[CENTER]The issue with this little tirade/temper tantrum is that...
It appears that anyone who does not completely and unquestioningly conform to some fan(atically) Apple ideal is automatically labeled a 'troll' in this forum, when it's really just case of those who have elected themselves the AI Elite being intollerant of opinions different than their own.
Some see issues with the manner in which both Apple and Adobe are behaving regarding Flash, and are posting opinions accordingly.
If the aforementioned opinions/posts are so troubling to you, then there's always the [IGNORE] option.[/CENTER]
your center text is stupid
a list of trolls was posted before
i wonder if these 6 or 7 trolls is not in fact just 2 people postingb under false flags
my proof !!!
finding 7 such stupid people at one time is impossible
giving the fact that each day these trolls start up fresh with their constant negative apple cracks shows me that they are clue less to what tech is and what an apple UE is . why even post here
a forum has give and take
many times someone has corrected me
i would respond with a kind thank you
a troll stands tight and rigid firm in their thought that apple will fail
One of the best comments on Apple Insider for some time. The general public who are the majority of people buying stuff don't care about how things work, as long as they do.
This is one of the stupidest comments on AppleInsider for a long time. Safari has no issue different from other desktop browsers regarding Flash. The problems reported for Flash are the same on every platform and each browser.
The Flash issue on mobile devices is something the general public will care about when the device stops running after an hour, or isn't operable because of the Flash resource hog.
It is possible to write an HTML 5 app which taxes the CPU - but it's clear that simple HTML5 canvas animation is GPU accelerated. In Flash, the rasterization is happening on the CPU.
For example: Checkout this little link on the iPhone. This is running super smooth on my 3G. Those sprite like elements moving behind the text are clearly being composited by the GPU.
It is possible to write an HTML 5 app which taxes the CPU - but it's clear that simple HTML5 canvas animation is GPU accelerated. In Flash, the rasterization is happening on the CPU.
For example: Checkout this little link on the iPhone. This is running super smooth on my 3G. Those sprite like elements moving behind the text are clearly being composited by the GPU.
I'd like to see MobileMe subscribers able to use Apple as a proxy server and have content re-rendered in formats suitable for the device we are using.
Objects could be compressed and formats changed, so my iPhone or iPad or Macbook Air can display them using technology optimised for the purpose. Data carriers could see reduced volumes and users could see quicker responses and longer battery life. And all this negotiation behind the scenes could stay behind the scenes.
Because it is a dying technology. Like he said, it is also a source of security issues, battery issues, and on top of it all it is a proprietary platform.
HTML5, on the other hand, is an open standard, and it is NOT a hog.
Jeez, why so many trolls?
Oh FFS grow up. On what planet is Flash a dying tech? It's EVERYWHERE. Have you ever used the internet? It's impossible to avoid without completely breaking most web pages.
And how exactly am I a 'troll' for stating the obvious? Stop throwing around insults and think before you type in future. Flash isn't going anywhere, and why should it, - it works well enough for the millions who use it every single day.
They should listen because the majority of the *new* computers on the new *mobile* platform they are going to be selling their wares on don't have Flash. Also, given that a website without Flash runs on *all* devices, whereas a Flash infested on only runs well on Windows desktops, it makes sense to get rid of it if you can. When you think about how trivial it is to remove Flash from most websites it's really a no brainer.
The suggested alternative to flash, HTML 5, only runs on Safari and Chrome. Now I like Chrome, it's my default browser, but it has a tiny, tiny market share. Most people use IE, like it or not, so any website which wants to make money can't use HTML5 as their primary development platform. That would mean duplicating work to support flash and HTML 5, which means more costs. Who will pay for that? Steve Jobs?
And as for flash being absent on mobile platforms, I though Adobe was making progress in getting flash on pretty much every smart phone before long, with one obvious exception of course.
I don't know why you're bothering to argue with these guys. Almost everyone on this thread is just a troll or a hater and you are arguing with three at once.
While I admire the effort, it's not likely that the likes of "Angus Young," "DaHarder," "extremeskater," "grking," "teckstud" or "TEKSTUD" will ever change their spots. These guys only come here when there is some sh*t to spread, or someone to laugh at. They are all exclusively concerned only with their own flapping gums and none of them could argue their way out of a paper bag. Most of them have no experience in the field, no knowledge of what they speak and certainly nothing new to say IMO.
Total waste of time arguing with those guys.
This sort of personal attack has no place on this forum.
The suggested alternative to flash, HTML 5, only runs on Safari and Chrome.
Your forgetting Firefox.
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as for flash being absent on mobile platforms, I though Adobe was making progress in getting flash on pretty much every smart phone before long, with one obvious exception of course.
Adobe claims it's making progress, and that could be true. But we will have to wait and see if the result is good enough and how long it will take them to finalize it.
For the record, Steve Jobs is not exactly a saint, but he is more than correct when it comes to adobe. They are one trick ponies remembering those good ol high school days when they got high in the garage, rather than making something new, or even fixing what they got.
Dunno - It looks more like they are (at least) thirteen trick ponies:
That's because WebKit is open source. That's how those "famous" 10-second Mac hacks in Vancouver happened. Four guys spent a full month scanning WebKit code, didn't tell Apple and made their splash at CanSecWest two years in a row.
(D'oh, must have repied to the wrong posting. My bad.)
Even if I agree with your assertions about the performance of iTunes on Windows (I don't, I think you are wildly exaggerating, and I think there is ample evidence out there that you are), there is a huge logical flaw in your assertion that iTunes on Windows is essentially the same situation as Flash on the web.
I agree. Flash on the 'web gives my setup no problems, while iTunes bogs it down completely. Not the same situation at all.
Really I think that wasn't a good comment at all, or are you failing to see that those same people are also the same people who have nothing to do with innovating technology?
The internet needs open standards, the rendering engines that can blaze through HTML5 will elevate the web browsing experience. Flash:RIP.
I am saying exactly that. Whilst I don't disagree with any of the comments here being critical of Flash (and as someone else said, I don't like my laptop sounding like a 747 on takoff when using a Flash site), the point I was making was that this is a forum of tech minded people who are in truth more likely to be bothered by things like that.
Most non-technical people I know, and that is most people I know, despite the fact I work in silicon valley, honesty wouldn't think to complain, as long as they can watch their YouTube videos etc.
For myself, I'd like to see Flash go, since open standards are better in the long term, but in the meantime, I'm glad I can watch YouTube videos somehow.
This is one of the stupidest comments on AppleInsider for a long time. Safari has no issue different from other desktop browsers regarding Flash. The problems reported for Flash are the same on every platform and each browser.
The Flash issue on mobile devices is something the general public will care about when the device stops running after an hour, or isn't operable because of the Flash resource hog.
So, PaulMJohnson, think before you write.
J.
I do think before I write. Is it perhaps possible that we can both have different opinions on something and that both of us equally have the right to differences?
Oh FFS grow up. On what planet is Flash a dying tech? It's EVERYWHERE. Have you ever used the internet? It's impossible to avoid without completely breaking most web pages.
And how exactly am I a 'troll' for stating the obvious? Stop throwing around insults and think before you type in future. Flash isn't going anywhere, and why should it, - it works well enough for the millions who use it every single day.
If Google's adoption of HTML5, the fact that Apple and Mozilla are dumping flash and - heck- even porn sites no longer require flash for video isn't proof that Flash is a dying technology, I don't know what is
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[CENTER]The issue with this little tirade/temper tantrum is that...
It appears that anyone who does not completely and unquestioningly conform to some fan(atically) Apple ideal is automatically labeled a 'troll' in this forum, when it's really just case of those who have elected themselves the AI Elite being intollerant of opinions different than their own.
Some see issues with the manner in which both Apple and Adobe are behaving regarding Flash, and are posting opinions accordingly.
If the aforementioned opinions/posts are so troubling to you, then there's always the [IGNORE] option.[/CENTER]
your center text is stupid
a list of trolls was posted before
i wonder if these 6 or 7 trolls is not in fact just 2 people postingb under false flags
my proof !!!
finding 7 such stupid people at one time is impossible
giving the fact that each day these trolls start up fresh with their constant negative apple cracks shows me that they are clue less to what tech is and what an apple UE is . why even post here
a forum has give and take
many times someone has corrected me
i would respond with a kind thank you
a troll stands tight and rigid firm in their thought that apple will fail
20 1/4's later they still feel that way
get a life or lives
One of the best comments on Apple Insider for some time. The general public who are the majority of people buying stuff don't care about how things work, as long as they do.
This is one of the stupidest comments on AppleInsider for a long time. Safari has no issue different from other desktop browsers regarding Flash. The problems reported for Flash are the same on every platform and each browser.
The Flash issue on mobile devices is something the general public will care about when the device stops running after an hour, or isn't operable because of the Flash resource hog.
So, PaulMJohnson, think before you write.
J.
I am pretty sure you are wrong.
It is possible to write an HTML 5 app which taxes the CPU - but it's clear that simple HTML5 canvas animation is GPU accelerated. In Flash, the rasterization is happening on the CPU.
For example: Checkout this little link on the iPhone. This is running super smooth on my 3G. Those sprite like elements moving behind the text are clearly being composited by the GPU.
http://webkit.org/blog-files/leaves/index.html
C.
dude you way under post here
? for you mr C
can my 2 gpu chips in my MBP 15' EVER both work at the same time ??
I am pretty sure you are wrong.
It is possible to write an HTML 5 app which taxes the CPU - but it's clear that simple HTML5 canvas animation is GPU accelerated. In Flash, the rasterization is happening on the CPU.
For example: Checkout this little link on the iPhone. This is running super smooth on my 3G. Those sprite like elements moving behind the text are clearly being composited by the GPU.
http://webkit.org/blog-files/leaves/index.html
C.
Your absolutely and completely right. And this point is exactly why Flash is 'old technology'.
J.
Objects could be compressed and formats changed, so my iPhone or iPad or Macbook Air can display them using technology optimised for the purpose. Data carriers could see reduced volumes and users could see quicker responses and longer battery life. And all this negotiation behind the scenes could stay behind the scenes.
Don't know if it's technically realistic, ...
Because it is a dying technology. Like he said, it is also a source of security issues, battery issues, and on top of it all it is a proprietary platform.
HTML5, on the other hand, is an open standard, and it is NOT a hog.
Jeez, why so many trolls?
Oh FFS grow up. On what planet is Flash a dying tech? It's EVERYWHERE. Have you ever used the internet? It's impossible to avoid without completely breaking most web pages.
And how exactly am I a 'troll' for stating the obvious? Stop throwing around insults and think before you type in future. Flash isn't going anywhere, and why should it, - it works well enough for the millions who use it every single day.
They should listen because the majority of the *new* computers on the new *mobile* platform they are going to be selling their wares on don't have Flash. Also, given that a website without Flash runs on *all* devices, whereas a Flash infested on only runs well on Windows desktops, it makes sense to get rid of it if you can. When you think about how trivial it is to remove Flash from most websites it's really a no brainer.
The suggested alternative to flash, HTML 5, only runs on Safari and Chrome. Now I like Chrome, it's my default browser, but it has a tiny, tiny market share. Most people use IE, like it or not, so any website which wants to make money can't use HTML5 as their primary development platform. That would mean duplicating work to support flash and HTML 5, which means more costs. Who will pay for that? Steve Jobs?
And as for flash being absent on mobile platforms, I though Adobe was making progress in getting flash on pretty much every smart phone before long, with one obvious exception of course.
How about this solution:
See? Nothing to worry about. You just go to the browser and mind your own business.
While you ask "Is adopting Flash that hard?"
I in return say "Is letting it go that hard?"
You forgot to insert the lego block .gif....
can my 2 gpu chips in my MBP 15' EVER both work at the same time ??[/QUOTE]
Yep, should work with openCL.
I don't know why you're bothering to argue with these guys. Almost everyone on this thread is just a troll or a hater and you are arguing with three at once.
While I admire the effort, it's not likely that the likes of "Angus Young," "DaHarder," "extremeskater," "grking," "teckstud" or "TEKSTUD" will ever change their spots. These guys only come here when there is some sh*t to spread, or someone to laugh at. They are all exclusively concerned only with their own flapping gums and none of them could argue their way out of a paper bag. Most of them have no experience in the field, no knowledge of what they speak and certainly nothing new to say IMO.
Total waste of time arguing with those guys.
This sort of personal attack has no place on this forum.
The suggested alternative to flash, HTML 5, only runs on Safari and Chrome.
Your forgetting Firefox.
as for flash being absent on mobile platforms, I though Adobe was making progress in getting flash on pretty much every smart phone before long, with one obvious exception of course.
Adobe claims it's making progress, and that could be true. But we will have to wait and see if the result is good enough and how long it will take them to finalize it.
J.
For the record, Steve Jobs is not exactly a saint, but he is more than correct when it comes to adobe. They are one trick ponies remembering those good ol high school days when they got high in the garage, rather than making something new, or even fixing what they got.
Dunno - It looks more like they are (at least) thirteen trick ponies:
* Acrobat
* Acrobat Connect Pro
* After Effects
* ColdFusion
* Design Premium
* Dreamweaver
* Flash
* Flex
* Illustrator
* InDesign
* LiveCycle Enterprise Suite
* Photoshop
* Photoshop Elements
.
.
That's because WebKit is open source. That's how those "famous" 10-second Mac hacks in Vancouver happened. Four guys spent a full month scanning WebKit code, didn't tell Apple and made their splash at CanSecWest two years in a row.
(D'oh, must have repied to the wrong posting. My bad.)
Even if I agree with your assertions about the performance of iTunes on Windows (I don't, I think you are wildly exaggerating, and I think there is ample evidence out there that you are), there is a huge logical flaw in your assertion that iTunes on Windows is essentially the same situation as Flash on the web.
I agree. Flash on the 'web gives my setup no problems, while iTunes bogs it down completely. Not the same situation at all.
I totally agree with you. Those guys are all in my ignore list. There's no point to waste time arguing with those trolls.
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Not Even Worth The Energy... [IGNORE]
Have A Nice Day[/CENTER]
Really I think that wasn't a good comment at all, or are you failing to see that those same people are also the same people who have nothing to do with innovating technology?
The internet needs open standards, the rendering engines that can blaze through HTML5 will elevate the web browsing experience. Flash:RIP.
I am saying exactly that. Whilst I don't disagree with any of the comments here being critical of Flash (and as someone else said, I don't like my laptop sounding like a 747 on takoff when using a Flash site), the point I was making was that this is a forum of tech minded people who are in truth more likely to be bothered by things like that.
Most non-technical people I know, and that is most people I know, despite the fact I work in silicon valley, honesty wouldn't think to complain, as long as they can watch their YouTube videos etc.
For myself, I'd like to see Flash go, since open standards are better in the long term, but in the meantime, I'm glad I can watch YouTube videos somehow.
This is one of the stupidest comments on AppleInsider for a long time. Safari has no issue different from other desktop browsers regarding Flash. The problems reported for Flash are the same on every platform and each browser.
The Flash issue on mobile devices is something the general public will care about when the device stops running after an hour, or isn't operable because of the Flash resource hog.
So, PaulMJohnson, think before you write.
J.
I do think before I write. Is it perhaps possible that we can both have different opinions on something and that both of us equally have the right to differences?
And if extremeskater would have written, "The rest of the world couldn't care less" it would even be correct!
As written, the rest of the world does care somewhat because they have to care somewhat in order to care less than they do now
Touche!
Oh FFS grow up. On what planet is Flash a dying tech? It's EVERYWHERE. Have you ever used the internet? It's impossible to avoid without completely breaking most web pages.
And how exactly am I a 'troll' for stating the obvious? Stop throwing around insults and think before you type in future. Flash isn't going anywhere, and why should it, - it works well enough for the millions who use it every single day.
If Google's adoption of HTML5, the fact that Apple and Mozilla are dumping flash and - heck- even porn sites no longer require flash for video isn't proof that Flash is a dying technology, I don't know what is
Because he doesn't want a 20 year old piece of shit software vampiring the battery life from the devices he's trying to promote?
20 year old technology? Are you talking about Flash? Sorry, there was no Flash in 1990. Smoke another one.