all of which 99% of the people on earth don't care about.
We'll see. My notoriously cloudy crystal ball says that when the typical unsophisticated user finds that their shiny new "best way to surf the 'web" will not access thier favorite websites, there will be disappointment.
Maybe they will be placated by "in the coming years, things will change" but I doubt it. Maybe they will be placated by "Your shiny new toy would barf all over itself on those websites", or by "Apple customers hate Adobe", or even "you are now a warrior for web standards", but again, I doubt it..
Seriously. These guys whining that their Macs don't work well should look towards practical solutions rather than looking to "kill" content that their machines are not capable of accessing.
Please people, stop making this a MAC vs PC war, when that has nothing to do with it.
Flash is buggy and hogs CPU on ALL systems, it has nothing to do with the platform. I've had Flash CPU issues on WindowsXP, Windows7, Ubuntu Linux and now on my MacBook Pro.
This is an Adobe FLASH problem across all systems, plain and simple. Load any website that uses Flash and then monitor your CPU usage. It has nothing to do with MAC vs PC, this nonsense has to stop, it's getting very old.
This is an Adobe FLASH problem across all systems, plain and simple. Load any website that uses Flash and then monitor your CPU usage. It has nothing to do with MAC vs PC, this nonsense has to stop, it's getting very old.
Thanks.
I've done that already, and posted screenshots of acceptably low CPU usage. Indeed, I've since played around with various flash sites, and at times, the CPU usage is surprisingly low.
I don't understand the problems Mac guys are having. IMO, it is no surprise that Macs are limited in their software choices. It has been that way since day one. This Adobe problem is a typical Mac situation.
I've done that already, and posted screenshots of acceptably low CPU usage. Indeed, I've since played around with various flash sites, and at times, the CPU usage is surprisingly low.
I don't understand the problems Mac guys are having. IMO, it is no surprise that Macs are limited in their software choices. It has been that way since day one. This Adobe problem is a typical Mac situation.
You must have a magic computer then. I work in the computer field and have been using PC's for the last 15 years and every computer I've looked at has major Flash CPU usage issues. As a note I only switched to Mac 2 months ago as well. This problem was plaguing me for a long time before I even used a Mac. There were never problems when Macromedia owned Flash. Like anything a major company buys something out and has no idea what they are doing with other peoples code and kludges things together inefficiently. Adobes idea of a solution is to implement video hardware acceleration support?! The things these Flash pages are creating were doable 10+ years ago on computers, so why are the requirements out the roof to play something like Pacman or cards in a browser?! Thankfully people like Steve Jobs and Google are standing up to this nonsense. Youtube is now providing Beta of HTML5 support as an alternative to Flash. Things are finally moving in the right direction as people are becoming frustrated and fed up.
If you are genuinely not having problems, then thats great for you, but what about everyone else out there that is? I promise you there are more people having problems than are speaking up as well. I've had people think they had a virus problem with their computer because it was so slow, and sure enough they were viewing a webpage with Flash.
Anyways my point is it's not a Mac issue, it's a problem with MANY Windows computers as well. If you aren't having CPU usage issues, then congratulations you are one of the lucky ones, go buy a lottery ticket because luck is on your side.
I posted the gross margins on the iPad in a different thread. I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin. It really isn't hard to find that kind of info. Apple has always been around teh 50% gross margin when it comes to most of its hardware sales.
Remember I am not jeaslous of anything we can compare Apple stock options anytime you want. Want to bet I can buy and sell you 10x over and still have change?
YOU posted the gross margins? YOUR calculations? Please, I implore you, post the link to your undeniable and very specific margins for a product that hasn't yet sold a single unit, hasn't been detailed in a quarterly report, and hasn't even been broken into actual component costs by iSuppi. I need a good laugh.
"You can buy and sell me 10x over" What kind of assinine comment is that? Maybe you could but statistically that is not likely. Note that I retired at 30yo, I support myself solely off dividends and I've invested in many tech stocks which don't pay (nor do I wish them to pay) dividends. The oddest part of your comment is how you'll claim some sort of victroy if I don't disclose my financial records to you.
I posted the gross margins on the iPad in a different thread. I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin. It really isn't hard to find that kind of info. Apple has always been around teh 50% gross margin when it comes to most of its hardware sales.
Remember I am not jeaslous of anything we can compare Apple stock options anytime you want. Want to bet I can buy and sell you 10x over and still have change?
Glad you replied Solipsism because never seem such a silly 'My BALLS are bigger then yours' comment for a long time until his now. "I bet I can buy you out by 10x" forgive if I laugh at the childish flexing of your muscles at solipsism
Btw this is the sentence I have an issue with 'I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin'
you are talking about projected figures and I provided a link to an article discussing the projectedmargins.
Steve has personal issues with Adobe that are standing in the way of sound business sense. Whether he likes it or not, Flash is a de facto standard which is everywhere on the internet and not just in the grotesquely overproduced videos he likes to complain about.
If Flash is a "CPU hog" as he claims, perhaps he should have used a better CPU...NVidia Tegra 2, for example.
Steve is the problem, not the solution. Steve lied. He promised "all the internet" with the iPhone. Without Flash you simply can not access "all the internet". Having lied about that, what makes you think he is not lying now?
Almost anyone could have specified a better bit of hardware for the iPad than Steve did. Sadly, there is no one at Apple who can or will tell him that he is out of touch with reality and the market.
They are...but I thought Flash10.1 required updates to the source as well as the player.
In other words, existing Flash content will not become h/w accelerated just by installing the Flash player. It requires the site creators to update the content too.
Some will simply not bother, and leave the existing assets in place. Such content will remain a CPU hog.
Some content creators will invest time to do this. And this will be beneficial to those mobile clients which take advantage of 10.1.
And some may prefer to invest time to offer HTML5 instead (or as well as).
What they chose to do will depend on how much priority they place in reaching these audiences.
Steve has personal issues with Adobe that are standing in the way of sound business sense. Whether he likes it or not, Flash is a de facto standard which is everywhere on the internet and not just in the grotesquely overproduced videos he likes to complain about.
If Flash is a "CPU hog" as he claims, perhaps he should have used a better CPU...NVidia Tegra 2, for example.
Steve is the problem, not the solution. Steve lied. He promised "all the internet" with the iPhone. Without Flash you simply can not access "all the internet". Having lied about that, what makes you think he is not lying now?
Almost anyone could have specified a better bit of hardware for the iPad than Steve did. Sadly, there is no one at Apple who can or will tell him that he is out of touch with reality and the market.
Why on earth should Flash even require a high end CPU?? have you not seen how trivial the functionality is within Flash?!?! I've seen programming from 10 years ago that does the same thing as Flash, the only difference is that it's within a web browser now. I guess we require quad core cpus to draw basic graphics and video... perhaps when the next generation of CPUS are released I will have enough processing power to play a card game in a browser.
Why on earth should Flash even require a high end CPU?? have you not seen how trivial the functionality is within Flash?!?! I've seen programming from 10 years ago that does the same thing as Flash, the only difference is that it's within a web browser now. I guess we require quad core cpus to draw basic graphics and video... perhaps when the next generation of CPUS are released I will have enough processing power to play a card game in a browser.
Perhaps you should ask Steve. He is the one saying that Flash is a CPU hog. Even so, I am talking about the Tegra 2 versus the A4, not some high end processor such as is found in a Mac Pro. By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology, not today's and certainly not tomorrow's. One article, among many, indicates that the A4 appears to be merely another variant similar to the Tegra (1) or Snapdragon chips.
By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology
I love these posts! Do you work for iSuppli, because I can't imagine too many people in the world have the ability to draw such conclusion before the product can even be tore down or tested.
I have to disagree. Safari jumps to nearly 100% on G5 when that page runs. The CPU is doing the work, not the GPU. It doesn't work at all on Firefox 3.6.
Perhaps you should ask Steve. He is the one saying that Flash is a CPU hog. Even so, I am talking about the Tegra 2 versus the A4, not some high end processor such as is found in a Mac Pro. By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology, not today's and certainly not tomorrow's. One article, among many, indicates that the A4 appears to be merely another variant similar to the Tegra (1) or Snapdragon chips.
Actually I'm also saying it's a CPU hog so I don't need to ask Steve. Its Flash that is the problem, people can point fingers and curse about Apple and Steve Jobs all they want. At the end of the day, Flash is an awful product and runs miserably on Macs AND PCs. Actually Adobe even admitted it's not running well on both platforms and they are working on it. It's pointless arguing with people on here, they are so over opinionated and anti-Apple that they don't see the bigger picture. I use Windows and Macs, I'm not on either side and it's annoying seeing how people have to be so MAC vs PC all the time. Both systems have good and bad points. I simply want a reasonable online experience, and Flash is ruining it, these are the facts.
Just an off the shelf, cheaper-than-the-macbook Dell.
If you aren't a Mac user or an Apple promoter then just leave. We don't need your kind here, adding negative non-purposeful remarks. Take you DELL and leave.
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all of which 99% of the people on earth don't care about.
We'll see. My notoriously cloudy crystal ball says that when the typical unsophisticated user finds that their shiny new "best way to surf the 'web" will not access thier favorite websites, there will be disappointment.
Maybe they will be placated by "in the coming years, things will change" but I doubt it. Maybe they will be placated by "Your shiny new toy would barf all over itself on those websites", or by "Apple customers hate Adobe", or even "you are now a warrior for web standards", but again, I doubt it..
Seriously. These guys whining that their Macs don't work well should look towards practical solutions rather than looking to "kill" content that their machines are not capable of accessing.
Please people, stop making this a MAC vs PC war, when that has nothing to do with it.
Flash is buggy and hogs CPU on ALL systems, it has nothing to do with the platform. I've had Flash CPU issues on WindowsXP, Windows7, Ubuntu Linux and now on my MacBook Pro.
This is an Adobe FLASH problem across all systems, plain and simple. Load any website that uses Flash and then monitor your CPU usage. It has nothing to do with MAC vs PC, this nonsense has to stop, it's getting very old.
Thanks.
This is an Adobe FLASH problem across all systems, plain and simple. Load any website that uses Flash and then monitor your CPU usage. It has nothing to do with MAC vs PC, this nonsense has to stop, it's getting very old.
Thanks.
I've done that already, and posted screenshots of acceptably low CPU usage. Indeed, I've since played around with various flash sites, and at times, the CPU usage is surprisingly low.
I don't understand the problems Mac guys are having. IMO, it is no surprise that Macs are limited in their software choices. It has been that way since day one. This Adobe problem is a typical Mac situation.
I've done that already, and posted screenshots of acceptably low CPU usage. Indeed, I've since played around with various flash sites, and at times, the CPU usage is surprisingly low.
I don't understand the problems Mac guys are having. IMO, it is no surprise that Macs are limited in their software choices. It has been that way since day one. This Adobe problem is a typical Mac situation.
You must have a magic computer then. I work in the computer field and have been using PC's for the last 15 years and every computer I've looked at has major Flash CPU usage issues. As a note I only switched to Mac 2 months ago as well. This problem was plaguing me for a long time before I even used a Mac. There were never problems when Macromedia owned Flash. Like anything a major company buys something out and has no idea what they are doing with other peoples code and kludges things together inefficiently. Adobes idea of a solution is to implement video hardware acceleration support?! The things these Flash pages are creating were doable 10+ years ago on computers, so why are the requirements out the roof to play something like Pacman or cards in a browser?! Thankfully people like Steve Jobs and Google are standing up to this nonsense. Youtube is now providing Beta of HTML5 support as an alternative to Flash. Things are finally moving in the right direction as people are becoming frustrated and fed up.
If you are genuinely not having problems, then thats great for you, but what about everyone else out there that is? I promise you there are more people having problems than are speaking up as well. I've had people think they had a virus problem with their computer because it was so slow, and sure enough they were viewing a webpage with Flash.
Anyways my point is it's not a Mac issue, it's a problem with MANY Windows computers as well. If you aren't having CPU usage issues, then congratulations you are one of the lucky ones, go buy a lottery ticket because luck is on your side.
I posted the gross margins on the iPad in a different thread. I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin. It really isn't hard to find that kind of info. Apple has always been around teh 50% gross margin when it comes to most of its hardware sales.
Remember I am not jeaslous of anything we can compare Apple stock options anytime you want. Want to bet I can buy and sell you 10x over and still have change?
YOU posted the gross margins? YOUR calculations? Please, I implore you, post the link to your undeniable and very specific margins for a product that hasn't yet sold a single unit, hasn't been detailed in a quarterly report, and hasn't even been broken into actual component costs by iSuppi. I need a good laugh.
"You can buy and sell me 10x over" What kind of assinine comment is that? Maybe you could but statistically that is not likely. Note that I retired at 30yo, I support myself solely off dividends and I've invested in many tech stocks which don't pay (nor do I wish them to pay) dividends. The oddest part of your comment is how you'll claim some sort of victroy if I don't disclose my financial records to you.
PS: My dad can beat up your dad.
I posted the gross margins on the iPad in a different thread. I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin. It really isn't hard to find that kind of info. Apple has always been around teh 50% gross margin when it comes to most of its hardware sales.
Remember I am not jeaslous of anything we can compare Apple stock options anytime you want. Want to bet I can buy and sell you 10x over and still have change?
Glad you replied Solipsism because never seem such a silly 'My BALLS are bigger then yours' comment for a long time until his now. "I bet I can buy you out by 10x" forgive if I laugh at the childish flexing of your muscles at solipsism
Btw this is the sentence I have an issue with 'I believe the 32GB version without 3G had a 51% gross margin'
you are talking about projected figures and I provided a link to an article discussing the projectedmargins.
http://hothardware.com/News/The-iPad...nd-Advertising
P.S. I bet my pencil is longer than yours :lol
You must have a magic computer then.
Nope. Unlike the iPad, it is not magical.
Just an off the shelf, cheaper-than-the-macbook Dell.
If Flash is a "CPU hog" as he claims, perhaps he should have used a better CPU...NVidia Tegra 2, for example.
Steve is the problem, not the solution. Steve lied. He promised "all the internet" with the iPhone. Without Flash you simply can not access "all the internet". Having lied about that, what makes you think he is not lying now?
Almost anyone could have specified a better bit of hardware for the iPad than Steve did. Sadly, there is no one at Apple who can or will tell him that he is out of touch with reality and the market.
They are switching Flash to the GPU in 10.1
They are...but I thought Flash10.1 required updates to the source as well as the player.
In other words, existing Flash content will not become h/w accelerated just by installing the Flash player. It requires the site creators to update the content too.
Some will simply not bother, and leave the existing assets in place. Such content will remain a CPU hog.
Some content creators will invest time to do this. And this will be beneficial to those mobile clients which take advantage of 10.1.
And some may prefer to invest time to offer HTML5 instead (or as well as).
What they chose to do will depend on how much priority they place in reaching these audiences.
C.
Steve has personal issues with Adobe that are standing in the way of sound business sense. Whether he likes it or not, Flash is a de facto standard which is everywhere on the internet and not just in the grotesquely overproduced videos he likes to complain about.
If Flash is a "CPU hog" as he claims, perhaps he should have used a better CPU...NVidia Tegra 2, for example.
Steve is the problem, not the solution. Steve lied. He promised "all the internet" with the iPhone. Without Flash you simply can not access "all the internet". Having lied about that, what makes you think he is not lying now?
Almost anyone could have specified a better bit of hardware for the iPad than Steve did. Sadly, there is no one at Apple who can or will tell him that he is out of touch with reality and the market.
Why on earth should Flash even require a high end CPU?? have you not seen how trivial the functionality is within Flash?!?! I've seen programming from 10 years ago that does the same thing as Flash, the only difference is that it's within a web browser now. I guess we require quad core cpus to draw basic graphics and video... perhaps when the next generation of CPUS are released I will have enough processing power to play a card game in a browser.
Why on earth should Flash even require a high end CPU?? have you not seen how trivial the functionality is within Flash?!?! I've seen programming from 10 years ago that does the same thing as Flash, the only difference is that it's within a web browser now. I guess we require quad core cpus to draw basic graphics and video... perhaps when the next generation of CPUS are released I will have enough processing power to play a card game in a browser.
Perhaps you should ask Steve. He is the one saying that Flash is a CPU hog. Even so, I am talking about the Tegra 2 versus the A4, not some high end processor such as is found in a Mac Pro. By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology, not today's and certainly not tomorrow's. One article, among many, indicates that the A4 appears to be merely another variant similar to the Tegra (1) or Snapdragon chips.
By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology
I love these posts! Do you work for iSuppli, because I can't imagine too many people in the world have the ability to draw such conclusion before the product can even be tore down or tested.
I have to disagree. Safari jumps to nearly 100% on G5 when that page runs. The CPU is doing the work, not the GPU. It doesn't work at all on Firefox 3.6.
Interesting, on my old Mac Pro, Safari is 9.2%
C.
Interesting, on my old Mac Pro, Safari is 9.2%
C.
I only got about 13% on my C2D.
these Flash advocates on here are probably the same people who argue when Apple doesn't use open standards.
Not at all. They are people who want "all the internet" as Steve promised. Steve lied. Without Flash you can not access "all the internet".
When or if some other standard takes over the internet they will still want "all the internet."
Not at all. They are people who want "all the internet" as Steve promised. Steve lied. Without Flash you can not access "all the internet".
When or if some other standard takes over the internet they will still want "all the internet."
Without Real PLayer I can't access all the internet
Without Active Server Pages I can't access all the internet
Without every little codec or plug i can't access all the internet
Perhaps you need to change you revise your definition or what the internet is.
Perhaps you should ask Steve. He is the one saying that Flash is a CPU hog. Even so, I am talking about the Tegra 2 versus the A4, not some high end processor such as is found in a Mac Pro. By all accounts, the A4 SoC is yesterday's technology, not today's and certainly not tomorrow's. One article, among many, indicates that the A4 appears to be merely another variant similar to the Tegra (1) or Snapdragon chips.
Actually I'm also saying it's a CPU hog so I don't need to ask Steve. Its Flash that is the problem, people can point fingers and curse about Apple and Steve Jobs all they want. At the end of the day, Flash is an awful product and runs miserably on Macs AND PCs. Actually Adobe even admitted it's not running well on both platforms and they are working on it. It's pointless arguing with people on here, they are so over opinionated and anti-Apple that they don't see the bigger picture. I use Windows and Macs, I'm not on either side and it's annoying seeing how people have to be so MAC vs PC all the time. Both systems have good and bad points. I simply want a reasonable online experience, and Flash is ruining it, these are the facts.
Without Real PLayer I can't access all the internet
Without Active Server Pages I can't access all the internet
Without every little codec or plug i can't access all the internet
Perhaps you need to change you revise your definition or what the internet is.
What the heck? Real Player? You still use that? What are you looking at porn? LOL
Real Player is so out dated and unneeded.
Nope. Unlike the iPad, it is not magical.
Just an off the shelf, cheaper-than-the-macbook Dell.
If you aren't a Mac user or an Apple promoter then just leave. We don't need your kind here, adding negative non-purposeful remarks. Take you DELL and leave.