Sure, off the top of my head: Microsoft just lost a patent lawsuit concerning Word. That means the court found it used the patented technology without permission. That is called stealing. Microsoft lost a patent lawsuit concerning DOS. Microsoft was sued by ELOS over a browser plug-in lawsuit, and lost that. It was further sued by Burst and decided to pay Burst something like a 150 million for the infraction. Further, Microsoft paid Apple and undisclosed sum for an ongoing lawsuit Apple had against Microsoft. It also lost a lawsuit to a company called Uniloc where it had to pay over 300 million. Then there is the 750 million dollars payout Microsoft made to AOL's Netscape for using it's Windows Monopoly to force hardware manufacturers to not use Netscape or else face higher fees to license Windows. Then there is the famous testimony where Apple testified to the government that Microsoft threaten Apple it'd kill Mac support of Office if Apple didn't kill Quicktime on Windows. I am sure there are many more examples.
My point, however, is not that Microsoft doesn't have legitimate products it sells, but that it really hasn't done very much innovation where people can say the industry is a better place because of it. In fact the opposite can argued: by it's aggressive practices it often killed innovation.
For instance, DOS put Microsoft on the map. Yet, it bought that product for a guy for something like $50, 000 and turned around and made a hundred and fifty million from IBM. Not super innovative. IBM was going to bring a DOS like operating system to market with or without Microsoft. Word gained dominance from emulating Word Perfect and not by out innovating Corel, by by using it's ownership of Windows to displace Word Perfect as the default word processor on IBM based PCs. Up until a few years ago, Word Perfect was a better word processor. I still miss it's command line interface option.
Moreover, Microsoft often takes ideas knowing companies will not have the money to fight it in a long drawn out IP suit.
Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
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As people here liked to tell me, it doesn't matter if they have brought it, as it is now theirs. As for borrowing, they must have an agreement or licence to use it, and for stealing, can you provide some proof here.
Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
Much like Apple bought the guys who created Cover Flow which they show off so much. They didn't make that. Or like how Apple bought the foundation for the OS X operating system from NeXT, or the multi-touch technology company apple bought to use their tech in the iPhone. Do you think Apple created the visualizer in iTunes, nope they bought that company out too.
It goes both ways, in fact all big companies do this even google. It help bring good technology out to the masses.
Also the WAT was released last week. So obviously not a big uproar as you're predicting cause it would've happened by now. But since it has to be installed manually no one's going to install it and even then the hackers have already made a work around for it.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
The bulk of their profits come from Windows, Servers, Developer tools and Office. The rest is a pathetic excuse for a product.
That's just such a typical fan-boy, ill informed statement. That's how companies work, established businesses (cash generators) funding new developments they want to invest in and grow in the future.
Apple are no different, the fact is that that the bulk of Apple's profits also comes from only 3 lines of business (Mac HW, iPod, and iPhone, and they run many areas at or close to break even (to help drive hardware sales).. a good example being the App Store itself.
Google is even less diversified, with only one profitable business today - Advertising
The bias in these pages is I suppose somewhat understandable, but it's sad when people simply spout invective and ill informed nonsense, rather than arguing a sensible case.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
There are a lot more WPCs than Macs--nobody has suggested anything differently. Windows is used more in business so a lot of people using laptops will most likely buy something that runs Windows. Also there are a lot of gamers out there--more PC games that Mac--not counting iPhone and iPod Touch apps.
Windows 7 sales would be greater since those running XP and Vista are upgrading to W7. Also sales for WPC's have always been higher that Macs.
The fact that W7 comes on a majority of WPCs does not necessarily mean that's what people want. I run XP on my MBP because Office 2007 was suppose to be better than Office 2008 for the Mac--not Apples fault--seems like MS always gave the Mac users something lesser than the PC version of Office. Been reading that Office 2011 is close to the WPC version. For now I'll stay with XP and Fusion since -- if it ain't broke why fix it--W7 installation might be a b*tch anyways.
PC gaming isn't what it used to be, compared to console gaming, it's nothing it's as small as mac is to windows.
So gaming represents a very small market (committed but small (sound familiar)).
If people didn't want windows 7 then they wouldn't buy a machine with it. They aren't forced to but windows 7. Everyone on here bought a mac that weren't forced to get windows. Buying a machine without windows is a easy as going to store.apple.com or going to a local Apple store at the big mall in town. The same place these people got their iPods which everyone buys.
Most people don't upgrade Windows OS they choose to get it with a new PC though Windows 7 upgrade rates have been much higher than Vista's was.
Nokia is their biggest customer, and employs developers working on both Symbian and MeeGo.
And I think you will find there are Asian companies that employ people that also develop Symbian, doesn't mean it belongs to them either, and IBM, Novell, Intel etc develop parts of Linux, doesn't mean it belongs to them. S40 would be the only OS that Nokia really "owns" now.
2nd WP7 does not run WinCe 7 since it doesn't exist, it runs the latest release which is WinCE 6 the same as the ZuneHD. I'm almost 100% positive that WP7 apps will run on the ZuneHD. The phone uses the Zune software to sync you'll get the apps, music from the same store, they run the same OS underneath and have the same interface and browser and both use XNA for games. They're gonna work together.
Also FYI, Windows 7 has sold 90 million copies in 4 months. That's more than all the iPhones/iPod touches combined (yes I know different markets). That's more than all the Macs on the market today (which is around 60 million). So you can say Windows sucks but 90 million have chosen to use Windows 7 over OS X. They had a choice and chose not to get a Mac.
Oh and Mac usage share has dropped month over month -except for one month-since Windows 7 came out and businesses haven't even started to buy Windows 7, yet this is all due to customer demand. Next month OS X will be back under 5% and MS is predicing by the end of this year there will 300 million copies of Windows 7 sold. Each time they will be choosing Windows 7 over OS X.
Also....are you ready to shit your pants!?!?!? You're gonna love this one cause this is the thing that you Apple lovers love to bring up all the time! According to Bloomberg due to everyone's love of Windows 7, Microsoft has a HIGHER customer satisfaction rating than Apple! Oddly enough I didn't see this reported on AI, wonder why? mind=blown?
Finally this Pink phone isn't supposed to be a smart phone, it's a "feature" phone or dummy phone. Not everyone wants a smartphone, this product is more for those. I wouldn't be surprised if these were like those free phones that Verizon gives you if you sign up for a contract.
PS I'll probably be buying a mac when the new MBPs come out. except I'll use it mainly for Windows 7
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So how's the marketshare of the Zune and WinMob doing?
Microsoft was sued by ELOS over a browser plug-in lawsuit, and lost that.
Do you mean Eolas? And would that be the same Eolas that is currently sueing Apple? And a lawsuit that MS should have won.
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It was further sued by Burst and decided to pay Burst something like a 150 million for the infraction. Further, Microsoft paid Apple and undisclosed sum for an ongoing lawsuit Apple had against Microsoft.
The "payout" to Apple was by negotiations, and not really by the lawsuit.
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It also lost a lawsuit to a company called Uniloc where it had to pay over 300 million. Then there is the 750 million dollars payout Microsoft made to AOL's Netscape for using it's Windows Monopoly to force hardware manufacturers to not use Netscape or else face higher fees to license Windows.
That was one I wished MS didn't lose, the reason Netscape lost, was Netscape was crap, IE 3 was much better than navigator, so was 4. Now IE 5+ was a different matter.
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Then there is the famous testimony where Apple testified to the government that Microsoft threaten Apple it'd kill Mac support of Office if Apple didn't kill Quicktime on Windows. I am sure there are many more examples.
That is called a competive advantage, Apple is the big loser if MS dropped Office for the Mac, sure MS make a little money from it, but in the long run it isn't their bead and butter.
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My point, however, is not that Microsoft doesn't have legitimate products it sells, but that it really hasn't done very much innovation where people can say the industry is a better place because of it. In fact the opposite can argued: by it's aggressive practices it often killed innovation.
Sure there is a couple of cases where MS has been sued, but will you start calling Apple a thief if they lose the number of lawsuits against them right now?
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For instance, DOS put Microsoft on the map. Yet, it bought that product for a guy for something like $50, 000 and turned around and made a hundred and fifty million from IBM. Not super innovative. IBM was going to bring a DOS like operating system to market with or without Microsoft. Word gained dominance from emulating Word Perfect and not by out innovating Corel, by by using it's ownership of Windows to displace Word Perfect as the default word processor on IBM based PCs. Up until a few years ago, Word Perfect was a better word processor. I still miss it's command line interface option.
You are aware that several of Apples prominent products were originally purchased from other companies, just like MS, Apple put their name on them, and like MS, Apple has made changes to those programs. Yes IBM would have come up with something else, they didn't, they accepted the proposal from MS. MS was in the right place at the right time, Seaatle Software (or whatever their name was) wasn't force to sellout, they accepted the terms they were presented with, shouldn't your complaint be with them rather than MS, or are you jealous that MS did so well?
The first version of Word I used was 5 for DOS, and I still prefer tha version to Word Perfect, I hated being forced to use WP at Uni, if you are talking about a few years ago being 20, then maybe.
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Moreover, Microsoft often takes ideas knowing companies will not have the money to fight it in a long drawn out IP suit.
So you are saying that every idea Apple has, they came up with it first?
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Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
Again, are you saying Apple has never done this, are you saying all Apples ideas are original and have never been implemented in any form by another company?
And that is a big call to claim the industry is in a worse position due to MS existing, a lot of people, and a lot of companies have done very well due to MS existing.
Yeah, it's amazing that they have been screwing up on all fronts for so long and no one has even brought up the subject of firing Balmer yet. A great many better CEO's have been let go sooner over performance that wasn't half as bad.
Well, their last quarter was best ever (according to the article on Anandtech.com) and Windows 7 is selling better than any previous Windows OS in the same timeframe... so that is very hard to be considered bad results.
I believe Vista was half-cooked before Balmer took over, so that cannot be considered his burden only. On server side, Server 2008 and 2008R2, Hyper-V... are all considered good products.
Much like Apple bought the guys who created Cover Flow which they show off so much. They didn't make that. Or like how Apple bought the foundation for the OS X operating system from NeXT, or the multi-touch technology company apple bought to use their tech in the iPhone. Do you think Apple created the visualizer in iTunes, nope they bought that company out too.
It goes both ways, in fact all big companies do this even google. It help bring good technology out to the masses.
Also the WAT was released last week. So obviously not a big uproar as you're predicting cause it would've happened by now. But since it has to be installed manually no one's going to install it and even then the hackers have already made a work around for it.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
Not to mention that Apple is also often being called to court for various patent infringements, number of them being mentioned here on AI... that is what all big businesses do. If they get caught, they pay royalties... if they don't, they don't.
Well, their last quarter was best ever (according to the article on Anandtech.com) and Windows 7 is selling better than any previous Windows OS in the same timeframe... so that is very hard to be considered bad results.
I believe Vista was half-cooked before Balmer took over, so that cannot be considered his burden only. On server side, Server 2008 and 2008R2, Hyper-V... are all considered good products.
And Windows is their 3rd most profitable product category. Regardless of how we feel about MS they are powerful and profitable.
Nice theory, at the time that quote was filmed, Jobs was not working at Apple, a fact which is often overlooked by Windows fanboys who like latching on to things and taking them out of context.
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Not to mention that Apple is also often being called to court for various patent infringements, number of them being mentioned here on AI... that is what all big businesses do. If they get caught, they pay royalties... if they don't, they don't.
Um he's clearly talking about Apple employees and the Macintosh in the clip. The clip is from a PBS show that was a look back at the early days of computing of the late 70s and 80s. It's not about NeXT. Nice try, though.
I swear I should be on this forum more often just to correct the BS that many on here spew. The inaccuracies in these articles and threads are amazing. It's like AI and it's readers is to Apple what Fox News is to the Republican party, just a propaganda machine.
Well there's not much to go on from that short YouTube clip trimmed by fanboys.
The original quote is attributed to Picasso but there is no evidence of that, it was likely derived from an earlier quote by T. S. Elliott in 1923:-
“One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Eliot, T.S., “Philip Massinger,” The Sacred Wood, New York: Bartleby.com, 2000.
btw regarding the patch I referred to earlier, Tuesday March 9, 11am EST is when Microsoft will release the security update, while we are on the subject of inaccuracies, it wasn't released "last week".
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Um he's clearly talking about Apple employees and the Macintosh in the clip. The clip is from a PBS show that was a look back at the early days of computing of the late 70s and 80s. It's not about NeXT. Nice try, though.
I swear I should be on this forum more often just to correct the BS that many on here spew. The inaccuracies in these articles and threads are amazing. It's like AI and it's readers is to Apple what Fox News is to the Republican party, just a propaganda machine.
They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
And in those '5 years' the Macintosh has gone from a 5 billion a year business to a 14 billion a year business. What a waste of money!
PS. The market share figures you linked to also show Windows (all flavours) dropping... despite the success of Windows 7.
Well there's not much to go on from that short YouTube clip trimmed by fanboys.
The original quote is attributed to Picasso but there is no evidence of that, it was likely derived from an earlier quote by T. S. Elliott in 1923:-
“One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Eliot, T.S., “Philip Massinger,” The Sacred Wood, New York: Bartleby.com, 2000.
btw regarding the patch I referred to earlier, Tuesday March 9, 11am EST is when Microsoft will release the security update, while we are on the subject of inaccuracies, it wasn't released "last week".
You can see from the related videos that that interview was for the PBS documentary.
Please stop. The patch that was supposed to stop all the exploits that pirates were using came out 2/23/2010 it's called Windows Activation Technology. Here's what it is on my own PC since I haven't installed it since as I mention it isn't installed by default, even though it's listed as an "important" update it's unchecked by default and only checked updates are installed. So you have to manually install it
Here the KB article if you think I photoshoped the picture. What you link to was about the upcoming patch tuesday which as is protocol doesn't give out much info.
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I'm surprised the survey equipment didn't explode, purely as a response to the relief being rid of Vista
And what are these issues you talking about with Vista? I have no more issues with Vista than I do with SL or Leopard
Symbian doesn't belong to Nokia, it is owned by the Symbian Foundation, and MeeGo is hosted by the Linux Foundtion (I don't know who really owns it)
Nokia is their biggest customer, and employs developers working on both Symbian and MeeGo.
My point, however, is not that Microsoft doesn't have legitimate products it sells, but that it really hasn't done very much innovation where people can say the industry is a better place because of it. In fact the opposite can argued: by it's aggressive practices it often killed innovation.
For instance, DOS put Microsoft on the map. Yet, it bought that product for a guy for something like $50, 000 and turned around and made a hundred and fifty million from IBM. Not super innovative. IBM was going to bring a DOS like operating system to market with or without Microsoft. Word gained dominance from emulating Word Perfect and not by out innovating Corel, by by using it's ownership of Windows to displace Word Perfect as the default word processor on IBM based PCs. Up until a few years ago, Word Perfect was a better word processor. I still miss it's command line interface option.
Moreover, Microsoft often takes ideas knowing companies will not have the money to fight it in a long drawn out IP suit.
Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
As people here liked to tell me, it doesn't matter if they have brought it, as it is now theirs. As for borrowing, they must have an agreement or licence to use it, and for stealing, can you provide some proof here.
Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
Much like Apple bought the guys who created Cover Flow which they show off so much. They didn't make that. Or like how Apple bought the foundation for the OS X operating system from NeXT, or the multi-touch technology company apple bought to use their tech in the iPhone. Do you think Apple created the visualizer in iTunes, nope they bought that company out too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Steve Jobs admits he steals from others.^
It goes both ways, in fact all big companies do this even google. It help bring good technology out to the masses.
Also the WAT was released last week. So obviously not a big uproar as you're predicting cause it would've happened by now. But since it has to be installed manually no one's going to install it and even then the hackers have already made a work around for it.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
The bulk of their profits come from Windows, Servers, Developer tools and Office. The rest is a pathetic excuse for a product.
That's just such a typical fan-boy, ill informed statement. That's how companies work, established businesses (cash generators) funding new developments they want to invest in and grow in the future.
Apple are no different, the fact is that that the bulk of Apple's profits also comes from only 3 lines of business (Mac HW, iPod, and iPhone, and they run many areas at or close to break even (to help drive hardware sales).. a good example being the App Store itself.
Google is even less diversified, with only one profitable business today - Advertising
The bias in these pages is I suppose somewhat understandable, but it's sad when people simply spout invective and ill informed nonsense, rather than arguing a sensible case.
PS I'll probably be buying a mac when the new MBPs come out. except I'll use it mainly for Windows 7
At least Dell and HP will lose a sale.
For some people, the only thing more fun than COD or Halo is registry cleaning and OS re-installations.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
There are a lot more WPCs than Macs--nobody has suggested anything differently. Windows is used more in business so a lot of people using laptops will most likely buy something that runs Windows. Also there are a lot of gamers out there--more PC games that Mac--not counting iPhone and iPod Touch apps.
Windows 7 sales would be greater since those running XP and Vista are upgrading to W7. Also sales for WPC's have always been higher that Macs.
The fact that W7 comes on a majority of WPCs does not necessarily mean that's what people want. I run XP on my MBP because Office 2007 was suppose to be better than Office 2008 for the Mac--not Apples fault--seems like MS always gave the Mac users something lesser than the PC version of Office. Been reading that Office 2011 is close to the WPC version. For now I'll stay with XP and Fusion since -- if it ain't broke why fix it--W7 installation might be a b*tch anyways.
So gaming represents a very small market (committed but small (sound familiar)).
If people didn't want windows 7 then they wouldn't buy a machine with it. They aren't forced to but windows 7. Everyone on here bought a mac that weren't forced to get windows. Buying a machine without windows is a easy as going to store.apple.com or going to a local Apple store at the big mall in town. The same place these people got their iPods which everyone buys.
Most people don't upgrade Windows OS they choose to get it with a new PC though Windows 7 upgrade rates have been much higher than Vista's was.
Nokia is their biggest customer, and employs developers working on both Symbian and MeeGo.
And I think you will find there are Asian companies that employ people that also develop Symbian, doesn't mean it belongs to them either, and IBM, Novell, Intel etc develop parts of Linux, doesn't mean it belongs to them. S40 would be the only OS that Nokia really "owns" now.
There's a lot of misinformation in this article. First off most if not all of the data was restored from the outage.
http://gizmodo.com/5382208/most-if-n...data-recovered
2nd WP7 does not run WinCe 7 since it doesn't exist, it runs the latest release which is WinCE 6 the same as the ZuneHD. I'm almost 100% positive that WP7 apps will run on the ZuneHD. The phone uses the Zune software to sync you'll get the apps, music from the same store, they run the same OS underneath and have the same interface and browser and both use XNA for games. They're gonna work together.
Also FYI, Windows 7 has sold 90 million copies in 4 months. That's more than all the iPhones/iPod touches combined (yes I know different markets). That's more than all the Macs on the market today (which is around 60 million). So you can say Windows sucks but 90 million have chosen to use Windows 7 over OS X. They had a choice and chose not to get a Mac.
Oh and Mac usage share has dropped month over month -except for one month-since Windows 7 came out and businesses haven't even started to buy Windows 7, yet this is all due to customer demand. Next month OS X will be back under 5% and MS is predicing by the end of this year there will 300 million copies of Windows 7 sold. Each time they will be choosing Windows 7 over OS X.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-mar...e.aspx?qprid=9
http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-mar....aspx?qprid=11
Also....are you ready to shit your pants!?!?!? You're gonna love this one cause this is the thing that you Apple lovers love to bring up all the time! According to Bloomberg due to everyone's love of Windows 7, Microsoft has a HIGHER customer satisfaction rating than Apple! Oddly enough I didn't see this reported on AI, wonder why? mind=blown?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aajIjMcEp.E4
Finally this Pink phone isn't supposed to be a smart phone, it's a "feature" phone or dummy phone. Not everyone wants a smartphone, this product is more for those. I wouldn't be surprised if these were like those free phones that Verizon gives you if you sign up for a contract.
PS I'll probably be buying a mac when the new MBPs come out. except I'll use it mainly for Windows 7
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So how's the marketshare of the Zune and WinMob doing?
Microsoft was sued by ELOS over a browser plug-in lawsuit, and lost that.
Do you mean Eolas? And would that be the same Eolas that is currently sueing Apple? And a lawsuit that MS should have won.
It was further sued by Burst and decided to pay Burst something like a 150 million for the infraction. Further, Microsoft paid Apple and undisclosed sum for an ongoing lawsuit Apple had against Microsoft.
The "payout" to Apple was by negotiations, and not really by the lawsuit.
It also lost a lawsuit to a company called Uniloc where it had to pay over 300 million. Then there is the 750 million dollars payout Microsoft made to AOL's Netscape for using it's Windows Monopoly to force hardware manufacturers to not use Netscape or else face higher fees to license Windows.
That was one I wished MS didn't lose, the reason Netscape lost, was Netscape was crap, IE 3 was much better than navigator, so was 4. Now IE 5+ was a different matter.
Then there is the famous testimony where Apple testified to the government that Microsoft threaten Apple it'd kill Mac support of Office if Apple didn't kill Quicktime on Windows. I am sure there are many more examples.
That is called a competive advantage, Apple is the big loser if MS dropped Office for the Mac, sure MS make a little money from it, but in the long run it isn't their bead and butter.
My point, however, is not that Microsoft doesn't have legitimate products it sells, but that it really hasn't done very much innovation where people can say the industry is a better place because of it. In fact the opposite can argued: by it's aggressive practices it often killed innovation.
Sure there is a couple of cases where MS has been sued, but will you start calling Apple a thief if they lose the number of lawsuits against them right now?
For instance, DOS put Microsoft on the map. Yet, it bought that product for a guy for something like $50, 000 and turned around and made a hundred and fifty million from IBM. Not super innovative. IBM was going to bring a DOS like operating system to market with or without Microsoft. Word gained dominance from emulating Word Perfect and not by out innovating Corel, by by using it's ownership of Windows to displace Word Perfect as the default word processor on IBM based PCs. Up until a few years ago, Word Perfect was a better word processor. I still miss it's command line interface option.
You are aware that several of Apples prominent products were originally purchased from other companies, just like MS, Apple put their name on them, and like MS, Apple has made changes to those programs. Yes IBM would have come up with something else, they didn't, they accepted the proposal from MS. MS was in the right place at the right time, Seaatle Software (or whatever their name was) wasn't force to sellout, they accepted the terms they were presented with, shouldn't your complaint be with them rather than MS, or are you jealous that MS did so well?
The first version of Word I used was 5 for DOS, and I still prefer tha version to Word Perfect, I hated being forced to use WP at Uni, if you are talking about a few years ago being 20, then maybe.
Moreover, Microsoft often takes ideas knowing companies will not have the money to fight it in a long drawn out IP suit.
So you are saying that every idea Apple has, they came up with it first?
Again, my only point is that Microsoft has hurt the industry more then help it. All of it's big ideas came from others.
Again, are you saying Apple has never done this, are you saying all Apples ideas are original and have never been implemented in any form by another company?
And that is a big call to claim the industry is in a worse position due to MS existing, a lot of people, and a lot of companies have done very well due to MS existing.
Also the WAT was released last week...
...even then the hackers have already made a work around for it.
Yeah, it's amazing that they have been screwing up on all fronts for so long and no one has even brought up the subject of firing Balmer yet. A great many better CEO's have been let go sooner over performance that wasn't half as bad.
Well, their last quarter was best ever (according to the article on Anandtech.com) and Windows 7 is selling better than any previous Windows OS in the same timeframe... so that is very hard to be considered bad results.
I believe Vista was half-cooked before Balmer took over, so that cannot be considered his burden only. On server side, Server 2008 and 2008R2, Hyper-V... are all considered good products.
Much like Apple bought the guys who created Cover Flow which they show off so much. They didn't make that. Or like how Apple bought the foundation for the OS X operating system from NeXT, or the multi-touch technology company apple bought to use their tech in the iPhone. Do you think Apple created the visualizer in iTunes, nope they bought that company out too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Steve Jobs admits he steals from others.^
It goes both ways, in fact all big companies do this even google. It help bring good technology out to the masses.
Also the WAT was released last week. So obviously not a big uproar as you're predicting cause it would've happened by now. But since it has to be installed manually no one's going to install it and even then the hackers have already made a work around for it.
Windows 7 comes on the majority of PCs cause that's what people want, if people wanted a Mac they'd buy one and Apple would be the #1 seller of PCs in the world. They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
Not to mention that Apple is also often being called to court for various patent infringements, number of them being mentioned here on AI... that is what all big businesses do. If they get caught, they pay royalties... if they don't, they don't.
Well, their last quarter was best ever (according to the article on Anandtech.com) and Windows 7 is selling better than any previous Windows OS in the same timeframe... so that is very hard to be considered bad results.
I believe Vista was half-cooked before Balmer took over, so that cannot be considered his burden only. On server side, Server 2008 and 2008R2, Hyper-V... are all considered good products.
And Windows is their 3rd most profitable product category. Regardless of how we feel about MS they are powerful and profitable.
Not to mention that Apple is also often being called to court for various patent infringements, number of them being mentioned here on AI... that is what all big businesses do. If they get caught, they pay royalties... if they don't, they don't.
I swear I should be on this forum more often just to correct the BS that many on here spew. The inaccuracies in these articles and threads are amazing. It's like AI and it's readers is to Apple what Fox News is to the Republican party, just a propaganda machine.
The original quote is attributed to Picasso but there is no evidence of that, it was likely derived from an earlier quote by T. S. Elliott in 1923:-
“One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Eliot, T.S., “Philip Massinger,” The Sacred Wood, New York: Bartleby.com, 2000.
btw regarding the patch I referred to earlier, Tuesday March 9, 11am EST is when Microsoft will release the security update, while we are on the subject of inaccuracies, it wasn't released "last week".
Um he's clearly talking about Apple employees and the Macintosh in the clip. The clip is from a PBS show that was a look back at the early days of computing of the late 70s and 80s. It's not about NeXT. Nice try, though.
I swear I should be on this forum more often just to correct the BS that many on here spew. The inaccuracies in these articles and threads are amazing. It's like AI and it's readers is to Apple what Fox News is to the Republican party, just a propaganda machine.
They've been bombarded with I'm a Mac ads for the past 5 years they know that Apple exists but yet they continue to ignore them. Apple keeps wasting more and more money on those ads while Windows 7 soars past all of Macs marketshare in two just months while OS X usage share continues to drop.
And in those '5 years' the Macintosh has gone from a 5 billion a year business to a 14 billion a year business. What a waste of money!
PS. The market share figures you linked to also show Windows (all flavours) dropping... despite the success of Windows 7.
Well there's not much to go on from that short YouTube clip trimmed by fanboys.
The original quote is attributed to Picasso but there is no evidence of that, it was likely derived from an earlier quote by T. S. Elliott in 1923:-
“One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Eliot, T.S., “Philip Massinger,” The Sacred Wood, New York: Bartleby.com, 2000.
btw regarding the patch I referred to earlier, Tuesday March 9, 11am EST is when Microsoft will release the security update, while we are on the subject of inaccuracies, it wasn't released "last week".
You can see from the related videos that that interview was for the PBS documentary.
Please stop. The patch that was supposed to stop all the exploits that pirates were using came out 2/23/2010 it's called Windows Activation Technology. Here's what it is on my own PC since I haven't installed it since as I mention it isn't installed by default, even though it's listed as an "important" update it's unchecked by default and only checked updates are installed. So you have to manually install it
Here the KB article if you think I photoshoped the picture. What you link to was about the upcoming patch tuesday which as is protocol doesn't give out much info.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971033
As long as you guys keep spewing BS, I'll keep correcting it.