That is why Windows still dominates the market after all of these years with their great user experience... Price is everything in consumer space. User experience is a value add.
The only reason that Microsoft maintained their marketshare among consumers was the relative familiarity the consumer had coming out of the enterprise - user experience, and the fact that Microsoft cut killer OEM deals to get it on as many computers as possible. So the consumer had little in the way of convenient choices. Most people I know don't go out and buy an upgrade of Windows - they go out and buy a new computer with the new version of Windows already installed. So you are inaccurate - price is important (especially in hard times), but it is only one aspect. Reliability, user experience and value for the dollar are other that weigh into the decision.
FWIW, a number of my friends and neighbors have come to me to announce that they are switching to Macs of one type or another, even, in some cases, where they had to save up extra cash to do the purchase. One of them is a waitress and she proudly showed me the huge wad of small bills from tips she had saved to go but her first Mac. That is user experience and value taking the front seat, not price.
The only reason that Microsoft maintained their marketshare among consumers was the relative familiarity the consumer had coming out of the enterprise - user experience, and the fact that Microsoft cut killer OEM deals to get it on as many computers as possible. So the consumer had little in the way of convenient choices. Most people I know don't go out and buy an upgrade of Windows - they go out and buy a new computer with the new version of Windows already installed. So you are inaccurate - price is important (especially in hard times), but it is only one aspect. Reliability, user experience and value for the dollar are other that weigh into the decision.
FWIW, a number of my friends and neighbors have come to me to announce that they are switching to Macs of one type or another, even, in some cases, where they had to save up extra cash to do the purchase. One of them is a waitress and she proudly showed me the huge wad of small bills from tips she had saved to go but her first Mac. That is user experience and value taking the front seat, not price.
It's a pure distraction argument that doesn't really merit a response, but what the hell.
Microsoft's dominance is a complete accident of history, based on events which could not be duplicated even if someone wanted to see such a thing happen again. And who would?
Microsoft had nothing directly to do with the advent of cheap commodity hardware, they were just in the perfect position to reap the benefits. They then proceeded to engage in a series of illegal, anticompetitive tactics to maintain and extend that dominance. Meanwhile a lot of people who should have known better were chanting the gospel of standardization, and a whole lot of other people who didn't know any better believed it.
Something tells me that when you're a stockholder it helps to know your stock's correct ticker symbol.
Yes, I know the ticker is actually AAPL and not APPL. I just slipped on the keyboard when I typed it, big deal, calm down the world isn't going to end.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
The problem is that people compare the Apple TV success to a flagship project like the iPhone, when really it should be compared to devices like Time Capsules and Airports. Like these other wireless devices, Apple TV won't change your life but it will make it easier, and over time you will wonder how you managed without it.
Most people I know still buy DVD's and are even looking at Blu-ray players, but there is no doubt that digital downloads will eventually replace physical formats at some point in the future. Apple TV is the Bridge between iTunes and the Lounge, so Apple are not going to kill it, they will just wait for the market to grow.
That funny because most members here don't believe a netbook has to the power to watch movies or even stream something with Flash. Netbooks work just fine in fact most are a good bit more powerful then the iPad and can now even run Windows 7 just fine. The iPad can't even handle Flash 10.
The iPad is not trying to replace a Netbook.
A Netbook is just a cheap laptop, nothing more.
A Netbook is an underpowered. lower speced, smaller screened Laptop.
If you want a laptop buy a laptop, or if you don't have the cash a netbook.
The iPad is a different type of product, it is not a computer, it is not trying to be a computer.
It is a new type of product, something that we will just have around the house, and use when we want to access the internet, play games, etc. NOT COMPUTE, for that we will still use a computer.
It is not a computer, just like an XBox is not a computer.
It serves a purpose, that you just don't see yet.
I will have an iPad sat on the coffee table at home, and will use it for :-
- Web surfing (glad there is no flash - NO ADVERTS)
- Control iTunes
- Read books
- Play games
All with a really slick, easy to use touch interface.
I know I can do these things on a laptop / netbook, but I don;t want to use a computer, as it feels like work, and that I am using a device that is not really designed to be used while I sit on the sofa.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
You really don't understand the iPad.
It is not designed for what you describe, it is NOT a laptop / netbook replacement.
I'll agree that an optical drive DVD or BD would certainly add functionality and usefulness but how does not having one hurt the device? It's not like you have to choose between AppleTV or a DVD/BD player.
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Most of my friends who come over and witness the AppleTV think it's a great device. Yet, only one friend of mine has gotten one. A tipping point has obviously not been reached. I think Apple is continuing to work on finding out what that point will be.
Why's that do you think? When iPod and iTunes were launched, it was easy to use your existing CD music collection. When AppleTV was launched, it wasn't easy to use your existing DVD collection. iPod was a huge success, AppleTV was a huge flop. It's not exactly rocket science.
Adding a DVD or BD now is too late, Apple have missed the boat on that one. They should drop AppleTV and concentrate on the Mac Mini instead, adding HDMI, a BluRay option and beefing up FrontRow. Better yet, include a TV tuner and PVR functionality (and include a universal remote so you can control the TV as well) and turn the whole thing into a proper media center.
Connect both a DVD/BD and an AppleTV to your TV set? Sure, it's POSSIBLE (assuming your TV has enough inputs) but having to faff about with so many remotes and switching inputs isn't exactly the perfect user experience. If Apple provided a decent integrated media center solution I'd throw away my existing DVD player and PVR in a heartbeat, but the AppleTV just isn't it, sorry.
Regarding the speed, that was one of the most surprising aspects of testing the iPad on the day of Steve Jobs launch. It's blindlingly fast apparently.
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
Considering a netbook runs a desktop OS and has a trackpad and keyboard there will be many tasks it can do that any tablet or a tablet running an idealized OS can't do. For example, I bet I can install and run Photoshop on a netbook, but that doesn't mean it would be usable, but it's technically possible. I don't think that makes it a jumbo anything when the OS and HW is has clearly been redesigned to make it ideal for the form factor.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
The argument that the iPad is just a jumbo iPhone has been overly used. If you've read other forums and kept up on the news you would know that the iPad apps store will be separate from the iPhone-iPod Touch apps store.
There are apps being specifically written for the iPad and some of the iPhone apps will also work on the iPad according to Apple. So it is more than just a giant, jumbo, over grown iPhone. And then the tiny netbook is just an underpowered mini PC laptop too small for the lap.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
What makes you think your incapable of using a virtual keyboard? If pounding out text I would use a small bluetooth keyboard but if my main goal was writing I doubt I would be using a netbook. The focus of the iPad obviously is media consumption but the device will be quite capable of producing document when you don't want to drag along a laptop.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
They will get 2 months from early May to early July. This is what it will be. Just like the 2 months from no iPad to iPad. 2 months is more than enough for active iOS developers. This isn't 2008, when they had to start more than 4 months out just to get the ball rolling and have 20 Apps for sale when the 3G was released.
iOS 4.0 is not going to be unveiled at all until the iPad, BOTH models, are moving out the door. They don't want to shoot themselves in the foot and give people pause.
ie: "Wait, what's coming soon? 4 point what? Do I get that if I buy one today? think I'll wait..."
Not everyone is familiar with the release schedule, and people are easily confused. Anytime Apple puts up "Coming Soon," It slows sales in that category. How well do you think the iPhone sells in the days after announcing the next hardware gen? Not too well. But thats expected.
So, again, they are not going to announce anything new related to the iOS, specifically the next major upgrade to 4.0, until iPad sales are fully underway and all early adopters have made they move.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
Hopefully when the iPad is released it will have the new OS 4G, makes more sense, otherwise you will have to upgrade the iPad to the new OS 4G when it's released.
Hopefully when the iPad is released it will have the new OS 4G, makes more sense, otherwise you will have to upgrade the iPad to the new OS 4G when it's released.
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That is why Windows still dominates the market after all of these years with their great user experience... Price is everything in consumer space. User experience is a value add.
The only reason that Microsoft maintained their marketshare among consumers was the relative familiarity the consumer had coming out of the enterprise - user experience, and the fact that Microsoft cut killer OEM deals to get it on as many computers as possible. So the consumer had little in the way of convenient choices. Most people I know don't go out and buy an upgrade of Windows - they go out and buy a new computer with the new version of Windows already installed. So you are inaccurate - price is important (especially in hard times), but it is only one aspect. Reliability, user experience and value for the dollar are other that weigh into the decision.
FWIW, a number of my friends and neighbors have come to me to announce that they are switching to Macs of one type or another, even, in some cases, where they had to save up extra cash to do the purchase. One of them is a waitress and she proudly showed me the huge wad of small bills from tips she had saved to go but her first Mac. That is user experience and value taking the front seat, not price.
The only reason that Microsoft maintained their marketshare among consumers was the relative familiarity the consumer had coming out of the enterprise - user experience, and the fact that Microsoft cut killer OEM deals to get it on as many computers as possible. So the consumer had little in the way of convenient choices. Most people I know don't go out and buy an upgrade of Windows - they go out and buy a new computer with the new version of Windows already installed. So you are inaccurate - price is important (especially in hard times), but it is only one aspect. Reliability, user experience and value for the dollar are other that weigh into the decision.
FWIW, a number of my friends and neighbors have come to me to announce that they are switching to Macs of one type or another, even, in some cases, where they had to save up extra cash to do the purchase. One of them is a waitress and she proudly showed me the huge wad of small bills from tips she had saved to go but her first Mac. That is user experience and value taking the front seat, not price.
It's a pure distraction argument that doesn't really merit a response, but what the hell.
Microsoft's dominance is a complete accident of history, based on events which could not be duplicated even if someone wanted to see such a thing happen again. And who would?
Microsoft had nothing directly to do with the advent of cheap commodity hardware, they were just in the perfect position to reap the benefits. They then proceeded to engage in a series of illegal, anticompetitive tactics to maintain and extend that dominance. Meanwhile a lot of people who should have known better were chanting the gospel of standardization, and a whole lot of other people who didn't know any better believed it.
Something tells me that when you're a stockholder it helps to know your stock's correct ticker symbol.
Yes, I know the ticker is actually AAPL and not APPL. I just slipped on the keyboard when I typed it, big deal, calm down the world isn't going to end.
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
You have one already?
Most people I know still buy DVD's and are even looking at Blu-ray players, but there is no doubt that digital downloads will eventually replace physical formats at some point in the future. Apple TV is the Bridge between iTunes and the Lounge, so Apple are not going to kill it, they will just wait for the market to grow.
Early Adopters...
What would happen if there where no early adopters?
Apple would not sell any and the product would be discontinued.
That funny because most members here don't believe a netbook has to the power to watch movies or even stream something with Flash. Netbooks work just fine in fact most are a good bit more powerful then the iPad and can now even run Windows 7 just fine. The iPad can't even handle Flash 10.
The iPad is not trying to replace a Netbook.
A Netbook is just a cheap laptop, nothing more.
A Netbook is an underpowered. lower speced, smaller screened Laptop.
If you want a laptop buy a laptop, or if you don't have the cash a netbook.
The iPad is a different type of product, it is not a computer, it is not trying to be a computer.
It is a new type of product, something that we will just have around the house, and use when we want to access the internet, play games, etc. NOT COMPUTE, for that we will still use a computer.
It is not a computer, just like an XBox is not a computer.
It serves a purpose, that you just don't see yet.
I will have an iPad sat on the coffee table at home, and will use it for :-
- Web surfing (glad there is no flash - NO ADVERTS)
- Control iTunes
- Read books
- Play games
All with a really slick, easy to use touch interface.
I know I can do these things on a laptop / netbook, but I don;t want to use a computer, as it feels like work, and that I am using a device that is not really designed to be used while I sit on the sofa.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
You really don't understand the iPad.
It is not designed for what you describe, it is NOT a laptop / netbook replacement.
If you need to use a netbook use a netbook.
I'll agree that an optical drive DVD or BD would certainly add functionality and usefulness but how does not having one hurt the device? It's not like you have to choose between AppleTV or a DVD/BD player.
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Most of my friends who come over and witness the AppleTV think it's a great device. Yet, only one friend of mine has gotten one. A tipping point has obviously not been reached. I think Apple is continuing to work on finding out what that point will be.
Why's that do you think? When iPod and iTunes were launched, it was easy to use your existing CD music collection. When AppleTV was launched, it wasn't easy to use your existing DVD collection. iPod was a huge success, AppleTV was a huge flop. It's not exactly rocket science.
Adding a DVD or BD now is too late, Apple have missed the boat on that one. They should drop AppleTV and concentrate on the Mac Mini instead, adding HDMI, a BluRay option and beefing up FrontRow. Better yet, include a TV tuner and PVR functionality (and include a universal remote so you can control the TV as well) and turn the whole thing into a proper media center.
Connect both a DVD/BD and an AppleTV to your TV set? Sure, it's POSSIBLE (assuming your TV has enough inputs) but having to faff about with so many remotes and switching inputs isn't exactly the perfect user experience. If Apple provided a decent integrated media center solution I'd throw away my existing DVD player and PVR in a heartbeat, but the AppleTV just isn't it, sorry.
You really don't understand the iPad.
It is not designed for what you describe, it is NOT a laptop / netbook replacement.
If you need to use a netbook use a netbook.
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
Considering a netbook runs a desktop OS and has a trackpad and keyboard there will be many tasks it can do that any tablet or a tablet running an idealized OS can't do. For example, I bet I can install and run Photoshop on a netbook, but that doesn't mean it would be usable, but it's technically possible. I don't think that makes it a jumbo anything when the OS and HW is has clearly been redesigned to make it ideal for the form factor.
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
So it won't do what you want it to do (even if you haven't tried it) and that makes it "just" a jumbo iPhone.
Hmmmmmm... well... if you... awww, forget it... it would take too long.
On April 3rd we'll start finding out what it really can and can't do.
iOS 4.0 introduction in early May.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
Oh yes I do. If it can't do what even a tiny netbook can do then it's just a jumbo iPhone. (not that I wouldn't like one).
The argument that the iPad is just a jumbo iPhone has been overly used. If you've read other forums and kept up on the news you would know that the iPad apps store will be separate from the iPhone-iPod Touch apps store.
There are apps being specifically written for the iPad and some of the iPhone apps will also work on the iPad according to Apple. So it is more than just a giant, jumbo, over grown iPhone. And then the tiny netbook is just an underpowered mini PC laptop too small for the lap.
I was getting ready to go to the cafe today to update my CV and do some research and it hit me. If I want to sit at a cafe and pound out some text like I do on my Macbook or can be done on a netbook, you can't really do that on an iPad. The iPad is more of a media browsing device (as everyone says, it's just a jumbo iPhone).
How can we possibly write extensive texts using the virtual iPad keyboard? Also the device needs a stand which could prove to be unstable or inconvenient.
I can't see using the iPad upright in its stand while typing on the virtual keyboard. This means that we need both a BT/WiFi keyboard and we also are forced to use a stand.
I don't know if I'm liking this new iPad
What makes you think your incapable of using a virtual keyboard? If pounding out text I would use a small bluetooth keyboard but if my main goal was writing I doubt I would be using a netbook. The focus of the iPad obviously is media consumption but the device will be quite capable of producing document when you don't want to drag along a laptop.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
They will get 2 months from early May to early July. This is what it will be. Just like the 2 months from no iPad to iPad. 2 months is more than enough for active iOS developers. This isn't 2008, when they had to start more than 4 months out just to get the ball rolling and have 20 Apps for sale when the 3G was released.
iOS 4.0 is not going to be unveiled at all until the iPad, BOTH models, are moving out the door. They don't want to shoot themselves in the foot and give people pause.
ie: "Wait, what's coming soon? 4 point what? Do I get that if I buy one today? think I'll wait..."
Not everyone is familiar with the release schedule, and people are easily confused. Anytime Apple puts up "Coming Soon," It slows sales in that category. How well do you think the iPhone sells in the days after announcing the next hardware gen? Not too well. But thats expected.
So, again, they are not going to announce anything new related to the iOS, specifically the next major upgrade to 4.0, until iPad sales are fully underway and all early adopters have made they move.
That would be really late. According to their record on previewing iPhone OS 2 & 3 I would expect an event before the end of the month. Maybe they will wait for the iPad to be launched before introducing the new SDK, but if they wait until May, developers will only get a month and a half before the new iPhone comes out, hopefully with the new software.
Hopefully when the iPad is released it will have the new OS 4G, makes more sense, otherwise you will have to upgrade the iPad to the new OS 4G when it's released.
Hopefully when the iPad is released it will have the new OS 4G, makes more sense, otherwise you will have to upgrade the iPad to the new OS 4G when it's released.