I agree. Maybe screen protecters don't make sense for people who actually treat their iPhone or iPod Touch with baby gloves. I mercilessly throw mine in my pocket with my keys and change. The screens are tuff, but they do scratch which in turn effects touch responsiveness. The body of these products scratch easily.
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Originally Posted by LuckyMethod
you guys are all insane. My iPhone 2G got scratched the first week, I got a screen protector. My GF's touch has a huge scratch in the front because was kept with keys without a protection.
Also, the oleophobic coating feels sticky when you drag something, the screen protector makes easier.
But again, you're all insane, you can't be THAT much of a Cool Aid drinker for a company that CHARGES you for products. Seriously.
Just speculating, but is it possible these protective films could interfere with touchscreen functionality now or in the future?
Well it's possible. It could impact the intended experience. I have used screen protectors in the past and had no problems. Then again, a protective screen/film is an extra layer between your finger and the device screen surface.
"Censors?" That's a bit rich, isn't it? In this context, they're a pure retailer. If the screens don't sell, Apple is wise not to bother stocking them. If they sell but don't help ? or worse, if they hurt the screen's sensitivity ? then Apple is wise not to bother stocking them. And if these stickum things are really all that big a deal, then it seems like iPhones with scratches on the screens would be a lot more common than they are.
Glass is extremely hard, and very resistant to scratching. It's not impossible to scratch, obviously, but it's much more difficult to scratch glass than plastic.
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With coins? Pretty sure no one is trying that except in torture tests.
Actually I have, though not on purpose. I carried my iPhone in the pocket of my backpack for a while, where I also stowed my keys and my loose change. It rattled around in there quite a bit. Never got any scratches, though. I've dropped it a couple of times onto concrete and onto hard tile, and it has some dings and scuffs on the aluminum. (It's an original iPhone.) But the screen itself is still pristine. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe glass is just that durable.
I always think Apple wants to make their products wear out faster, in an aesthetic sense.
Personally my iPhone screen has held up pretty well, but this seems to encourage those with scratched screens to update to a newer model. Same with MBPs, as the aluminum scratches pretty easily, although it is really sturdy. Apple makes really durable products, but they get scratched pretty easy (in the case of the iPhone/iPod touch, the back very easily scratched).
Remember folks, you can still buy them, just not in Apple Stores.
Apple is not going to sell or stand behind a product that puts an extra layer between the finger and the screen. Apple did not intend for their devices to have protective screens, nor did they intend for them to be used with protective screens.
Wouldn't banning be more along the lines of "use of these products will violate your warranty blah blah blah". Sounds more to me like they just don't want to clutter up their own store with stuff they don't see the point in. What's the big deal?
I used screen protectors for my Palm PDAs. You could scratch their plastic screens by just looking at them. I've had three iPhones all naked and not a scratch on them. Protecting a glass screen with a plastic sheet makes as much sense as applying a plastic sheet to your car's windshield. The oleophobic coating is great. Good for Apple. Time to stop this little bit of insanity and ignorance.
While not on the surface of the glass, every windshield is actually a sandwich of plastic and glass, and the plastic makes the glass stronger, and prevents the non-tempered windshield from shattering into sharp pieces that can cut you to ribbons in a crash.
I can take my keys to my iPod touch's screen like a mad man and it doesn't scratch. If you've done something that forceful in order to scratch the glass then I highly doubt a strip of plastic in front would have saved it.
1) iPod touches don't have the oleophobic coating; it's straight up glass screen. These screens were/are indeed very resistant to scratches (I remember Apple Store employees doing the key test when the iPhone first came out).
2) Customers want a film screen (and case) because they want to feel their $200+ investment is protected. They will continue to want to feel this way. This isn't going to change human nature.
3) One of the Apple Store's strength is that you can get anything you need to deal with Apple products there. It will lose this when customers have to go to Amazon, or other vendors for their film screens.
4) The iPhone 3GS's oleophobic coating actually DOES scratch, because it is just a coating of plastic atop the durable glass. Newer iPhones -- and iPod touches, and iPads, one would assume -- would have even more reason to need a film screen because of the oleophobic coating feature.
I've never used a film-based screen protector and have never had a scratch on either of the two iPhones I've owned. However, I have cases that flip a cover over the front. One was made by Case-Mate for the first iPhone. The current one is made by Vaja Cases.
I wouldn't have it any other way. Film is ugly and never as smooth as the iPhone's face.
I don't use a screen protector on my iPhone, but I do use one of those thin, flexible plastic cases on it.
I'm pretty careful about keeping keys out of my pockets, so my screen is immaculate, but I have dropped my phone a few times on my hardwood floors and without the case, it wouldn't have been a pretty outcome
Never had a scratch, but enjoyed a huge benefit for gaming with a screenie after getting advice in the forums at Touch Arcade. Much slicker for the fingers.
I think you should back this nonsense up or remove it from the article. We aren't Republican's here. You can't just repeat lies over and over until they are believed.
Your attempt at posting a snarky comment would have been stronger if you had used the plural instead of possessive. But good effort. Everyone loves lame political digs on a technology website.
As for the substance of the article, in my experience, the screens scratch very easily without a protective covering.
My friend who is an Apple Genius insisted that I get a screen protector for my iPhone. He said that cracked screens are one of the most common problems they see. Replacing a cracked screen costs $199 at Apple. I'd rather pay $15 and be a little safer.
I think the other big problem is that it requires a good degree of coordination and a clean room to put those films on squarely and without any dust trapped under them.
One of the Apple Store's strength is that you can get anything you need to deal with Apple products there.
I put the emphasis in there to prove a point. Besides, what's the harm? If Apple chooses not to give shelf space to a product, the worst thing that can happen is that Apple's retail sales figures decline. Far more likely, their sales figures will remain constant or continue to follow whatever trend they're already following. It's not like they're going to take out those products and just leave the shelf space empty, after all.
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The iPhone 3GS's oleophobic coating actually DOES scratch, because it is just a coating of plastic atop the durable glass.
That's oversimplified to the point of being misleading. The oleophobic coating is a polymer that's chemically bonded to the glass. Calling it a plastic coating makes it sound like it's just smeared on. It's the difference between electroplating something and wrapping it in aluminum foil.
Incidentally, the idea that it scratches? Complete bunk. The process works by using a molecule that chemically bonds to silicon on one end, and to carbon on the other. This is the "glue" that holds the polymer coating to the glass. You can't dislodge that chemical bond with shear forces. And even if you could, the coating is less than one hundred nanometers thick. For perspective, that's less than about fifteen thousandths of the diameter of the average red blood cell. Even if you could remove it through the application of shear forces, you wouldn't be able to tell without an electron microscope.
My friend who is an Apple Genius insisted that I get a screen protector for my iPhone. He said that cracked screens are one of the most common problems they see. Replacing a cracked screen costs $199 at Apple. I'd rather pay $15 and be a little safer.
I think the other big problem is that it requires a good degree of coordination and a clean room to put those films on squarely and without any dust trapped under them.
The thing is, if your screen's going to crack, it's going to crack with or without a screen protector. I've dropped my iPhone 3 times without any protection, and the only place showing a crack is the plastic around the dock connector.
A cracked iphone screen still works fine, but it will cut the hell out of your finger. If your iphone screen cracks you need a screen cover, asap. Most of us cant afford to have an aesthetic issue like a cracked screen fixed, so it seems ridiculous to take away this resource for maintaining our device. A screen cover wont stop a break, but it sure helps afterward.
As well, this decision annoys me because the hands down best case I've ever used (I've dropped my phone on concrete a number of times since I got it) is the Otterbox, and it has a built in screen cover, that means it wont be available in apple stores. Its the best plastic case I've used (the case locks really well) coupled with a soft silicon coating, and is water resistant, so you dont have to worry about a spilled drink destroying your $500 phone (I always think of my phone based on its replacement cost, not its subsidized cost).
Water resistant cases by nature have to have a screen cover!
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you guys are all insane. My iPhone 2G got scratched the first week, I got a screen protector. My GF's touch has a huge scratch in the front because was kept with keys without a protection.
Also, the oleophobic coating feels sticky when you drag something, the screen protector makes easier.
But again, you're all insane, you can't be THAT much of a Cool Aid drinker for a company that CHARGES you for products. Seriously.
Just speculating, but is it possible these protective films could interfere with touchscreen functionality now or in the future?
Well it's possible. It could impact the intended experience. I have used screen protectors in the past and had no problems. Then again, a protective screen/film is an extra layer between your finger and the device screen surface.
Apple's censors are hard at work
"Censors?" That's a bit rich, isn't it? In this context, they're a pure retailer. If the screens don't sell, Apple is wise not to bother stocking them. If they sell but don't help ? or worse, if they hurt the screen's sensitivity ? then Apple is wise not to bother stocking them. And if these stickum things are really all that big a deal, then it seems like iPhones with scratches on the screens would be a lot more common than they are.
Glass is extremely hard, and very resistant to scratching. It's not impossible to scratch, obviously, but it's much more difficult to scratch glass than plastic.
With coins? Pretty sure no one is trying that except in torture tests.
Actually I have, though not on purpose. I carried my iPhone in the pocket of my backpack for a while, where I also stowed my keys and my loose change. It rattled around in there quite a bit. Never got any scratches, though. I've dropped it a couple of times onto concrete and onto hard tile, and it has some dings and scuffs on the aluminum. (It's an original iPhone.) But the screen itself is still pristine. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe glass is just that durable.
Personally my iPhone screen has held up pretty well, but this seems to encourage those with scratched screens to update to a newer model. Same with MBPs, as the aluminum scratches pretty easily, although it is really sturdy. Apple makes really durable products, but they get scratched pretty easy (in the case of the iPhone/iPod touch, the back very easily scratched).
Any thoughts?
Apple is not going to sell or stand behind a product that puts an extra layer between the finger and the screen. Apple did not intend for their devices to have protective screens, nor did they intend for them to be used with protective screens.
You are a tool. You don't understand the concept of the word "ban"
In my store I used to cary certain products; now I don't carry them anymore. I didn't "BAN" them.
I used screen protectors for my Palm PDAs. You could scratch their plastic screens by just looking at them. I've had three iPhones all naked and not a scratch on them. Protecting a glass screen with a plastic sheet makes as much sense as applying a plastic sheet to your car's windshield. The oleophobic coating is great. Good for Apple. Time to stop this little bit of insanity and ignorance.
While not on the surface of the glass, every windshield is actually a sandwich of plastic and glass, and the plastic makes the glass stronger, and prevents the non-tempered windshield from shattering into sharp pieces that can cut you to ribbons in a crash.
There are also plastic films that can be applied to the windows in your home to make them more resistant to damage http://www.3m.com/us/arch_construct/..._security.html
I can take my keys to my iPod touch's screen like a mad man and it doesn't scratch. If you've done something that forceful in order to scratch the glass then I highly doubt a strip of plastic in front would have saved it.
1) iPod touches don't have the oleophobic coating; it's straight up glass screen. These screens were/are indeed very resistant to scratches (I remember Apple Store employees doing the key test when the iPhone first came out).
2) Customers want a film screen (and case) because they want to feel their $200+ investment is protected. They will continue to want to feel this way. This isn't going to change human nature.
3) One of the Apple Store's strength is that you can get anything you need to deal with Apple products there. It will lose this when customers have to go to Amazon, or other vendors for their film screens.
4) The iPhone 3GS's oleophobic coating actually DOES scratch, because it is just a coating of plastic atop the durable glass. Newer iPhones -- and iPod touches, and iPads, one would assume -- would have even more reason to need a film screen because of the oleophobic coating feature.
I wouldn't have it any other way. Film is ugly and never as smooth as the iPhone's face.
Oleo = oil
I'm pretty careful about keeping keys out of my pockets, so my screen is immaculate, but I have dropped my phone a few times on my hardwood floors and without the case, it wouldn't have been a pretty outcome
I think you should back this nonsense up or remove it from the article. We aren't Republican's here. You can't just repeat lies over and over until they are believed.
Your attempt at posting a snarky comment would have been stronger if you had used the plural instead of possessive. But good effort. Everyone loves lame political digs on a technology website.
As for the substance of the article, in my experience, the screens scratch very easily without a protective covering.
I think the other big problem is that it requires a good degree of coordination and a clean room to put those films on squarely and without any dust trapped under them.
One of the Apple Store's strength is that you can get anything you need to deal with Apple products there.
I put the emphasis in there to prove a point. Besides, what's the harm? If Apple chooses not to give shelf space to a product, the worst thing that can happen is that Apple's retail sales figures decline. Far more likely, their sales figures will remain constant or continue to follow whatever trend they're already following. It's not like they're going to take out those products and just leave the shelf space empty, after all.
The iPhone 3GS's oleophobic coating actually DOES scratch, because it is just a coating of plastic atop the durable glass.
That's oversimplified to the point of being misleading. The oleophobic coating is a polymer that's chemically bonded to the glass. Calling it a plastic coating makes it sound like it's just smeared on. It's the difference between electroplating something and wrapping it in aluminum foil.
Incidentally, the idea that it scratches? Complete bunk. The process works by using a molecule that chemically bonds to silicon on one end, and to carbon on the other. This is the "glue" that holds the polymer coating to the glass. You can't dislodge that chemical bond with shear forces. And even if you could, the coating is less than one hundred nanometers thick. For perspective, that's less than about fifteen thousandths of the diameter of the average red blood cell. Even if you could remove it through the application of shear forces, you wouldn't be able to tell without an electron microscope.
Apple love it when your device becomes scratched to crap, it means that people and you will be more likely to purchase a new device. I hate that.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about.
I've been using my iphone 3G without screen protector for almost 2 years, and zero scratches on the screen.
My friend who is an Apple Genius insisted that I get a screen protector for my iPhone. He said that cracked screens are one of the most common problems they see. Replacing a cracked screen costs $199 at Apple. I'd rather pay $15 and be a little safer.
I think the other big problem is that it requires a good degree of coordination and a clean room to put those films on squarely and without any dust trapped under them.
The thing is, if your screen's going to crack, it's going to crack with or without a screen protector. I've dropped my iPhone 3 times without any protection, and the only place showing a crack is the plastic around the dock connector.
As well, this decision annoys me because the hands down best case I've ever used (I've dropped my phone on concrete a number of times since I got it) is the Otterbox, and it has a built in screen cover, that means it wont be available in apple stores. Its the best plastic case I've used (the case locks really well) coupled with a soft silicon coating, and is water resistant, so you dont have to worry about a spilled drink destroying your $500 phone (I always think of my phone based on its replacement cost, not its subsidized cost).
Water resistant cases by nature have to have a screen cover!