More and more, Apple seems to be ignoring what people want in favor of what Steve Jobs is convinced they should want--Flash on the iPhone/Touch/iPad, user-replaceable batteries, support for more audio and video codecs. And now this.
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
Kinda funny how that company just went right to speculating apple was doing it in some devious attempt to promote how good their screens are.. instead of the most plausable reason of they don't want other companies crap ruining their technology :P
They make claims that their aluminum casing is super strong to but you don't see them baning laptop case makers..
you guys are all insane. My iPhone 2G got scratched the first week, I got a screen protector. My GF's touch has a huge scratch in the front because was kept with keys without a protection.
Also, the oleophobic coating feels sticky when you drag something, the screen protector makes easier.
But again, you're all insane, you can't be THAT much of a Cool Aid drinker for a company that CHARGES you for products. Seriously.
Devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch (and now the iPod nano screen) use tempered optical glass, which has a Mohs hardness scale rating of 7-8, which puts it into the same class as quartz, but below Topaz, and of course diamond. Regular glass is down around 3-5 Mohs, mild steel is usually around 4-5 Mohs and hardened (carbonized) steel is around 7-8 Mohs. So for the screen to scratch you had to have it come into contact with something that was higher on the Mohs scale than the screen. Usually that's a diamond ring, an emery board, or some kind of mineral or other. I repeatedly take out my small pocket knife which has stainless steel fittings and rub it back and forth across my 1st gen screen to show how tough the screen is. NOTE: do not do this to your later models with the oleophobic coating - for some reason the coating makes the scratches more obvious than on the plain glass of the 1st gen..
Most keys are made out of a form of brass - which is lower on the Mohs scale than steel, so it categorically wasn't the keys that scratched the screen. It could have been the steel in the keyring, or something else, but most definitely not the keys.
I do have a friend who is one of those folks who insists on squeezing the phone with her shoulder against her ear, which is ok - except she wears diamond earrings, which put a series of small but visible scratches in her screen. I recommended she put a film on to put a sacrificial layer between the diamond and the glass. Since the plastic film is resilient and therefore less prone to scratching by the diamonds, it works fine.
So if you get sand in your pocket, drop it outside where there is a wide mix of minerals to contact - chances are good you will find something that will scratch the screen if you don't keep it clean and debris-free.
As for drinking the koolaid, try this on for size. Apple gets to decide what they think is best for their products and what third party products they want in their stores. You as a consumer get to decide what is best for your use of that product - but that doesn't mean that Apple has to meet your every whim or expectation simply because you want something that they choose to not stock in their stores. Seriously. What a ridiculous response.
This seems like a silly move. If the iPhone / iPod Touch screens don't need a film protector they won't sell. I have an iPhone 3G and after using it for a few days, I added an anti-glare, anti-fingerprint screen protector because I couldn't stand the glare or fingerprints.
Apple's censors are hard at work. They should simply let the customer decide whether they need a protector or not.
They are removing them from the Apple Retail Stores, not declaring a world-wide ban on them by all suppliers. Sheesh. I mean really - do you get this worked up over Target or some other retailer not carrying something you think you need? And it's not like there aren't copious other sources even more convenient than the local Apple Store to purchase these through. You get to choose where you buy them from - it just simply won't be your local Apple Retailer. Try instead the much more widely available Target, WalMart, Best Buy, MicroCenter or online at Amazon or dozens of other outlets. Time to take your chill-pill.
This seems like a silly move. If the iPhone / iPod Touch screens don't need a film protector they won't sell. I have an iPhone 3G and after using it for a few days, I added an anti-glare, anti-fingerprint screen protector because I couldn't stand the glare or fingerprints.
Most people put them on because they think they need them. Same as extended warranties - if they were such a good deal, why do companies push them so hard?
It's like people who put stupid cases on an iPhone negating one of it's best features (thinness/small size) and when some of those same cases end up reducing the effectiveness of the radio suddenly it's Apple who designed a bad phone
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Apple's censors are hard at work.
No, their buyers are hard at work and they decided not to sell useless products.
It would be like Best Buy deciding to stop selling Monster Cables.
What a concept, thinking of your customer instead of just taking advantage of them and making a buck....
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They should simply let the customer decide whether they need a protector or not.
They aren't eliminating them from the market - if you want one you can still find them in plenty of places. By selling them they could be seen as endorsing them, and I can understand that they don't want to be seen as doing such. I don't blame them.
... Most keys are made out of a form of brass - which is lower on the Mohs scale than steel, so it categorically wasn't the keys that scratched the screen. It could have been the steel in the keyring, or something else, but most definitely not the keys. ... if you get sand in your pocket, drop it outside where there is a wide mix of minerals to contact - chances are good you will find something that will scratch the screen if you don't keep it clean and debris-free. ...
Game point, and match!
Funny how facts, logic, and a reasonable argument can destroy most of the posts on the thread.
Devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch (and now the iPod nano screen) use tempered optical glass, which has a Mohs hardness scale rating of 7-8, which puts it into the same class as quartz, but below Topaz, and of course diamond. Regular glass is down around 3-5 Mohs, mild steel is usually around 4-5 Mohs and hardened (carbonized) steel is around 7-8 Mohs. So for the screen to scratch you had to have it come into contact with something that was higher on the Mohs scale than the screen. Usually that's a diamond ring, an emery board, or some kind of mineral or other?As for drinking the koolaid, try this on for size. Apple gets to decide what they think is best for their products and what third party products they want in their stores. You as a consumer get to decide what is best for your use of that product - but that doesn't mean that Apple has to meet your every whim or expectation simply because you want something that they choose to not stock in their stores. Seriously. What a ridiculous response.
Superbly put. Thank you.
I would like to suggest that Apple's latest move is to ensure that more people don't use products that alter their functionality as they were designed. By keeping such items on their own shelves makes it very difficult for a Genius/service rep to explain to a disgruntled customer that that film protector they bought is now blocking the multi-touch function on their iPhone/iPod touch.
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Using the touchscreen requires touch by a bare finger or a conductive device. The touchscreen works best with clean and dry fingers. Objects or substances that block or distort the slight electrical charge carried by your fingers can result in erratic touchscreen behavior.
the only reasoning I can see for this has to be profit related or function related
they must be either hindering some soon to come feature (perhaps more exact touch controls), or perhaps they have their own alternative screen protection coming out in the near future.
other than that, I cant see why they would do this, they don't tend to be idiots in their product decisions
You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
GOD I couldn't agree with this more!! Chances are APPLE knows what makes a good product better the you or I or anyone else pissed off at their iPhone cause their favorite porn site uses flash.
I don't get how people support this movement. Sure for some of you, by some stroke of luck, your iPod or iPhone hasn't gotten any scratches. However for the vast majority, it seems like scratches are a fact of life with these devices and want to keep them as pristine as possible.
The halting of protector sales because it masks oleophobic coating is like saying Apple should ban iPod cases because it hides the glossy chrome feature on the device's back.
iLounge often seems to have an anti-Apple, pro-accessory bias, possibly connected to their advertising revenue. I say ?seems? because I?m not ready to pass definite judgement on that.
But leave it to iLounge to use the inflammatory word ?ban? for a store simply deciding what to sell! I guess 99% of all Mac products are ?banned by Apple? because they?re not found in Apple?s retail stores
In any case, these screen protectors are not good products in my view?not for glass screens. The odds of them helping your screen look better rather than worse are low. I?ve never heard of anyone scratching a glass iPhone screen. Plastic screens?sure. But glass is the future.
So... Apple decides not to sell that particular kind of product. Is that some kind of big deal?
I have always used a plastic shield and I can tell you without a doubt the iPhone is not difficult to scratch. When I replaced my 2G iPhone with the 3GS I didn't get a protector right away because I wanted to see what using the new screen was like. Well, within a week I got a scratch on the screen that is there to this day. Not a huge one, but still. That scratch is now protected with the rest of the screen under clear crystal film. No problems with the film interfering with touch performance by the way.
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
This.
I've said things like this over the months in bits and pieces. But this post encapsulates all of that quite nicely. Thank you!
I have always used a plastic shield and I can tell you without a doubt the iPhone is not difficult to scratch. When I replaced my 2G iPhone with the 3GS I didn't get a protector right away because I wanted to see what using the new screen was like. Well, within a week I got a scratch on the screen that is there to this day. Not a huge one, but still. That scratch is now protected with the rest of the screen under clear crystal film. No problems with the film interfering with touch performance by the way.
Yeah I know, I hear that Apple is going to close down all the iPhone Screen Protector factories all around the world. and they are going to file a petition to write it into the constitution to stop people or companies from making or selling screen protectors for iPhone.
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More and more, Apple seems to be ignoring what people want in favor of what Steve Jobs is convinced they should want--Flash on the iPhone/Touch/iPad, user-replaceable batteries, support for more audio and video codecs. And now this.
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
They make claims that their aluminum casing is super strong to but you don't see them baning laptop case makers..
Not a scratch on the glass. Never used a screen protector or any kind of case that covered the screen.
There are a few nicks on the back though.
I think these things just take up valuable shelf space and that is one reason along with the probable reason that Apple just finds them worthless now.
There are some slicksters in the malls with their little mobile kiosks that would gladly take your money though.
you guys are all insane. My iPhone 2G got scratched the first week, I got a screen protector. My GF's touch has a huge scratch in the front because was kept with keys without a protection.
Also, the oleophobic coating feels sticky when you drag something, the screen protector makes easier.
But again, you're all insane, you can't be THAT much of a Cool Aid drinker for a company that CHARGES you for products. Seriously.
Devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch (and now the iPod nano screen) use tempered optical glass, which has a Mohs hardness scale rating of 7-8, which puts it into the same class as quartz, but below Topaz, and of course diamond. Regular glass is down around 3-5 Mohs, mild steel is usually around 4-5 Mohs and hardened (carbonized) steel is around 7-8 Mohs. So for the screen to scratch you had to have it come into contact with something that was higher on the Mohs scale than the screen. Usually that's a diamond ring, an emery board, or some kind of mineral or other. I repeatedly take out my small pocket knife which has stainless steel fittings and rub it back and forth across my 1st gen screen to show how tough the screen is. NOTE: do not do this to your later models with the oleophobic coating - for some reason the coating makes the scratches more obvious than on the plain glass of the 1st gen..
Most keys are made out of a form of brass - which is lower on the Mohs scale than steel, so it categorically wasn't the keys that scratched the screen. It could have been the steel in the keyring, or something else, but most definitely not the keys.
I do have a friend who is one of those folks who insists on squeezing the phone with her shoulder against her ear, which is ok - except she wears diamond earrings, which put a series of small but visible scratches in her screen. I recommended she put a film on to put a sacrificial layer between the diamond and the glass. Since the plastic film is resilient and therefore less prone to scratching by the diamonds, it works fine.
So if you get sand in your pocket, drop it outside where there is a wide mix of minerals to contact - chances are good you will find something that will scratch the screen if you don't keep it clean and debris-free.
As for drinking the koolaid, try this on for size. Apple gets to decide what they think is best for their products and what third party products they want in their stores. You as a consumer get to decide what is best for your use of that product - but that doesn't mean that Apple has to meet your every whim or expectation simply because you want something that they choose to not stock in their stores. Seriously. What a ridiculous response.
The Apple Store and Retail stores are just that. They are stores. As a retailer they get to choose what they sell or what they do not sell.
They have chosen not to stock screen protectors anymore. For whatever reason I don't care. But it's their prerogative as a retailer.
This seems like a silly move. If the iPhone / iPod Touch screens don't need a film protector they won't sell. I have an iPhone 3G and after using it for a few days, I added an anti-glare, anti-fingerprint screen protector because I couldn't stand the glare or fingerprints.
Apple's censors are hard at work. They should simply let the customer decide whether they need a protector or not.
They are removing them from the Apple Retail Stores, not declaring a world-wide ban on them by all suppliers. Sheesh. I mean really - do you get this worked up over Target or some other retailer not carrying something you think you need? And it's not like there aren't copious other sources even more convenient than the local Apple Store to purchase these through. You get to choose where you buy them from - it just simply won't be your local Apple Retailer. Try instead the much more widely available Target, WalMart, Best Buy, MicroCenter or online at Amazon or dozens of other outlets. Time to take your chill-pill.
This seems like a silly move. If the iPhone / iPod Touch screens don't need a film protector they won't sell. I have an iPhone 3G and after using it for a few days, I added an anti-glare, anti-fingerprint screen protector because I couldn't stand the glare or fingerprints.
Most people put them on because they think they need them. Same as extended warranties - if they were such a good deal, why do companies push them so hard?
It's like people who put stupid cases on an iPhone negating one of it's best features (thinness/small size) and when some of those same cases end up reducing the effectiveness of the radio suddenly it's Apple who designed a bad phone
Apple's censors are hard at work.
No, their buyers are hard at work and they decided not to sell useless products.
It would be like Best Buy deciding to stop selling Monster Cables.
What a concept, thinking of your customer instead of just taking advantage of them and making a buck....
They should simply let the customer decide whether they need a protector or not.
They aren't eliminating them from the market - if you want one you can still find them in plenty of places. By selling them they could be seen as endorsing them, and I can understand that they don't want to be seen as doing such. I don't blame them.
Im not sure what is more rediculous, apples ban or the fanboys stupid excusses. Its a company, not your parents, move on.
On the other what is more ridiculous the inability to spell check on the fly, or toss-off another lame fanboy comment without real merit.
... Most keys are made out of a form of brass - which is lower on the Mohs scale than steel, so it categorically wasn't the keys that scratched the screen. It could have been the steel in the keyring, or something else, but most definitely not the keys. ... if you get sand in your pocket, drop it outside where there is a wide mix of minerals to contact - chances are good you will find something that will scratch the screen if you don't keep it clean and debris-free. ...
Game point, and match!
Funny how facts, logic, and a reasonable argument can destroy most of the posts on the thread.
Devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch (and now the iPod nano screen) use tempered optical glass, which has a Mohs hardness scale rating of 7-8, which puts it into the same class as quartz, but below Topaz, and of course diamond. Regular glass is down around 3-5 Mohs, mild steel is usually around 4-5 Mohs and hardened (carbonized) steel is around 7-8 Mohs. So for the screen to scratch you had to have it come into contact with something that was higher on the Mohs scale than the screen. Usually that's a diamond ring, an emery board, or some kind of mineral or other?As for drinking the koolaid, try this on for size. Apple gets to decide what they think is best for their products and what third party products they want in their stores. You as a consumer get to decide what is best for your use of that product - but that doesn't mean that Apple has to meet your every whim or expectation simply because you want something that they choose to not stock in their stores. Seriously. What a ridiculous response.
Superbly put. Thank you.
I would like to suggest that Apple's latest move is to ensure that more people don't use products that alter their functionality as they were designed. By keeping such items on their own shelves makes it very difficult for a Genius/service rep to explain to a disgruntled customer that that film protector they bought is now blocking the multi-touch function on their iPhone/iPod touch.
they must be either hindering some soon to come feature (perhaps more exact touch controls), or perhaps they have their own alternative screen protection coming out in the near future.
other than that, I cant see why they would do this, they don't tend to be idiots in their product decisions
You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
Thank you...
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
GOD I couldn't agree with this more!! Chances are APPLE knows what makes a good product better the you or I or anyone else pissed off at their iPhone cause their favorite porn site uses flash.
If you don't like it DON'T buy it.
The halting of protector sales because it masks oleophobic coating is like saying Apple should ban iPod cases because it hides the glossy chrome feature on the device's back.
iLounge often seems to have an anti-Apple, pro-accessory bias, possibly connected to their advertising revenue. I say ?seems? because I?m not ready to pass definite judgement on that.
But leave it to iLounge to use the inflammatory word ?ban? for a store simply deciding what to sell! I guess 99% of all Mac products are ?banned by Apple? because they?re not found in Apple?s retail stores
In any case, these screen protectors are not good products in my view?not for glass screens. The odds of them helping your screen look better rather than worse are low. I?ve never heard of anyone scratching a glass iPhone screen. Plastic screens?sure. But glass is the future.
So... Apple decides not to sell that particular kind of product. Is that some kind of big deal?
Hey! don't try to confuse the issue with logic!
I think the ipad all gloss will have some wanting non gloss and Apple doesn't want these big as$ boxes all over the place.
I can't think of a way to reply to this that's not really patronizing, but I feel compelled to speak up anyway.
Apple is not the kind of company that tries to give people whatever they think they want. Apple is the kind of company that makes the products it chooses ? and, just to stay on topic, that sells the products it chooses in its retail stores.
This is not "losing it." This is what folks call a "business plan." We're going to make products that we think are really cool, Apple metaphorically says, and if people buy them, then we'll make money.
Apple subsequently makes a lot of money. Piles and piles of money.
You're of course more than welcome to say, "I don't like the fact that Apple makes these choices, rather than catering to my every whim." That's your power as a consumer. You can take your dollars and go elsewhere with them. But it is kind of ? forgive me ? stupid to criticize the fundamental tenet of the business plan that's made Apple one of the most consistently successful companies out there.
They might be doing something different from what you'd prefer. But they're not doing it wrong.
This.
I've said things like this over the months in bits and pieces. But this post encapsulates all of that quite nicely. Thank you!
I have always used a plastic shield and I can tell you without a doubt the iPhone is not difficult to scratch. When I replaced my 2G iPhone with the 3GS I didn't get a protector right away because I wanted to see what using the new screen was like. Well, within a week I got a scratch on the screen that is there to this day. Not a huge one, but still. That scratch is now protected with the rest of the screen under clear crystal film. No problems with the film interfering with touch performance by the way.
Yeah I know, I hear that Apple is going to close down all the iPhone Screen Protector factories all around the world. and they are going to file a petition to write it into the constitution to stop people or companies from making or selling screen protectors for iPhone.
I am so angry right now.