Prototype iPhone was left at bar by Apple software engineer

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  • Reply 141 of 161
    rshmitrshmit Posts: 1member
    Gizmodo could have been a lot smarter about this situation. What would have been so wrong

    with making a little "deal" with Apple? Samples for the staff-A few secrets a day or two before

    the next couple of big releases. It would have been a lot easier than what they are going to have

    to deal with now & less repercussions.

    Just saying-
  • Reply 142 of 161
    Guys, for the last time, this is not the case design. This is a prototype-only case with the real internals, made for testing. IT WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THIS.
  • Reply 143 of 161
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    Hey ya jerk!

    What ya doin' posted our secrets around the internets for?



    Not only does Germany have some of the most gorgeous down-to-earth-take-home-to-meet-mom girls on the planet *....



    ...but even the English agree (WorldCup '06 headlines in Britain), that Germany makes the finest beer on the planet! Considering the total consumption at the WC06, which I believe is a world record, and my all-to-often personal experiences... you MUST be careful!



    A couple of those mugs will knock the average Bud or Miller drinker to his knees, if the beauty and um... "assets" of the Kelnerin doesn't do it first!



    * Disclosure: my reason for being here in the first place: I was a souvenir to a still, 20-years later gorgeous, "au pair" I met in LA.



    PS. Every red, blue, yellow, green (whatever) blooded guy should make it their goal to make a pilgrimage to the one-n-only Oktoberfest in Munich at least once in their lives. Give yourself a few days (BEFORE!), and visit the BMW Museum outside of Munich, and also Ingolstadt (Audi), and possibly Stuttgart (Mercedes & Porsche). What more could a guy want: Beautiful cars, great girls, and fantastic beer and fun! (You may adjust adjectives to your liking.)



    So naïve, unsophisticated and honest that there is nothing to add to it. Right on!
  • Reply 144 of 161
    Let's see -- they had the name of the guy who lost it, access to his Facebook account, and the knowledge that he is an Apple employee, but they just couldn't figure out how to return it to him? They made a generic call to Apple instead?



    I don't think their claim of making a good-faith effort to return it holds much water.
  • Reply 145 of 161
    mobycatmobycat Posts: 57member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GiandaliaJr View Post


    You sound like a first year law student. A + B = C. Not quite the case. Gizmodo allegedly paid to handle the device (i.e. take pictures), not own it. They even called the owner to "return it". Even though they probably only called to get a confirmation on the device they still appear to have the intention to return in. So no there was no sale of stolen property.



    I'm sure there might be something illegal about the whole situation, maybe something to do with exposing trade secrets. I'm sure Gizmodo's attorneys know the risks of what they did and made a gamble. It's interesting that they didnt post information about the internal parts, other than the battery size and SD card. No RAM information, no processor type, nothing really to tell us about the new inner-workings other than what is already apparent from the outside (i.e. something that would be apparent to a "finder").



    I'm by no means an expert on this but its pretty ridiculous to say these people are criminally liable. Its not like someone broke into apple, stole a iPhone 4G and sold it to the highest bidder. There was a lost phone, some pictures were taken, and the phone is going to be returned.



    If the finder gave the phone to Gizmodo and did not get it back - that was in essence selling it to them - both could conceivably be charged with Receiving Stolen Property. Gizmodo also took the thing apart - that *could* be considered destruction of property.



    I'm no expert, either... but if you've got a gung-ho police officer or DA, they could bring something up.
  • Reply 146 of 161
    ochymingochyming Posts: 474member
    Why computer engineers love beer?



    Who is fool enough to make money selling a iPhone prototype if he (women are not that dumb) could just personally take it back to  and ask politely for a free mac pro (even second hand one) + a display, i would have tried that move instead.
  • Reply 147 of 161
    isaidsoisaidso Posts: 750member
  • Reply 148 of 161
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DoctorBenway View Post


    The Irish make better beer.



    Not better... but definitely on the same level if you fancy a Dark Lager or Malted.



    Reason: you're a Back to the Future fan? Never woulda thought it
  • Reply 149 of 161
    munciemuncie Posts: 47member
    Feeding the conspiracy, is it mere coincidence that "American Beer" is the 99 cent movie on iTunes/ AppleTV this week? Further, one of the characters goes into a bar and gets introduced to "German Beer" (though its actually a Heineken).



    Does the software engineer look like a Canadian who looks like Ferris Bueller? That would clinch it.
  • Reply 150 of 161
    nasdarqnasdarq Posts: 137member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DoctorBenway View Post


    The Irish make better beer.



    All this talk is only relevant as long as one does not know Leffe, or Hoegaarden, or Kwak.
  • Reply 151 of 161
    jumejume Posts: 209member
    Dear folkz,



    1. CHARGES

    No one will get sued or charged about this, because this was a PLANNED LEAK. Do you think that the company, which gets insane about their security, would let a young SW engineer to carry a top secret product prototype off the campus? No way they would! Not long ago there was an article on how far Apple goes regarding access to the prototype products...

    And if he accidentally managed to sneak the prototype out and did what he did - LOST, would he still be working for APPLE? Not in any way. I would personally fire him to make a case for other employees. Steve would freaked out 10 times faster. People got fired at apple for putting unintentional words in emails that accidentally leaked. It was a planned leak for sure.



    2. GIZMODO and APPL

    Why exactly would Gizmodo get this and no one else? Apple (Steve) and GIZMODO were always in good relations. Gizmodo's always playing nice on Apple products, and Apple regards them back with priceless marketing at the keynotes.

    By looking at the CA law, everything done here is a crime. I don't think Apple would be hesitating on suing GIZMODO directly, if they would be so unhappy, hurt and robbed with this leak.



    3. THE iPHONE 4G DESIGN

    The leaked iPhone DESIGN is not FINAL. They need to have something to show at the WWDC keynote as well.... It's a prototype case and there are too many factors on this design that isn't something Apple would release. Altough I like it a loot. It needs a little polish, but I think I love it more then current design. The leak was only to show to the world that iPhone is getting 1 major feature - VIDEO CHAT! Of course along with other cool upgrades - better camera, better battery, bla bla (but we all knew that new iPhone will be having better these).



    4. LEAK

    This wouldn't be the first ever planned leak from Apple. It came in the right time. At the launch of new HTC phones... Everyone just wants a 4G iPhone now. Me too . So this is another good fact that this was a carefully planned PR move.
  • Reply 152 of 161
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,012member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    This isn't an iPhone news story.



    It's the guy's obituary.



    Unless it was intentional. In which case it sets an odd example for other Apple employees.



    Well said.
  • Reply 153 of 161
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nasdarq View Post


    All this talk is only relevant as long as one does not know Leffe, or Hoegaarden, or Kwak.



    I like Hoegaarden much more than Leffe and I've never tried Kwak. But I still prefer a nice Tetley's or Boddington's, and Guinness hits the spot every once in a while. Kilkenny gets honorable mention.
  • Reply 154 of 161
    I'm actually pretty disgusted by how this was handled.



    Instead of attempting to return a phone to someone who lost it, the person who found it acts like a thief and pokes around with it. Upon discovery that it was a prototype, the person offers it for sale to the highest bidder rather than contacting Apple. Apple may have been generous and given the guy a free laptop or some other perk.



    As someone with a journalism background, I'm dismayed that the quest for information on the latest gadget has completely overwhelmed common decency. I wish I never looked at Gizmodo yesterday.



    Also, the kid from NC State made an honest mistake. I hope Apple recognizes that there are human beings involved in life instead of just gadgets. At least they proved the value of the technology to brick a phone remotely.



    This will hopefully be an eye opener to everyone involved.
  • Reply 155 of 161
    naboozlenaboozle Posts: 213member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ktappe View Post


    A 27 year old has never had German beer before??



    Apple doesn't let them out much.
  • Reply 156 of 161
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,275moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post


    Why would Apple allow a low level software engineer to take the phone off campus? Unless he's some sort of genius prodigy, a 27 year old is likely only a level 2 engineer... Not someone they would let field test such a high profile device...



    He either stole it (smuggled it off campus), or more likely, this whole story is bogus.



    He was a baseband developer, possibly testing the carrier connection in the field.



    It seems like a genuine mistake but imagine the scenario if you are a company like Microsoft and want to one-up the master of secrets by unveiling an HP Slate that looks very similar to an iPad months before or revealing the spec and design of their flagship mobile device months before, you'd consider paying a young developer to accidentally leave it somewhere.



    This way Microsoft's launch of WP7 targets devices that have a 2 month jump on matching/rivalling the 4th gen iPhone.



    Genuine mistake or not, someone along the line is in a whole lot of trouble. Gizmodo have no defense here. Who would believe that a well-informed gadget site wasn't aware that an unreleased device from the most secretive company in the world wasn't stolen?



    If this was a mistake by the developer and not deliberate, I hope he isn't fired for it. People make mistakes - he should simply have field-testing privileges revoked or only be allowed to test prototype units. An investigation is likely and it could go beyond this one thing. If the developer in question did this deliberately, he may also have leaked baseband details for people unlocking the phone in the past.



    I don't think the leak has dampened the hype though. Exactly the opposite.
  • Reply 157 of 161
    echosonicechosonic Posts: 462member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spinoza2 View Post


    I'm sorry folks, that is not the next iPhone, there's no way that was made by Apple. You can tell a mile away that it's not a Jony Ive design. I'm not sure how this story about the Apple engineer fits into it, it's possible--knowing the source (Gizmodo)--that the whole thing is concocted. Believing a Gizmodo story about an Apple product would be like believing a Fox News news release about Obama.



    Oh yeah? How about an MSNBC or ABC or CBS or NPR or CNN story about Bush? Would it be like that too? huh?
  • Reply 158 of 161
    echosonicechosonic Posts: 462member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Small.



    As I (vaguely) recall, ThinkSecret was some Harvard undergrad dorm type of outfit.



    Gawker/Gizmodo are much larger, and more serious business. (For instance, Katie Couric does not simply refer to random web outlets in her nightly news reports). They will fight, and like crazy. It will, imho, end up being the kind of 'free press vs. corporate suits' battle that Apple will be unwise to take on. David v. Goliath.



    Not dissimilar to, say, Obama taking on the Drudge Report.



    Apple has better things to do. It should pick its battles. The sales of the next gen iPhone are not going to be affected one iota by this. Smile, shrug, say 'no comment,' and move on.



    How do you figure, and who exactly is David?



    Gawker is a business. They sell ad space based upon how many people they can draw to watch their website.



    Pretending to be "impartial" or any other such nonsense is pretentious arrogant collegiate-level crap.



    There is no such thing as a "Journalist". They are vultures. They are self-righteous incestuous academic wannabes who struggle to manipulate opinion at every turn.



    There hasn't been an actual "report" from an actual "reporter" given to the public since the 1930s.



    Once Hearst realized he could manipulate public opinion by slanting the language, Journalism was born.
  • Reply 159 of 161
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iLoveStuff View Post


    Gizmodo, wow, what a bunch of a-holes.



    Agreed, "hey man, we held your phone for you! Well true, we did take it all apart & post pictures of it all over the internet. Yeah our actions may yet cost you your job, but at least we got a good story out of it!"
  • Reply 160 of 161
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jume View Post


    Dear folkz,



    1. CHARGES

    No one will get sued or charged about this, because this was a PLANNED LEAK. Do you think that the company, which gets insane about their security, would let a young SW engineer to carry a top secret product prototype off the campus? No way they would! Not long ago there was an article on how far Apple goes regarding access to the prototype products...

    And if he accidentally managed to sneak the prototype out and did what he did - LOST, would he still be working for APPLE? Not in any way. I would personally fire him to make a case for other employees. Steve would freaked out 10 times faster. People got fired at apple for putting unintentional words in emails that accidentally leaked. It was a planned leak for sure.



    2. GIZMODO and APPL

    Why exactly would Gizmodo get this and no one else? Apple (Steve) and GIZMODO were always in good relations. Gizmodo's always playing nice on Apple products, and Apple regards them back with priceless marketing at the keynotes.

    By looking at the CA law, everything done here is a crime. I don't think Apple would be hesitating on suing GIZMODO directly, if they would be so unhappy, hurt and robbed with this leak.



    3. THE iPHONE 4G DESIGN

    The leaked iPhone DESIGN is not FINAL. They need to have something to show at the WWDC keynote as well.... It's a prototype case and there are too many factors on this design that isn't something Apple would release. Altough I like it a loot. It needs a little polish, but I think I love it more then current design. The leak was only to show to the world that iPhone is getting 1 major feature - VIDEO CHAT! Of course along with other cool upgrades - better camera, better battery, bla bla (but we all knew that new iPhone will be having better these).



    4. LEAK

    This wouldn't be the first ever planned leak from Apple. It came in the right time. At the launch of new HTC phones... Everyone just wants a 4G iPhone now. Me too . So this is another good fact that this was a carefully planned PR move.



    It would be a great hoax. If Apple and Giz were in bed together on this it would be really great for Gizmodo. Suddenly all the people here that became Giz haters overnight would have to start loving Gizmodo.
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