It's pretty obvious you are playing fast and loose with the facts here and that you have a definite agenda so I'm not going to respond after this. It's sunny outside anyway so why anyone would want to stay in and argue with trolls in the dark is beyond me.
I said this:
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
If we are talking about truth, then it needs to be pointed out that you are spinning it fairly hard here.
Yes, it's technically true that Adobe is part of the team working very hard on HTML5, but you fail to mention that they are at the same time, working to push the HTML5 group away from using or developing the "Canvas" element which is the part of HTML5 that would basically replace Flash animations on the web.
"Adobe is working hard on making sure that Flash animations don't get replaced by HTML5's Canvas element." (and thus make the Flash plugin obsolete), would be the closest to a true and accurate statement.
And you said in reply (somewhat ironically):
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Originally Posted by GrooveTube
Nonsense. Just because someone reported it as some kind of fact, doesn't make it so. Oh wait, look at! Flash CS5 exports to html canvas? Say it ain't so...
It's your statement that is total nonsense here. The quote you reference is just some guy (with an agenda also), who says that Adobe isn't sabotaging or delaying HTML5 canvas discussions. But it's in response to someone else who says they are. It's a much more involved and complicated situation that that of course, but they are both just "things that people said," and not necessarily facts. It's idiotic to take the word of one person and decry the word of another without any factual basis either way.
When you look at the actual facts and what actually has been happening, *most* people involved in the discussions and following them seem to believe that Adobe is delaying the spec. The canvas part of the spec is in fact delayed, and again *most* people ascribe this to Adobe's actions and influence on the working group. I tend to take the word of tech columnists like John Gruber and numerous others around the web rather than an anonymous troll on a forum. Adobe clearly has an obvious and very large interest in holding the canvas spec back, they are on the working group, and the spec is in fact being held back for lack of agreement, but also lack of discussion. The balance of the facts agree with the interpretation that Adobe might be playing games here. At least that's the way it looks at the moment.
The second part of your statement is just a lie. The page you reference doesn't even have the word "export" on the entire page so I don't see how it can be used as support for the statement that Adobe CS5 supports exporting to canvas from Flash.
While Adobe does support some elements of canvas with it's products, to directly imply as you have done, that you can load up your animation in Flash and click a button to export it as a canvas element that you can plop into an HTML5 page the same way as you can drop in a flash element is just false.
There is nothing inherent in Flash that it cannot be replaced.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all of Flash can't be replaced at this time. It will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) dominate modern browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen. Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
When everyone else is supporting a competing technology, yes it does. I'm not sure why that's difficult to understand.
why is this sooo hard to understand.
It's veeeery simple. Adobe, supports HTML5. Very much so. They would be silly, not to.
They also, have a product called flash. And you, like everyone else, continue to pit flash vs html5. At some point, people will begin to wake up, and realize, this flash vs html5, is the stuff of pap fed to people who don't truly understand web development.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all currently in Flash can be replaced but it will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) capable browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
you could go on to say that any technology, any of it, can be replaced. Should we clap our hands at this explosive revelation?
This mere fact isn't a slam dunk that it -will- get replaced. Technologies that continue to present great ROI, and developers love working within the development platforms, will continue to win. I have no crystal ball so I couldn't tell you which they'll be in 5 years. It'll be an interesting 5 years though.
It's pretty obvious you are playing fast and loose with the facts here and that you have a definite agenda so I'm not going to respond after this. It's sunny outside anyway so why anyone would want to stay in and argue with trolls in the dark is beyond me.
I said this:
And you said in reply (somewhat ironically):
It's your statement that is total nonsense here. The quote you reference is just some guy (with an agenda also), who says that Adobe isn't sabotaging or delaying HTML5 canvas discussions. But it's in response to someone else who says they are. It's a much more involved and complicated situation that that of course, but they are both just "things that people said," and not necessarily facts. It's idiotic to take the word of one person and decry the word of another without any factual basis either way.
When you look at the actual facts and what actually has been happening, *most* people involved in the discussions and following them seem to believe that Adobe is delaying the spec. The canvas part of the spec is in fact delayed, and again *most* people ascribe this to Adobe's actions and influence on the working group. I tend to take the word of tech columnists like John Gruber and numerous others around the web rather than an anonymous troll on a forum. Adobe clearly has an obvious and very large interest in holding the canvas spec back, they are on the working group, and the spec is in fact being held back for lack of agreement, but also lack of discussion. The balance of the facts agree with the interpretation that Adobe might be playing games here. At least that's the way it looks at the moment.
The second part of your statement is just a lie. The page you reference doesn't even have the word "export" on the entire page so I don't see how it can be used as support for the statement that Adobe CS5 supports exporting to canvas from Flash.
While Adobe does support some elements of canvas with it's products, to directly imply as you have done, that you can load up your animation in Flash and click a button to export it as a canvas element that you can plop into an HTML5 page the same way as you can drop in a flash element is just false.
Did you bother to read what I posted?
a. it wasn't a 'guy', and b, can you enlighten us as to how Shelly Powers has 'an agenda'?
But generally I find people when faced with facts tend to run to 'you have an agenda', name calling, and other tactics. Keep your eye on the actual subject matter rather than resorting this kind of silliness.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all of Flash can't be replaced at this time. It will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) dominate modern browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen. Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
But generally I find people when faced with facts tend to run to 'you have an agenda', name calling, and other tactics. Keep your eye on the actual subject matter rather than resorting this kind of silliness.
....says the kid who does nothing but spew caustic comments without forming a single cogent argument in any posts.
I think someone might be getting himself worked up for the ban hammer.
Yes all technology gets replaced. Nothing lasts. Flash is dragging around 10 year old code. You are not going to be successful on the new mobile device market carrying around 10 year old legacy crap.
Adobe should have rehauled the old Flash into a brand new Flash. That's in effect what they are trying to do. But they are taking too long. No one is going to sit around waiting for them.
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Originally Posted by Groovetube
you could go on to say that any technology, any of it, can be replaced. Should we clap our hands at this explosive revelation?
This mere fact isn't a slam dunk that it -will- get replaced. Technologies that continue to present great ROI, and developers love working within the development platforms, will continue to win. I have no crystal ball so I couldn't tell you which they'll be in 5 years. It'll be an interesting 5 years though.
Yes all technology gets replaced. Nothing lasts. Flash is dragging around 10 year old code. You are not going to be successful on the new mobile device market carrying around 10 year old legacy crap.
Adobe should have rehauled the old Flash into a brand new Flash. That's in effect what they are trying to do. But they are taking too long. No one is going to sit around waiting for them.
actually, many are. Almost every interactive shop I'm aware of, is. That's why I said, it all rests on adobe now. If they blow this, well, we could very well see a slow demise of flash.
Personally, I'll use whatever technology, that makes sense, makes me money, and clients continue to ask for. If apple comes up with a flash killer, and it's awesome, great I say.
I just find a lot of mistruths are thrown around, and regardless of what your personal likes are, it serves no real purpose. If flash truly sucks, and deserves to be killed, well, it'll be a slow messy death is about all I can say
actually, many are. Almost every interactive shop I'm aware of, is.
They are not waiting for Flash to improve they just not have found it necessary to replace yet. Once they find it in their interest to change they will.
If they want to build a mobile website (which is becoming more necessary as smart phones sales are expected to match computer sales soon) Flash is not an option at all.
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I just find a lot of mistruths are thrown around, and regardless of what your personal likes are, it serves no real purpose. If flash truly sucks, and deserves to be killed, well, it'll be a slow messy death is about all I can say
I don't have anything personally against Flash. But it is clear that its old technology from a different time and is not properly suited for what is happening today and in the near future.
Read more than just Steve's rant. He's not made a single point that hasn't been torn asunder across the web. Only the lay press and fanbois fail to question His Steveness....
It's never been necessary for him to make ANY point on this at all. He only reiterated what everyone has known (as I said) for a very long time.
On a separate note: your lemming like attitude, with use of terms like "His Steveness" and the (still popular with the mindless), "fanbois" , show your incredible lack of maturity in addition to your lack of facts.
They are not waiting for Flash to improve they just not have found it necessary to replace yet. Once they find it in their interest to change they will.
If they want to build a mobile website (which is becoming more necessary as smart phones sales are expected to match computer sales soon) Flash is not an option at all.
Wrong. You talk as though apple owns 90% of the mobile space. They don't, well yet, but they're certainly giving it a real go. One of the things I've noticed, is a very strong interest lately in android, which will have flash very shortly, as well as likely all the other mobile platforms. So apple will be the only one without. Of course, it'll remain to be seen, how well that plays out. From what I saw, if I were a betting man, I'd say flash has far more a chance than you think. This isn't a bias, it's just an observation, from someone who has been making a living in this industry for 15 odd years. We'll see I guess.
I don't have anything personally against Flash. But it is clear that its old technology from a different time and is not properly suited for what is happening today and in the near future.
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
It's never been necessary for him to make ANY point on this at all. He only reiterated what everyone has known (as I said) for a very long time.
On a separate note: your lemming like attitude, with use of terms like "His Steveness" and the (still popular with the mindless), "fanbois" , show your incredible lack of maturity in addition to your lack of facts.
Oh well. One more for the ignore.
I find it interesting SJ even found it necessary to post his "thoughts", which are well known to be inaccurate. The very fact the he, and his followers continue to parrot them as fact, is proof positive that this whole thing stinks top down. Dislike flash all you like, but let's get real here.
I've loved the apple platform for a long time. I was one of the few web developers nearly a decade ago that switched over, but Jaguar turned my head. I continue to like apple and it's platforms. But this nonsense, has left a bad taste in my mouth, and certainly many who know the real deal on things.
Why bother mouthing off like that in public, I mean, really. I was surprised and disappointed in SJ when I saw that. Personally, I thought he should have just kept it to himself. Flash is gonna die anyway right? right???
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
...says the guy who decided to use general claims about Flash when specific examples of open standards being more efficient. :rollseyes:
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Because HTML5 is a totally new rewritten HTML. They just tack on new code to old Flash code.
How am I parroting Steve when there is clear evidence? Android, Symbian, iPhone, soon Blackberry OS all have HTML5 supported web browsers. None can fully support Flash. This is simply the truth.
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Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
I'm not even arguing that Flash is going to go away. I believe it will be used for some time to come. But it won't hold the same role at had in the past.
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I said this:
If we are talking about truth, then it needs to be pointed out that you are spinning it fairly hard here.
Yes, it's technically true that Adobe is part of the team working very hard on HTML5, but you fail to mention that they are at the same time, working to push the HTML5 group away from using or developing the "Canvas" element which is the part of HTML5 that would basically replace Flash animations on the web.
"Adobe is working hard on making sure that Flash animations don't get replaced by HTML5's Canvas element." (and thus make the Flash plugin obsolete), would be the closest to a true and accurate statement.
And you said in reply (somewhat ironically):
Nonsense. Just because someone reported it as some kind of fact, doesn't make it so. Oh wait, look at! Flash CS5 exports to html canvas? Say it ain't so...
It's your statement that is total nonsense here. The quote you reference is just some guy (with an agenda also), who says that Adobe isn't sabotaging or delaying HTML5 canvas discussions. But it's in response to someone else who says they are. It's a much more involved and complicated situation that that of course, but they are both just "things that people said," and not necessarily facts. It's idiotic to take the word of one person and decry the word of another without any factual basis either way.
When you look at the actual facts and what actually has been happening, *most* people involved in the discussions and following them seem to believe that Adobe is delaying the spec. The canvas part of the spec is in fact delayed, and again *most* people ascribe this to Adobe's actions and influence on the working group. I tend to take the word of tech columnists like John Gruber and numerous others around the web rather than an anonymous troll on a forum. Adobe clearly has an obvious and very large interest in holding the canvas spec back, they are on the working group, and the spec is in fact being held back for lack of agreement, but also lack of discussion. The balance of the facts agree with the interpretation that Adobe might be playing games here. At least that's the way it looks at the moment.
The second part of your statement is just a lie. The page you reference doesn't even have the word "export" on the entire page so I don't see how it can be used as support for the statement that Adobe CS5 supports exporting to canvas from Flash.
While Adobe does support some elements of canvas with it's products, to directly imply as you have done, that you can load up your animation in Flash and click a button to export it as a canvas element that you can plop into an HTML5 page the same way as you can drop in a flash element is just false.
There is nothing inherent in Flash that it cannot be replaced.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all of Flash can't be replaced at this time. It will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) dominate modern browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen. Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
When everyone else is supporting a competing technology, yes it does. I'm not sure why that's difficult to understand.
why is this sooo hard to understand.
It's veeeery simple. Adobe, supports HTML5. Very much so. They would be silly, not to.
They also, have a product called flash. And you, like everyone else, continue to pit flash vs html5. At some point, people will begin to wake up, and realize, this flash vs html5, is the stuff of pap fed to people who don't truly understand web development.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all currently in Flash can be replaced but it will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) capable browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
you could go on to say that any technology, any of it, can be replaced. Should we clap our hands at this explosive revelation?
This mere fact isn't a slam dunk that it -will- get replaced. Technologies that continue to present great ROI, and developers love working within the development platforms, will continue to win. I have no crystal ball so I couldn't tell you which they'll be in 5 years. It'll be an interesting 5 years though.
It's pretty obvious you are playing fast and loose with the facts here and that you have a definite agenda so I'm not going to respond after this. It's sunny outside anyway so why anyone would want to stay in and argue with trolls in the dark is beyond me.
I said this:
And you said in reply (somewhat ironically):
It's your statement that is total nonsense here. The quote you reference is just some guy (with an agenda also), who says that Adobe isn't sabotaging or delaying HTML5 canvas discussions. But it's in response to someone else who says they are. It's a much more involved and complicated situation that that of course, but they are both just "things that people said," and not necessarily facts. It's idiotic to take the word of one person and decry the word of another without any factual basis either way.
When you look at the actual facts and what actually has been happening, *most* people involved in the discussions and following them seem to believe that Adobe is delaying the spec. The canvas part of the spec is in fact delayed, and again *most* people ascribe this to Adobe's actions and influence on the working group. I tend to take the word of tech columnists like John Gruber and numerous others around the web rather than an anonymous troll on a forum. Adobe clearly has an obvious and very large interest in holding the canvas spec back, they are on the working group, and the spec is in fact being held back for lack of agreement, but also lack of discussion. The balance of the facts agree with the interpretation that Adobe might be playing games here. At least that's the way it looks at the moment.
The second part of your statement is just a lie. The page you reference doesn't even have the word "export" on the entire page so I don't see how it can be used as support for the statement that Adobe CS5 supports exporting to canvas from Flash.
While Adobe does support some elements of canvas with it's products, to directly imply as you have done, that you can load up your animation in Flash and click a button to export it as a canvas element that you can plop into an HTML5 page the same way as you can drop in a flash element is just false.
Did you bother to read what I posted?
a. it wasn't a 'guy', and b, can you enlighten us as to how Shelly Powers has 'an agenda'?
Thanks.
oh, and google flash cs5 export canvas.
it's tough I know.
But generally I find people when faced with facts tend to run to 'you have an agenda', name calling, and other tactics. Keep your eye on the actual subject matter rather than resorting this kind of silliness.
True, but he did use the word 'just' which indicates to me that realizes that all of Flash can't be replaced at this time. It will take a good deal of time and effort to get (from soonest to longest) dominate modern browser marketshare, solid frameworks built, and rich dev tools before that will happen. Or maybe I'm reading too much into that adverb.
it's tough I know.
But generally I find people when faced with facts tend to run to 'you have an agenda', name calling, and other tactics. Keep your eye on the actual subject matter rather than resorting this kind of silliness.
....says the kid who does nothing but spew caustic comments without forming a single cogent argument in any posts.
I think someone might be getting himself worked up for the ban hammer.
Adobe should have rehauled the old Flash into a brand new Flash. That's in effect what they are trying to do. But they are taking too long. No one is going to sit around waiting for them.
you could go on to say that any technology, any of it, can be replaced. Should we clap our hands at this explosive revelation?
This mere fact isn't a slam dunk that it -will- get replaced. Technologies that continue to present great ROI, and developers love working within the development platforms, will continue to win. I have no crystal ball so I couldn't tell you which they'll be in 5 years. It'll be an interesting 5 years though.
Yes all technology gets replaced. Nothing lasts. Flash is dragging around 10 year old code. You are not going to be successful on the new mobile device market carrying around 10 year old legacy crap.
Adobe should have rehauled the old Flash into a brand new Flash. That's in effect what they are trying to do. But they are taking too long. No one is going to sit around waiting for them.
actually, many are. Almost every interactive shop I'm aware of, is. That's why I said, it all rests on adobe now. If they blow this, well, we could very well see a slow demise of flash.
Personally, I'll use whatever technology, that makes sense, makes me money, and clients continue to ask for. If apple comes up with a flash killer, and it's awesome, great I say.
I just find a lot of mistruths are thrown around, and regardless of what your personal likes are, it serves no real purpose. If flash truly sucks, and deserves to be killed, well, it'll be a slow messy death is about all I can say
I vote for CocoaButter or TextualChocolate.
They should just ask to use the name Nutella.
actually, many are. Almost every interactive shop I'm aware of, is.
They are not waiting for Flash to improve they just not have found it necessary to replace yet. Once they find it in their interest to change they will.
If they want to build a mobile website (which is becoming more necessary as smart phones sales are expected to match computer sales soon) Flash is not an option at all.
I just find a lot of mistruths are thrown around, and regardless of what your personal likes are, it serves no real purpose. If flash truly sucks, and deserves to be killed, well, it'll be a slow messy death is about all I can say
I don't have anything personally against Flash. But it is clear that its old technology from a different time and is not properly suited for what is happening today and in the near future.
Read more than just Steve's rant. He's not made a single point that hasn't been torn asunder across the web. Only the lay press and fanbois fail to question His Steveness....
It's never been necessary for him to make ANY point on this at all. He only reiterated what everyone has known (as I said) for a very long time.
On a separate note: your lemming like attitude, with use of terms like "His Steveness" and the (still popular with the mindless), "fanbois" , show your incredible lack of maturity in addition to your lack of facts.
Oh well. One more for the ignore.
They are not waiting for Flash to improve they just not have found it necessary to replace yet. Once they find it in their interest to change they will.
If they want to build a mobile website (which is becoming more necessary as smart phones sales are expected to match computer sales soon) Flash is not an option at all.
Wrong. You talk as though apple owns 90% of the mobile space. They don't, well yet, but they're certainly giving it a real go. One of the things I've noticed, is a very strong interest lately in android, which will have flash very shortly, as well as likely all the other mobile platforms. So apple will be the only one without. Of course, it'll remain to be seen, how well that plays out. From what I saw, if I were a betting man, I'd say flash has far more a chance than you think. This isn't a bias, it's just an observation, from someone who has been making a living in this industry for 15 odd years. We'll see I guess.
I don't have anything personally against Flash. But it is clear that its old technology from a different time and is not properly suited for what is happening today and in the near future.
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
It's never been necessary for him to make ANY point on this at all. He only reiterated what everyone has known (as I said) for a very long time.
On a separate note: your lemming like attitude, with use of terms like "His Steveness" and the (still popular with the mindless), "fanbois" , show your incredible lack of maturity in addition to your lack of facts.
Oh well. One more for the ignore.
I find it interesting SJ even found it necessary to post his "thoughts", which are well known to be inaccurate. The very fact the he, and his followers continue to parrot them as fact, is proof positive that this whole thing stinks top down. Dislike flash all you like, but let's get real here.
I've loved the apple platform for a long time. I was one of the few web developers nearly a decade ago that switched over, but Jaguar turned my head. I continue to like apple and it's platforms. But this nonsense, has left a bad taste in my mouth, and certainly many who know the real deal on things.
Why bother mouthing off like that in public, I mean, really. I was surprised and disappointed in SJ when I saw that. Personally, I thought he should have just kept it to himself. Flash is gonna die anyway right? right???
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
...says the guy who decided to use general claims about Flash when specific examples of open standards being more efficient. :rollseyes:
...says the guy who decided to use general claims about Flash when specific examples of open standards being more efficient. :rollseyes:
where.
Why because Steve told you so? How is it 'old technology', compared to html? And how is the new flash stuff, 'old technology'? If you're going to bash something, let's use clear examples rather than broad insinuations. As I said, there's lots to criticize, but these broad parrots of his "Steveness" does nothing for me. The very fact That SJ even posted a response regarding flash tells me the backlash was something to be concerned about. He doth protesteth too much?
Because HTML5 is a totally new rewritten HTML. They just tack on new code to old Flash code.
How am I parroting Steve when there is clear evidence? Android, Symbian, iPhone, soon Blackberry OS all have HTML5 supported web browsers. None can fully support Flash. This is simply the truth.
Let's be clear, if flash went down, I'd be sad to see what I see as a great platform to develop in. But I'll use whatever is good, and does the job effectively. Most of my work tends to be in PHP. I'm totally down with HTML5 coming in. WHy wouldn't I be. But when it comes to developing a great interactive experience, it's tough to beat flash as an authoring platform to develop in, and it's going to take a whole lot more than yippee we can make things move in canvas to pull developers away from flash I can assure you.
I'm not even arguing that Flash is going to go away. I believe it will be used for some time to come. But it won't hold the same role at had in the past.