IMHO, iLounge's 10-page iPhone 4 review is the best out there and they praise the device (along with finding a few shortcomings) without coming across as a fanboy or unbearable critic:
I really agree with the person who pointed out that this ?review? seemed almost like press copy.
And it actually goes to the root of the problems I've had with Apple ever since they dropped the Apple II GS and pressured everybody into the Macintosh line. And that is a kind of promotional egomania based around what is now the ?i? prefix to every product, iPhone, iWork, etc. I have never argued with the PC people who taunted me for liking operating system and made it easy for me to do what I wanted. Apple is really good at making things function. The iPhone is a homerun for Apple because people can just take the damn thing up and do 80% of everything they ever wanted to do without reading the damn instructions. But I find the yuppie ego praising side of both the promotion and the admiration of superficial characteristics like looks and design cloying. I actually don't mind it being a sexy piece of machinery, but in everything from the advertising to reviews I feel like a pretty girl who's tired of hearing ?oh you're so pretty? all the time. I'd like to know the limits of multitasking, I'm concerned about Apple's censorship of sexual materials as it may slop into eventually censorship of ?questionable? apps and sites in the future that may be censorship based on politics. Excuse me if I taken the wrong opportunity to vent.
I have to agree with Ireland on comments, it not the issue so much, but the reply from SJ that irritates me. It was arrogant at least and crazy to be frank. ...
So, you are not angry except about (what you infer about), the attitude of someone you have never met, who was emailing someone else, to be?
It seems to me that the majority of angry responses on this thread are exactly this. People getting upset about things they heard, from people they don't know, about issues they haven't actually experienced. I'm not saying there might not be a problem, but if you took all these type of responses away (and their replies), the thread would be three posts long.
When you suggested it was a design flaw you most certainly did. I haven't seen one retraction from you stating you meant it was a production issue affecting only a subset of all units made.
I never said it was only a subset either. Yes, I said it's looks like it could very well be a design flaw, and their are other reports to suggest it only affect users who don't have a "very good" signal. Others are affected regardless of how good their signal is.
I also said a few times if it is fixable with a software update then more power to Apple, but on the surface it looks like it's a hardware issue, and Steve even suggested people hold them differently.
I have been clear on these points. Yet, you take one thing I said and painted my whole agenda with that, without weighing up everything I said, even on a per comment basis. Not to mention you've been spouting 'troll' at everyone like a mad idiot.
Yes, I said it's looks like it could very well be a design flaw...
No, you made absolute statements this was design flaw while using excessively large fonts and posting your vitriol in threads that had nothing to do with this issue. Hence, you were trolling, you weren't being rational or logical, and you damn well know it.
... And that is a kind of promotional egomania based around what is now the ?i? prefix to every product, iPhone, iWork, etc. ...
Uhm,someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I believe the 'i' originally stood for 'internet', not 'I', except in the one case where it stood for 'interim'. Now, it pretty much just stands for 'i' alone, as a branding thing, not some egomaniacal prefix.
Yeah, the CEO of Apple saying that it just like any ol' guy you've never met saying that. Your arguments are weaker than kittens.
I was pointing out that people are making emotional arguments based on here-say and that everyone (except DanaCameron) is angry and gonna regret some of the things they are saying now, later on.
Since you are practically the King of such angry arguments and well familiar with said remorse, I'd expect a statements like that from you.
The last time I talked to you, you were arguing very strenuously over a multi-week period that the new iPad would *have* to run the desktop OS or it would be a "complete failure." You also are very fond of making lots of criticisms of Apple products complete with remonstrations to the effect that you just won't buy them until or unless they change (insert quality of product here), and then show up later on threads with the same devices in your little virtual hands loving them to death and arguing how well designed they are.
It's just painfully obvious to me that my original assessment was correct. You, (and a lot of other folks) are just angry and not thinking straight.
Regarding the actual article, I may just get a bumper after all. I've been seeing a lot of cracked iPhone 4s on the web and a few have been from a 2 foot drop. Oddly enough all of these cracks have been on the back casing. I wonder what the differences are between the front and rear.
Ireland. GREAT POST. APPLE must make this right. Either a software fix (THAT WORKS), new phones (THAT WORK) or there will be a lot of returns. THAT would rip my heart out as I've owned Apple products since the '80s and crowed about them for many years.
you have probably been returning all apple products (THAT WORK) since the 80's since this is how apple became the largest tech company, even larger than the two before it combined MSFT and DELL. Micheal Dell should just close up shop and give all the money back to the shareholders honestly.
And since you are four posts into AI and been using apple products since the 80's can you calculate the odds to me why you think that for some reason, people who come here and troll would have the astrological chance of knowing or owning an iOS 4 device that would not work...
iAdmit that "i" might have stood for "iNternet" - but that would mean iNternetWork and iNternet Life...
I think it is closer to "me, myself and I - my,my, my - my oh my"
I love Apple products. Probably it is just a case of "iPhobia".
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Uhm,someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I believe the 'i' originally stood for 'internet', not 'I', except in the one case where it stood for 'interim'. Now, it pretty much just stands for 'i' alone, as a branding thing, not some egomaniacal prefix.
The reason why the iPhone 3G/3GS had a plastic back hasn't got anything to do with reducing costs. The real reason, surprise surprise, it's down to our friend Mr. Antenna again. The signal propagates through plastic better than it does metal (or skin ).
This is why virtually all cell phones are at least partially made from plastic. Cost is very much a secondary concern.
The clown that wrote this, thinks that metal and glass are more expensive than the high impact plastic used before. That's of course, totally incorrect, but I guess that would have gotten in the way of him using the word 'cheap' fifty times, and maybe distract from sounding like a moron when using phrases like 'piece of kit'.
No, you made absolute statements this was design flaw while using excessively large fonts and posting your vitriol in threads that had nothing to do with this issue. Hence, you were trolling, you weren't being rational or logical, and you damn well know it.
This thread has been hijacked from fit and finish into an extension of several others on this forum. Can't we just stay on subject. With at least three other threads raging over the antenna situation, and hundreds of posts, there is little to add to that issue. Please move that discussion back to where it belongs.
The copy at the beginning of this thread was a bit over the top, but at the same time, I have taken my 4G out of its silicone case several times to just study and marvel at the precision of it's design and manufacturing. Products exhibiting the level of precision readily apparent to those that have actually handled the 4G typically are produced by craftsmen in low volume and at high cost (to build as well as retail) such as Rolex, Leica, Hasselblad, Bowers & Wilkins, etc.
The fact that Apple and Foxconn have been able to hold the line at such a high level of fit and finish and at a reasonable price point, speaks volumes of the engineering and tooling that have been invested in the 4G production line.
This thread has been hijacked from fit and finish into an extension of several others on this forum. Can't we just stay on subject. With at least three other threads raging over the antenna situation, and hundreds of posts, there is little to add to that issue. Please move that discussion back to where it belongs.
You're right. I will refrain from further commenting on this jacked thread.
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The copy at the beginning of this thread was a bit over the top, but at the same time, I have taken my 4G out of its silicone case several times to just study and marveled at the precision of it's design and manufacturing. Products exhibiting the level of precision readily apparent to those that have actually handled the 4G typically are produced by craftsmen in low volume and at high cost (to build as well as retail) such as Rolex, Leica, Hasselblad, Bowers & Wilkins, etc.
The fact that Apple and Foxconn have been able to hold the line at such a high level of fit and finish and at a reasonable price point, speaks volumes of the engineering and tooling that have been invested in the 4G production line.
I'm intrigued by the milling process Apple has quickly added to their product line. It started with the MBA, then the MBP and now even the iPhone and Mac Mini are milled. That has historically been a very expensive process and not fit for mass produced CE. I would love to know how they have been able to optimize this to make it viable, and if anyone else can possibly join them or is this a limited option for companies like Apple with a economy of scale within a single model design.
the ipad the itouch and macs in general will get this wifi face too face service soon enough
maybe even a nano video service by 2014 ???
there are some fine droid outthere
my buddy on a low income streams and DL movies and stuff on his htc device and the screen is great
yet there is only one true dick tracey phone
how lucky we are to be alive to see these fantastic apple inventions
peace
9
I had problems with FaceTime with the first two people I tried it with, but it turns out the problem wasn't with FaceTime but their routers. Since then it's been working great. Better than expected.
However, I don't see myself using this much more than iChat A/V. Once FaceTime over 3G gets going this could turn out to be pretty useful for showing people other stuff, but right now I'd say it's still a novelty.
I think the interesting thing about Apple's adoption of milled housings is the potential that Apple has found a point of convergence in the cost of CNC vs more typical injection or stamped molding technologies. The CNC machine has the versatility of being programmable to make ANY part out of virtually ANY material within the constraints of its abilities, but the time and cost to make each part remains constant regardless of the volume. Repurposing a CNC machine can be done in minutes, unlike injection or stamping methods so it has an advantage over other methods in that respect. Asia has taken the lead in the production of CNC technology (once pretty much the domain of the US) and advanced it with their keen interest in robotics, and as a result, at the scale needed for production runs such as Apple products, it may well have become cost competitive.
Why other consumer product manufacturers have not discovered the same is a matter of debate, but a lot of inertia exists with traditional techniques and few companies take the risks that have been the hallmark of Apple. Another possibility is that just as Apple has come to dominate the demand side for flash memory and certain LCDs, they may well have soaked up the CNC machine industry manufacturing capacity, effectively locking others out of the ability to adopt CNC at a mass level.
Mine works flawlessly, and I'm letting the world know. Others should do the same.
Mine's working flawlessly also. No complaints.
@Ireland. Not sure what street your living on but from where I am people are putting their money where their mouths are and buying iP4, despite every national newspaper reporting connectivity/antenna issues.
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IMHO, iLounge's 10-page iPhone 4 review is the best out there and they praise the device (along with finding a few shortcomings) without coming across as a fanboy or unbearable critic:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/rev...e-4-16gb-32gb/
From the conclusion:
You have officially won this thread.
And it actually goes to the root of the problems I've had with Apple ever since they dropped the Apple II GS and pressured everybody into the Macintosh line. And that is a kind of promotional egomania based around what is now the ?i? prefix to every product, iPhone, iWork, etc. I have never argued with the PC people who taunted me for liking operating system and made it easy for me to do what I wanted. Apple is really good at making things function. The iPhone is a homerun for Apple because people can just take the damn thing up and do 80% of everything they ever wanted to do without reading the damn instructions. But I find the yuppie ego praising side of both the promotion and the admiration of superficial characteristics like looks and design cloying. I actually don't mind it being a sexy piece of machinery, but in everything from the advertising to reviews I feel like a pretty girl who's tired of hearing ?oh you're so pretty? all the time. I'd like to know the limits of multitasking, I'm concerned about Apple's censorship of sexual materials as it may slop into eventually censorship of ?questionable? apps and sites in the future that may be censorship based on politics. Excuse me if I taken the wrong opportunity to vent.
I have to agree with Ireland on comments, it not the issue so much, but the reply from SJ that irritates me. It was arrogant at least and crazy to be frank. ...
So, you are not angry except about (what you infer about), the attitude of someone you have never met, who was emailing someone else, to be?
It seems to me that the majority of angry responses on this thread are exactly this. People getting upset about things they heard, from people they don't know, about issues they haven't actually experienced. I'm not saying there might not be a problem, but if you took all these type of responses away (and their replies), the thread would be three posts long.
When you suggested it was a design flaw you most certainly did. I haven't seen one retraction from you stating you meant it was a production issue affecting only a subset of all units made.
I never said it was only a subset either. Yes, I said it's looks like it could very well be a design flaw, and their are other reports to suggest it only affect users who don't have a "very good" signal. Others are affected regardless of how good their signal is.
I also said a few times if it is fixable with a software update then more power to Apple, but on the surface it looks like it's a hardware issue, and Steve even suggested people hold them differently.
I have been clear on these points. Yet, you take one thing I said and painted my whole agenda with that, without weighing up everything I said, even on a per comment basis. Not to mention you've been spouting 'troll' at everyone like a mad idiot.
So, you are not angry except about (what you infer about), the attitude of someone you have never met, who was emailing someone else, to be?
Yeah, the CEO of Apple saying that it just like any ol' guy you've never met saying that. Your arguments are weaker than kittens.
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Yes, I said it's looks like it could very well be a design flaw...
No, you made absolute statements this was design flaw while using excessively large fonts and posting your vitriol in threads that had nothing to do with this issue. Hence, you were trolling, you weren't being rational or logical, and you damn well know it.
... And that is a kind of promotional egomania based around what is now the ?i? prefix to every product, iPhone, iWork, etc. ...
Uhm,someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I believe the 'i' originally stood for 'internet', not 'I', except in the one case where it stood for 'interim'. Now, it pretty much just stands for 'i' alone, as a branding thing, not some egomaniacal prefix.
Yeah, the CEO of Apple saying that it just like any ol' guy you've never met saying that. Your arguments are weaker than kittens.
I was pointing out that people are making emotional arguments based on here-say and that everyone (except DanaCameron) is angry and gonna regret some of the things they are saying now, later on.
Since you are practically the King of such angry arguments and well familiar with said remorse, I'd expect a statements like that from you.
The last time I talked to you, you were arguing very strenuously over a multi-week period that the new iPad would *have* to run the desktop OS or it would be a "complete failure." You also are very fond of making lots of criticisms of Apple products complete with remonstrations to the effect that you just won't buy them until or unless they change (insert quality of product here), and then show up later on threads with the same devices in your little virtual hands loving them to death and arguing how well designed they are.
It's just painfully obvious to me that my original assessment was correct. You, (and a lot of other folks) are just angry and not thinking straight.
Ireland. GREAT POST. APPLE must make this right. Either a software fix (THAT WORKS), new phones (THAT WORK) or there will be a lot of returns. THAT would rip my heart out as I've owned Apple products since the '80s and crowed about them for many years.
you have probably been returning all apple products (THAT WORK) since the 80's since this is how apple became the largest tech company, even larger than the two before it combined MSFT and DELL. Micheal Dell should just close up shop and give all the money back to the shareholders honestly.
And since you are four posts into AI and been using apple products since the 80's can you calculate the odds to me why you think that for some reason, people who come here and troll would have the astrological chance of knowing or owning an iOS 4 device that would not work...
hmm,
I think it is closer to "me, myself and I - my,my, my - my oh my"
I love Apple products. Probably it is just a case of "iPhobia".
Uhm,someone correct me if I'm remembering this incorrectly, but I believe the 'i' originally stood for 'internet', not 'I', except in the one case where it stood for 'interim'. Now, it pretty much just stands for 'i' alone, as a branding thing, not some egomaniacal prefix.
The reason why the iPhone 3G/3GS had a plastic back hasn't got anything to do with reducing costs. The real reason, surprise surprise, it's down to our friend Mr. Antenna again. The signal propagates through plastic better than it does metal (or skin
This is why virtually all cell phones are at least partially made from plastic. Cost is very much a secondary concern.
The clown that wrote this, thinks that metal and glass are more expensive than the high impact plastic used before. That's of course, totally incorrect, but I guess that would have gotten in the way of him using the word 'cheap' fifty times, and maybe distract from sounding like a moron when using phrases like 'piece of kit'.
No, you made absolute statements this was design flaw while using excessively large fonts and posting your vitriol in threads that had nothing to do with this issue. Hence, you were trolling, you weren't being rational or logical, and you damn well know it.
Yes troll.
The copy at the beginning of this thread was a bit over the top, but at the same time, I have taken my 4G out of its silicone case several times to just study and marvel at the precision of it's design and manufacturing. Products exhibiting the level of precision readily apparent to those that have actually handled the 4G typically are produced by craftsmen in low volume and at high cost (to build as well as retail) such as Rolex, Leica, Hasselblad, Bowers & Wilkins, etc.
The fact that Apple and Foxconn have been able to hold the line at such a high level of fit and finish and at a reasonable price point, speaks volumes of the engineering and tooling that have been invested in the 4G production line.
This thread has been hijacked from fit and finish into an extension of several others on this forum. Can't we just stay on subject. With at least three other threads raging over the antenna situation, and hundreds of posts, there is little to add to that issue. Please move that discussion back to where it belongs.
You're right. I will refrain from further commenting on this jacked thread.
The copy at the beginning of this thread was a bit over the top, but at the same time, I have taken my 4G out of its silicone case several times to just study and marveled at the precision of it's design and manufacturing. Products exhibiting the level of precision readily apparent to those that have actually handled the 4G typically are produced by craftsmen in low volume and at high cost (to build as well as retail) such as Rolex, Leica, Hasselblad, Bowers & Wilkins, etc.
The fact that Apple and Foxconn have been able to hold the line at such a high level of fit and finish and at a reasonable price point, speaks volumes of the engineering and tooling that have been invested in the 4G production line.
I'm intrigued by the milling process Apple has quickly added to their product line. It started with the MBA, then the MBP and now even the iPhone and Mac Mini are milled. That has historically been a very expensive process and not fit for mass produced CE. I would love to know how they have been able to optimize this to make it viable, and if anyone else can possibly join them or is this a limited option for companies like Apple with a economy of scale within a single model design.
true video voice phone calls have landed
the first nail in the carriers head is in .
the ipad the itouch and macs in general will get this wifi face too face service soon enough
maybe even a nano video service by 2014 ???
there are some fine droid outthere
my buddy on a low income streams and DL movies and stuff on his htc device and the screen is great
yet there is only one true dick tracey phone
how lucky we are to be alive to see these fantastic apple inventions
peace
9
how spoiled we all are
true video voice phone calls have landed
the first nail in the carriers head is in .
the ipad the itouch and macs in general will get this wifi face too face service soon enough
maybe even a nano video service by 2014 ???
there are some fine droid outthere
my buddy on a low income streams and DL movies and stuff on his htc device and the screen is great
yet there is only one true dick tracey phone
how lucky we are to be alive to see these fantastic apple inventions
peace
9
I had problems with FaceTime with the first two people I tried it with, but it turns out the problem wasn't with FaceTime but their routers. Since then it's been working great. Better than expected.
However, I don't see myself using this much more than iChat A/V. Once FaceTime over 3G gets going this could turn out to be pretty useful for showing people other stuff, but right now I'd say it's still a novelty.
Why other consumer product manufacturers have not discovered the same is a matter of debate, but a lot of inertia exists with traditional techniques and few companies take the risks that have been the hallmark of Apple. Another possibility is that just as Apple has come to dominate the demand side for flash memory and certain LCDs, they may well have soaked up the CNC machine industry manufacturing capacity, effectively locking others out of the ability to adopt CNC at a mass level.
Mine works flawlessly, and I'm letting the world know. Others should do the same.
Mine's working flawlessly also. No complaints.
@Ireland. Not sure what street your living on but from where I am people are putting their money where their mouths are and buying iP4, despite every national newspaper reporting connectivity/antenna issues.