OK. I'll skip more than a mention of how weird it is to refer to oneself in the third person (and with an alias no less). But dude, you've been raving like a lunatic in this thread about a product you don't own and I assume haven't used. And that poll over at MacRumors? It's not scientific in any way because it is a biased sample that in no way reflects the makeup of the couple of million people who now have iPhone 4's in their hands. That doesn't mean these folks aren't having real issues, but you can't extrapolate from this poll that more than 50% of the phones out there are having these issues.
I don't think, however, that you're wrong to be cautious about purchasing the phone. I've been using my new iPhone 4 for two days now without a single issue. I absolutely love it and it is a massive improvement over my 3GS-- for me. That doesn't mean that this phone is right for you. Maybe it's overall performance for you, with your particular set of variables will mean that it's not the best phone for you. But come on. This is not some Apple conspiracy to screw their customers. They may have made some decisions regarding the engineering of this phone that don't work for you and maybe even a lot of other people. Maybe there's a real hardware or software issue that became more apparent once a couple of million people got to test the phones in the wild. But I highly doubt they're trying to rip their customers off.
Ireland seems to have serious issues and is just flaming this thread.
I'm into my third day of using my iPhone4. Yes, I immediately noticed the left-hand reception issue. In my house in San Francisco, left-hand cause the bars to go down to 1 bar. Outside, the problem does not happen. I spent two days in Monterey, CA and the phone had no left-hand issues whatsoever.
I will make a call while holding it with my left hand. With 1 bar, I have no problem at all with reception, quality, and I have yet to have a dropped call. 3G performance regardless of the number of bars has been spectacular.
Also, this left-hand issue happens regardless of whether I have the bumper installed on it.
So for now, while I find the behavior unusual, I will wait and see what happens when Apple puts out the fix for it. I suspect (IMHO) that it is more a software issue than a design flaw. My iPhone4 works fine.
Other phones have also had similar problems and as usual, people are focusing solely on Apple. I find it hard to believe that Apple would have actually put out a known faulty product. If it was truly a defective design, I believe they would fess up and address it. Surely, SJ's comment about holding it differently is up for deliberation, I will simply stand on the sideline and take a wait-and-see approach.
For now, my iPhone4 is simply the best phone I've ever owned to-date. It's a stunning piece of engineering and has set the new standard for mobile phones. I have no problem recommending it to anyone.
The clown that wrote this, thinks that metal and glass are more expensive than the high impact plastic used before. That's of course, totally incorrect, but I guess that would have gotten in the way of him using the word 'cheap' fifty times, and maybe distract from sounding like a moron when using phrases like 'piece of kit'.
While I would doubt that Apple would have gone for the plastic back because of cost rather than because of it's electromagnet properties, it's true that glass does cost more than injection molded plastic, high impact or otherwise.
Ireland loves his iPad, his MacBook Air and his iMac. Ireland wanted an iPhone 4, but according to a poll on MacRumors over 50% of new iPhone 4's have a serious issue where you cannot hold the phone like you would normally. Call me a mad man all you want, but that's a serious, serious issue. Not buying one till I know more. Ireland is the same as he ever was, it's just that when Apple fucks up, which isn't too often, Ireland is not afraid to call them up on it.
Unfortunately though, when Ireland calls them he's labelled a troll and told he's changed.
I've always appreciated your posts/insights. You did seem to come "loaded for bear" on this issue with oversize letters, all caps and lots of exclamation points. It may turn out to be a serious issue as you have insisted, or not. Coming on so strong gives little room for other viewpoints, whether those are the opposite of your view or somewhere in between.
I own a 3g and would definately like to upgrade,and will, if the antenna issue doesn't turn into a full fledged fiasco. I suspect it won't. If it turns out they really screwed the pooch I suppose I'd check out android flavors of phone but I'm not even sure that the way you have to hold it to have a problem is how I would personally hold it. But maybe it is, shit I don't know. I guess when taking notes while on the phone is when it would be most susceptible. If i'm not on the phone I usually drive withmy right hand. This may get fixed with an update making this a non issue, or it may be a poor design. The real question for me will be are there other smartphones out there whose design I like more. Certainly none are designed perfectly and I bet I'd hate one or two design elements of any smart phone. I'm in no rush so I'll adopt a wait and see attitude but I do suspect my next phone will be an iphone4.
You've had a number of posts in this thread that just don't make sense to me.
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On an entirely different note:
THANKS TO THE FORUM: Several of you suggested my problems with cables and Kensington chargers not working with the iP4 might be because of the bumper.
I'm slapping myself in the forehead: You're right. Apple's cables and devices are thin enough to fit through the bumper slots (another fit-and-finish achievement!) ; the kensington and the (otherwise extremely handy) 3rd party short cables aren't. So I either have to strip the bumper every time i want to use one of those devices, or ditch them. I'm gonna hang on to them, see how they work with a better case i get down the road. It's great having the forum community to suggest to me the obvious.
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And this: as a retired journalist i have to agree with those critical of the review at the top of this thread. The adulation is over the top..
Daniel is, shall we say, an unabashed fanboy. He will deny it if asked (I asked!).
You do realize you've been completely flatulent all day long about not touching a 1/10 of 1 mm thick line on a telephone, that you might not touch anyway depending how you hold it? I'm right handed, use my left to hold the phone, and when I do, no part of my had comes within an inch of that ONE TENTH OF ONE MILLIMETER THICK line. It might not even be that thick. Have you gone into a store and picked one up? What if you did and discovered you had no problem, like quite a few of us here? What in the world would you do then?
I may have eight entire posts, but they are not full of empty gas. Phhhhpffhhfffffffft.
I've always appreciated your posts/insights. You did seem to come "loaded for bear" on this issue with oversize letters, all caps and lots of exclamation points. It may turn out to be a serious issue as you have insisted, or not. Coming on so strong gives little room for other viewpoints, whether those are the opposite of your view or somewhere in between.
I own a 3g and would definately like to upgrade,and will, if the antenna issue doesn't turn into a full fledged fiasco. I suspect it won't. If it turns out they really screwed the pooch I suppose I'd check out android flavors of phone but I'm not even sure that the way you have to hold it to have a problem is how I would personally hold it. But maybe it is, shit I don't know. I guess when taking notes while on the phone is when it would be most susceptible. If i'm not on the phone I usually drive withmy right hand. This may get fixed with an update making this a non issue, or it may be a poor design. The real question for me will be are there other smartphones out there whose design I like more. Certainly none are designed perfectly and I bet I'd hate one or two design elements of any smart phone. I'm in no rush so I'll adopt a wait and see attitude but I do suspect my next phone will be an iphone4.
Ive now read a fair number of reviews of this product. In only one did the reviewer mention a problem. "Problem" meaning that call quality was affected by the grip. A few others attempted to duplicate the problem and one succeeded, But noted that it was difficult to do so.
While this does seem to be a problem, the question is how much? We can't go by people posting in forums, because those are the ones who are motivated enough to do so.
The question is how many people who don't post, or even know about the forums, are having problems. That is something we don't know.
In addition, the front glass is much thinner, and is more flexible.
Would being thinner help in an edge impact?
Looking at my phone they look the same thickness but I don't know how much deeper they both go into the case. Wouldn't surprise me if it was thinner but they both look reasonably thick.
Looking at my phone they look the same thickness but I don't know how much deeper they both go into the case. Wouldn't surprise me if it was thinner but they both look reasonably thick.
It's a good question. Generally, the thinner it is the more resistant to cracking under certain circumstances. If the glass is bonded to a flexible substrait then it would be more resistant. I'm sure the back is bonded to some plastic as well or the pieces would fly apart if broken too violently. The crack structure I've seen doesn't look that of tempered glass.
It's a good question. Generally, the thinner it is the more resistant to cracking under certain circumstances. If the glass is bonded to a flexible substrait then it would be more resistant. I'm sure the back is bonded to some plastic as well or the pieces would fly apart if broken too violently. The crack structure I've seen doesn't look that of tempered glass.
Hey, mellgross, welcome aboard!
Were you off doing other things-- or just diffident to join this thread?
It's interesting, a friend held the iPhone 4 and said it was much heavier.
Today, we weighed the phone and it's .1 oz heavier. With the bumper on the 4, and a standard slider case on the 3GS, the new combo comes in .4 oz's lighter.
I love mine, so far no problems but the thing is slipperier than cat snot. I have to be careful when I lay it on the arm of the chair, slides off way to easily. This will be cured when the new Vaja cases arrive.
They could put the antenna in an optimal location.
They did. FCC requires that it be as far away from the head as possible. That's why all phones have the antenna near the mouthpiece - and some of them warn you about putting your hand over them.
They did. FCC requires that it be as far away from the head as possible. That's why all phones have the antenna near the mouthpiece - and some of them warn you about putting your hand over them.
Yeah, the last time I made a cell call several fillings fell out! \
OK. I'll skip more than a mention of how weird it is to refer to oneself in the third person (and with an alias no less). But dude, you've been raving like a lunatic in this thread about a product you don't own and I assume haven't used. And that poll over at MacRumors? It's not scientific in any way because it is a biased sample that in no way reflects the makeup of the couple of million people who now have iPhone 4's in their hands. That doesn't mean these folks aren't having real issues, but you can't extrapolate from this poll that more than 50% of the phones out there are having these issues.
I don't think, however, that you're wrong to be cautious about purchasing the phone. I've been using my new iPhone 4 for two days now without a single issue. I absolutely love it and it is a massive improvement over my 3GS-- for me. That doesn't mean that this phone is right for you. Maybe it's overall performance for you, with your particular set of variables will mean that it's not the best phone for you. But come on. This is not some Apple conspiracy to screw their customers. They may have made some decisions regarding the engineering of this phone that don't work for you and maybe even a lot of other people. Maybe there's a real hardware or software issue that became more apparent once a couple of million people got to test the phones in the wild. But I highly doubt they're trying to rip their customers off.
Thanks for injecting some well-worded sanity.
The guy was out of control. (But I am sure he'll be back).
Ireland loves his iPad, his MacBook Air and his iMac. Ireland wanted an iPhone 4, but according to a poll on MacRumors over 50% of new iPhone 4's have a serious issue where you cannot hold the phone like you would normally. Call me a mad man all you want, but that's a serious, serious issue. Not buying one till I know more. Ireland is the same as he ever was, it's just that when Apple fucks up, which isn't too often, Ireland is not afraid to call them up on it.
Unfortunately though, when Ireland calls them he's labelled a troll and told he's changed.
Good God! What a colossal blockhead you are! How many posts have you made in the last so many threads? We get it. Why do you keep repeating yourself? It's becoming impossible to follow a thread, even with you on ignore due to all the others quoting you. For the love of all that is holy, pass on this iphone and leave us in peace. IOW, STFU and go away. If I was Jobs, I'd find out who you are and make sure you were never allowed to buy another apple product to make up for the annoyance that is you.
Daniel is, shall we say, an unabashed fanboy. He will deny it if asked (I asked!).
A delicately tempered appreciation, and no slight for the 'caveat emptor'. Well done.
The author writes about Jobs and Apple as I would about Einstein, Mozart and yes, Jobs. If you truly understand and feel the momentous thread of History being woven by Jobs you cannot resist being swept by it. Dilger heartily shares in it.
The style may have shortfalls, the prose could be sharper, the breath of poetic justice underwritten, Dilger, writing on all creative cylinders, tells The Story from the inside out. He is part of the Story; and that makes him a prime witness, and an essential counterpoint to disinformation and propheteering.
When you describe a genius and his opus, passion is more trustworthy than penmanship.
Were you off doing other things-- or just diffident to join this thread?
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I hosted an audio club meeting Friday night, and spend part of the day Saturday moving the furniture back. Too busy to get to the computer, or rather, my iPad until now, as I had another meeting most of today as well, somewhere else, thankfully.
It's an interesting thread, though I think too much is being made of the article.
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OK. I'll skip more than a mention of how weird it is to refer to oneself in the third person (and with an alias no less). But dude, you've been raving like a lunatic in this thread about a product you don't own and I assume haven't used. And that poll over at MacRumors? It's not scientific in any way because it is a biased sample that in no way reflects the makeup of the couple of million people who now have iPhone 4's in their hands. That doesn't mean these folks aren't having real issues, but you can't extrapolate from this poll that more than 50% of the phones out there are having these issues.
I don't think, however, that you're wrong to be cautious about purchasing the phone. I've been using my new iPhone 4 for two days now without a single issue. I absolutely love it and it is a massive improvement over my 3GS-- for me. That doesn't mean that this phone is right for you. Maybe it's overall performance for you, with your particular set of variables will mean that it's not the best phone for you. But come on. This is not some Apple conspiracy to screw their customers. They may have made some decisions regarding the engineering of this phone that don't work for you and maybe even a lot of other people. Maybe there's a real hardware or software issue that became more apparent once a couple of million people got to test the phones in the wild. But I highly doubt they're trying to rip their customers off.
Ireland seems to have serious issues and is just flaming this thread.
I'm into my third day of using my iPhone4. Yes, I immediately noticed the left-hand reception issue. In my house in San Francisco, left-hand cause the bars to go down to 1 bar. Outside, the problem does not happen. I spent two days in Monterey, CA and the phone had no left-hand issues whatsoever.
I will make a call while holding it with my left hand. With 1 bar, I have no problem at all with reception, quality, and I have yet to have a dropped call. 3G performance regardless of the number of bars has been spectacular.
Also, this left-hand issue happens regardless of whether I have the bumper installed on it.
So for now, while I find the behavior unusual, I will wait and see what happens when Apple puts out the fix for it. I suspect (IMHO) that it is more a software issue than a design flaw. My iPhone4 works fine.
Other phones have also had similar problems and as usual, people are focusing solely on Apple. I find it hard to believe that Apple would have actually put out a known faulty product. If it was truly a defective design, I believe they would fess up and address it. Surely, SJ's comment about holding it differently is up for deliberation, I will simply stand on the sideline and take a wait-and-see approach.
For now, my iPhone4 is simply the best phone I've ever owned to-date. It's a stunning piece of engineering and has set the new standard for mobile phones. I have no problem recommending it to anyone.
The clown that wrote this, thinks that metal and glass are more expensive than the high impact plastic used before. That's of course, totally incorrect, but I guess that would have gotten in the way of him using the word 'cheap' fifty times, and maybe distract from sounding like a moron when using phrases like 'piece of kit'.
While I would doubt that Apple would have gone for the plastic back because of cost rather than because of it's electromagnet properties, it's true that glass does cost more than injection molded plastic, high impact or otherwise.
Ireland loves his iPad, his MacBook Air and his iMac. Ireland wanted an iPhone 4, but according to a poll on MacRumors over 50% of new iPhone 4's have a serious issue where you cannot hold the phone like you would normally. Call me a mad man all you want, but that's a serious, serious issue. Not buying one till I know more. Ireland is the same as he ever was, it's just that when Apple fucks up, which isn't too often, Ireland is not afraid to call them up on it.
Unfortunately though, when Ireland calls them he's labelled a troll and told he's changed.
I've always appreciated your posts/insights. You did seem to come "loaded for bear" on this issue with oversize letters, all caps and lots of exclamation points. It may turn out to be a serious issue as you have insisted, or not. Coming on so strong gives little room for other viewpoints, whether those are the opposite of your view or somewhere in between.
I own a 3g and would definately like to upgrade,and will, if the antenna issue doesn't turn into a full fledged fiasco. I suspect it won't. If it turns out they really screwed the pooch I suppose I'd check out android flavors of phone but I'm not even sure that the way you have to hold it to have a problem is how I would personally hold it. But maybe it is, shit I don't know. I guess when taking notes while on the phone is when it would be most susceptible. If i'm not on the phone I usually drive withmy right hand. This may get fixed with an update making this a non issue, or it may be a poor design. The real question for me will be are there other smartphones out there whose design I like more. Certainly none are designed perfectly and I bet I'd hate one or two design elements of any smart phone. I'm in no rush so I'll adopt a wait and see attitude but I do suspect my next phone will be an iphone4.
You've had a number of posts in this thread that just don't make sense to me.
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On an entirely different note:
THANKS TO THE FORUM: Several of you suggested my problems with cables and Kensington chargers not working with the iP4 might be because of the bumper.
I'm slapping myself in the forehead: You're right. Apple's cables and devices are thin enough to fit through the bumper slots (another fit-and-finish achievement!) ; the kensington and the (otherwise extremely handy) 3rd party short cables aren't. So I either have to strip the bumper every time i want to use one of those devices, or ditch them. I'm gonna hang on to them, see how they work with a better case i get down the road. It's great having the forum community to suggest to me the obvious.
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And this: as a retired journalist i have to agree with those critical of the review at the top of this thread. The adulation is over the top..
Daniel is, shall we say, an unabashed fanboy. He will deny it if asked (I asked!).
7 posts in, you're starting well.
You do realize you've been completely flatulent all day long about not touching a 1/10 of 1 mm thick line on a telephone, that you might not touch anyway depending how you hold it? I'm right handed, use my left to hold the phone, and when I do, no part of my had comes within an inch of that ONE TENTH OF ONE MILLIMETER THICK line. It might not even be that thick. Have you gone into a store and picked one up? What if you did and discovered you had no problem, like quite a few of us here? What in the world would you do then?
I may have eight entire posts, but they are not full of empty gas. Phhhhpffhhfffffffft.
The front glass is glued to the display and therefore has more support. The back side isn't. If they are the same material, that would be my guess.
In addition, the front glass is much thinner, and is more flexible.
I've always appreciated your posts/insights. You did seem to come "loaded for bear" on this issue with oversize letters, all caps and lots of exclamation points. It may turn out to be a serious issue as you have insisted, or not. Coming on so strong gives little room for other viewpoints, whether those are the opposite of your view or somewhere in between.
I own a 3g and would definately like to upgrade,and will, if the antenna issue doesn't turn into a full fledged fiasco. I suspect it won't. If it turns out they really screwed the pooch I suppose I'd check out android flavors of phone but I'm not even sure that the way you have to hold it to have a problem is how I would personally hold it. But maybe it is, shit I don't know. I guess when taking notes while on the phone is when it would be most susceptible. If i'm not on the phone I usually drive withmy right hand. This may get fixed with an update making this a non issue, or it may be a poor design. The real question for me will be are there other smartphones out there whose design I like more. Certainly none are designed perfectly and I bet I'd hate one or two design elements of any smart phone. I'm in no rush so I'll adopt a wait and see attitude but I do suspect my next phone will be an iphone4.
Ive now read a fair number of reviews of this product. In only one did the reviewer mention a problem. "Problem" meaning that call quality was affected by the grip. A few others attempted to duplicate the problem and one succeeded, But noted that it was difficult to do so.
While this does seem to be a problem, the question is how much? We can't go by people posting in forums, because those are the ones who are motivated enough to do so.
The question is how many people who don't post, or even know about the forums, are having problems. That is something we don't know.
In addition, the front glass is much thinner, and is more flexible.
Would being thinner help in an edge impact?
Looking at my phone they look the same thickness but I don't know how much deeper they both go into the case. Wouldn't surprise me if it was thinner but they both look reasonably thick.
Would being thinner help in an edge impact?
Looking at my phone they look the same thickness but I don't know how much deeper they both go into the case. Wouldn't surprise me if it was thinner but they both look reasonably thick.
It's a good question. Generally, the thinner it is the more resistant to cracking under certain circumstances. If the glass is bonded to a flexible substrait then it would be more resistant. I'm sure the back is bonded to some plastic as well or the pieces would fly apart if broken too violently. The crack structure I've seen doesn't look that of tempered glass.
It's a good question. Generally, the thinner it is the more resistant to cracking under certain circumstances. If the glass is bonded to a flexible substrait then it would be more resistant. I'm sure the back is bonded to some plastic as well or the pieces would fly apart if broken too violently. The crack structure I've seen doesn't look that of tempered glass.
Hey, mellgross, welcome aboard!
Were you off doing other things-- or just diffident to join this thread?
.
Today, we weighed the phone and it's .1 oz heavier. With the bumper on the 4, and a standard slider case on the 3GS, the new combo comes in .4 oz's lighter.
They could put the antenna in an optimal location.
They did. FCC requires that it be as far away from the head as possible. That's why all phones have the antenna near the mouthpiece - and some of them warn you about putting your hand over them.
They did. FCC requires that it be as far away from the head as possible. That's why all phones have the antenna near the mouthpiece - and some of them warn you about putting your hand over them.
Yeah, the last time I made a cell call several fillings fell out!
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Daniel is, shall we say, an unabashed fanboy. He will deny it if asked (I asked!).
Good for you.
What's your point?
OK. I'll skip more than a mention of how weird it is to refer to oneself in the third person (and with an alias no less). But dude, you've been raving like a lunatic in this thread about a product you don't own and I assume haven't used. And that poll over at MacRumors? It's not scientific in any way because it is a biased sample that in no way reflects the makeup of the couple of million people who now have iPhone 4's in their hands. That doesn't mean these folks aren't having real issues, but you can't extrapolate from this poll that more than 50% of the phones out there are having these issues.
I don't think, however, that you're wrong to be cautious about purchasing the phone. I've been using my new iPhone 4 for two days now without a single issue. I absolutely love it and it is a massive improvement over my 3GS-- for me. That doesn't mean that this phone is right for you. Maybe it's overall performance for you, with your particular set of variables will mean that it's not the best phone for you. But come on. This is not some Apple conspiracy to screw their customers. They may have made some decisions regarding the engineering of this phone that don't work for you and maybe even a lot of other people. Maybe there's a real hardware or software issue that became more apparent once a couple of million people got to test the phones in the wild. But I highly doubt they're trying to rip their customers off.
Thanks for injecting some well-worded sanity.
The guy was out of control. (But I am sure he'll be back).
Ireland loves his iPad, his MacBook Air and his iMac. Ireland wanted an iPhone 4, but according to a poll on MacRumors over 50% of new iPhone 4's have a serious issue where you cannot hold the phone like you would normally. Call me a mad man all you want, but that's a serious, serious issue. Not buying one till I know more. Ireland is the same as he ever was, it's just that when Apple fucks up, which isn't too often, Ireland is not afraid to call them up on it.
Unfortunately though, when Ireland calls them he's labelled a troll and told he's changed.
Good God! What a colossal blockhead you are! How many posts have you made in the last so many threads? We get it. Why do you keep repeating yourself? It's becoming impossible to follow a thread, even with you on ignore due to all the others quoting you. For the love of all that is holy, pass on this iphone and leave us in peace. IOW, STFU and go away. If I was Jobs, I'd find out who you are and make sure you were never allowed to buy another apple product to make up for the annoyance that is you.
Daniel is, shall we say, an unabashed fanboy. He will deny it if asked (I asked!).
A delicately tempered appreciation, and no slight for the 'caveat emptor'. Well done.
The author writes about Jobs and Apple as I would about Einstein, Mozart and yes, Jobs. If you truly understand and feel the momentous thread of History being woven by Jobs you cannot resist being swept by it. Dilger heartily shares in it.
The style may have shortfalls, the prose could be sharper, the breath of poetic justice underwritten, Dilger, writing on all creative cylinders, tells The Story from the inside out. He is part of the Story; and that makes him a prime witness, and an essential counterpoint to disinformation and propheteering.
When you describe a genius and his opus, passion is more trustworthy than penmanship.
Hey, mellgross, welcome aboard!
Were you off doing other things-- or just diffident to join this thread?
.
I hosted an audio club meeting Friday night, and spend part of the day Saturday moving the furniture back. Too busy to get to the computer, or rather, my iPad until now, as I had another meeting most of today as well, somewhere else, thankfully.
It's an interesting thread, though I think too much is being made of the article.