Thought it's pre 4.01, it demonstrates a single finger causing attenuation.
That doesn't look very scientific to me. Got anything done by a lab as big as Apple's? I think Apple knows better than some guy you never heard of ib uTube.
It has been proven that the iP4 looses LESS bars than most phones.
It has the best reception of any phone on the market, as has been reported again and again by the reviewers. The Bloggers don't seem to read that stuff though, and instead they just make stuff up. I don't know how they sleep at night. Even the New York Times!!!!!
Pay no attention everyone. Well known troll, new alias.
If you have really good signal strength, the death grip may drop your signal by 20 or so dB, but it wouldn't show in terms of bars.
A normal grip, with the fingers on the side and the corner resting in your palm is a natural grip. It has enough contact with the seam to cause the same problem as demonstrated by the finger. I wasn't arguing that the finger touch was a natural grip, only that it demonstrates that the problem is one of physical contact with the antenna, and no other phone has that problem.
The one finger issue is a non issue, since nobody will put one finger on the X while talking. You can't even hold the phone with one finger on the side anyway. It's only an iPhone 4 issue, but it's covered within then grip issue in the first place. Because your grip covers X already, they are not isolated issues. The only thing one needs to worry about is how much signal loss one gets when you hold it the way you hold it. I don't really understand what's so hard to "grip" about this.
If you have really good signal strength, the death grip may drop your signal by 20 or so dB, but it wouldn't show in terms of bars.
A normal grip, with the fingers on the side and the corner resting in your palm is a natural grip. It has enough contact with the seam to cause the same problem as demonstrated by the finger. I wasn't arguing that the finger touch was a natural grip, only that it demonstrates that the problem is one of physical contact with the antenna, and no other phone has that problem.
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So what you are saying is that te iPhone is already 20x worse in reception than all the others given that the average for dropped calls on AT&T is less than 1 per hundred for 3G phones?
Where do you get that data? I'm not saying it's bogus I'm just curious if AT&T actually announced something like that.
The degree to which signal is lost is not important? The tests that have been linked to here show differring signal loss amongst these phones. Let's say the Nokia loses twice as much (as reflected in db), wouldn't that suggest the phone would lose signal more quickly than the competitor in a low signal environment, or lose signal while the competitor might not at all?
Ofc that's important. That's the only important thing in this debate in the first place. The whole one finger bullshit should stop.
What matters is how much dB signal loss you suffer when you hold your iPhone in a left hand grip comfortably covering the antenna. And how much signal strength you get with an external antenna compared to other phones.
For example if iPhone 4 drops 10 more dB than a Nokia, but has 10dB more strength to begin with, you are still getting the same amount of signal.
So one needs to compare several phones in the same spot and check their signal strength in dB's with and without a deathgrip.
Where do you get that data? I'm not saying it's bogus I'm just curious if AT&T actually announced something like that.
The 0.91% dropped call rate for 3G phones was based on AT&T's own quarterly report from January 2010 linked below. Slide 11 shows the average drop rate for 3G phones specifically. As noted on the main page they have also just stated an overall drop rate of all phones of 1.44%.
I was "the guy" who asked. My point being, to my knowledge only a single case exists where the signal can be killed with a fingertip, yet that scenario continues to be thrown around as if it's true for every iPhone 4; fact is, it's not even true for the iPhone 4's who can replicate the "death grip", which in itself seems to be a rare find.
Oh my bad lol. Yeah it seems as though when the device is that sensitive to attenuation, there isn't much signal in the first place (and prior the update, it was showing full strength, confusing the hell out of people.)
Actually, I think this whole thing wouldn't have gotten so much attention had Apple just released the phone with the appropriate algorithm for calculating the bars.
Do you have a way of measuring your signal as an integer readout? A zagg video posted earlier showed how touching the band caused the iphone to stop transmitting packets to a machine in front of it (they were selling the invisible shield as a solution of course.)
That doesn't look very scientific to me. Got anything done by a lab as big as Apple's? I think Apple knows better than some guy you never heard of ib uTube.
Not that I want to argue this point (much) since bars are a meaningless gauge of actual signal strength, but wasn?t there are a troll or two on these forums saying that the iPhone 4 was the only one to drop 5 bars?
Small problem here is that in iP4 case, 5 bars are representing a 100% of signal strength's range.
In N97 case, it represents 71%. That is still bad, but not as bad.
No, that is a difference of less then 1%, which is exactly what Steve told us.
No, it's a difference of 1 call per hundred.
A 50% increase in a quantity means that the final value has increased to 150% of the original amount. If the previous rate of failure was 2/hundred and the new value is 3/hundred that is an increase of 50% over the previous failure rate.
Would you be more accepting were I to say that the rate of call failure increased by 50% of the previous rate?
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Here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tfBQbk
Thought it's pre 4.01, it demonstrates a single finger causing attenuation.
That doesn't look very scientific to me. Got anything done by a lab as big as Apple's? I think Apple knows better than some guy you never heard of ib uTube.
It has been proven that the iP4 looses LESS bars than most phones.
It has the best reception of any phone on the market, as has been reported again and again by the reviewers. The Bloggers don't see
Pay no attention everyone. Well known troll, new alias.
Pay no attention everyone. Well known troll, new alias.
What was the former member name?
If you have really good signal strength, the death grip may drop your signal by 20 or so dB, but it wouldn't show in terms of bars.
A normal grip, with the fingers on the side and the corner resting in your palm is a natural grip. It has enough contact with the seam to cause the same problem as demonstrated by the finger. I wasn't arguing that the finger touch was a natural grip, only that it demonstrates that the problem is one of physical contact with the antenna, and no other phone has that problem.
The one finger issue is a non issue, since nobody will put one finger on the X while talking. You can't even hold the phone with one finger on the side anyway. It's only an iPhone 4 issue, but it's covered within then grip issue in the first place. Because your grip covers X already, they are not isolated issues. The only thing one needs to worry about is how much signal loss one gets when you hold it the way you hold it. I don't really understand what's so hard to "grip" about this.
If you have really good signal strength, the death grip may drop your signal by 20 or so dB, but it wouldn't show in terms of bars.
A normal grip, with the fingers on the side and the corner resting in your palm is a natural grip. It has enough contact with the seam to cause the same problem as demonstrated by the finger. I wasn't arguing that the finger touch was a natural grip, only that it demonstrates that the problem is one of physical contact with the antenna, and no other phone has that problem.
So what you are saying is that te iPhone is already 20x worse in reception than all the others given that the average for dropped calls on AT&T is less than 1 per hundred for 3G phones?
Where do you get that data? I'm not saying it's bogus I'm just curious if AT&T actually announced something like that.
The degree to which signal is lost is not important? The tests that have been linked to here show differring signal loss amongst these phones. Let's say the Nokia loses twice as much (as reflected in db), wouldn't that suggest the phone would lose signal more quickly than the competitor in a low signal environment, or lose signal while the competitor might not at all?
Ofc that's important. That's the only important thing in this debate in the first place. The whole one finger bullshit should stop.
What matters is how much dB signal loss you suffer when you hold your iPhone in a left hand grip comfortably covering the antenna. And how much signal strength you get with an external antenna compared to other phones.
For example if iPhone 4 drops 10 more dB than a Nokia, but has 10dB more strength to begin with, you are still getting the same amount of signal.
So one needs to compare several phones in the same spot and check their signal strength in dB's with and without a deathgrip.
The iP4 is no different, they all do exactly the same thing: signal loss is signal loss.
'You got that exactly right,
Where do you get that data? I'm not saying it's bogus I'm just curious if AT&T actually announced something like that.
The 0.91% dropped call rate for 3G phones was based on AT&T's own quarterly report from January 2010 linked below. Slide 11 shows the average drop rate for 3G phones specifically. As noted on the main page they have also just stated an overall drop rate of all phones of 1.44%.
http://www.att.com/Investor/Financia...09_slide_c.pdf
Christ! Can humanity please move on? Please??
Why, do you think that Apple's propaganda has won?
What was the former member name?
iLuv, nee tekstud
If a phone goes from dropping 2 calls per hundred to dropping 2.75-3 calls per hundred that's an increase of almost 50%. How's that insignificant?
No, that is a difference of less then 1%, which is exactly what Steve told us.
Why, do you think that Apple's propaganda has won?
Are you hoping your propaganda will?
Just like all these other phones, the iP4 may drop a call in a low signal area. There's nothing unique going on here.
But it IS unique. The iPhone makes calls better in low signal areas. It is the best reception of any phone out there.
I was "the guy" who asked. My point being, to my knowledge only a single case exists where the signal can be killed with a fingertip, yet that scenario continues to be thrown around as if it's true for every iPhone 4; fact is, it's not even true for the iPhone 4's who can replicate the "death grip", which in itself seems to be a rare find.
Oh my bad lol. Yeah it seems as though when the device is that sensitive to attenuation, there isn't much signal in the first place (and prior the update, it was showing full strength, confusing the hell out of people.)
Actually, I think this whole thing wouldn't have gotten so much attention had Apple just released the phone with the appropriate algorithm for calculating the bars.
Do you have a way of measuring your signal as an integer readout? A zagg video posted earlier showed how touching the band caused the iphone to stop transmitting packets to a machine in front of it (they were selling the invisible shield as a solution of course.)
That doesn't look very scientific to me. Got anything done by a lab as big as Apple's? I think Apple knows better than some guy you never heard of ib uTube.
nah techstud I don't, sorry
But it IS unique. The iPhone makes calls better in low signal areas. It is the best reception of any phone out there.
That's a big call, got some hard data to back up your claim?
Not that I want to argue this point (much) since bars are a meaningless gauge of actual signal strength, but wasn?t there are a troll or two on these forums saying that the iPhone 4 was the only one to drop 5 bars?
Small problem here is that in iP4 case, 5 bars are representing a 100% of signal strength's range.
In N97 case, it represents 71%. That is still bad, but not as bad.
No, that is a difference of less then 1%, which is exactly what Steve told us.
No, it's a difference of 1 call per hundred.
A 50% increase in a quantity means that the final value has increased to 150% of the original amount. If the previous rate of failure was 2/hundred and the new value is 3/hundred that is an increase of 50% over the previous failure rate.
Would you be more accepting were I to say that the rate of call failure increased by 50% of the previous rate?
Small problem here is that in iP4 case, 5 bars are representing a 100% of signal strength's range.
In N97 case, it represents 71%. That is still bad, but not as bad.
1) You can?t gauge the dB by simply looking at the bars.
2) Did it not drop from 7 bars to 2 bars, a difference of 5 bars that was apparently not possible on anything but the iPhone 4?
I had to say it!