that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Who cares. For all that volume, they make, sadly, an annual profit of of ~US$350 million across the whole company.
I'll venture a guess that the iPad alone makes a much larger profit than that (If we assume, say, 5 million iPads will be sold this year, at an average price of $600, with a profit margin of 20% - Apple's average - that's $600 million in net income).
Yup it is not about market share it is about profit.... Hmmm does Acre have a war chest of billions in the bank... My point. People buy things that work not things they have to figure out. Just walk int ANY apple store and you will notice that it is FULL of people. That is what they want PERIOD.
Now if it was a black box with no way to program the platform then and only then would it be a closed system. Please take the time to know what you are talking about.
Even THAT would not be a "closed" system. The guy is using the word to mean that he just hates Apple.
that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
You do know that Apple allows companies to set up their own enterprise app distribution separate from Apple's iTunes app store, right? There are 3 ways to distribute apps: ad-hoc (usually used for beta-testing, etc), iTunes App Store (used by most consumers), and Enterprise (used by large companies to distribute in-house apps to employees).
People buy things that work not things they have to figure out. Just walk int ANY apple store and you will notice that it is FULL of people. That is what they want PERIOD.
Apple sells more than anybody, and you identified the reason why.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
steve our master gave us at least 5 miracle products
with one fantastic lean mean SW os to tie them all together.
My buddy had to buy his wife and kids computers for school << grades 10th thru 2 yr college >>
5 in total /
He bought 5 MB white plastic base models.
got 5 free touches base models no upgrades.
and then 2 ipads for the college kids and 3 160g classic ipod for wife and the younger ones .
Some one at apple sent an extra box for his family filled with goodies like t shirts stickers and stuff. All 5 MB were pre installed with free SW.
Suck in the bottom of the case was a handwritten card stating
>>THANK YOU FROM APPLE <<.
Apple understands that taking great care of its clients is good for APPLE.
why you hate apple so much and need to throw oil and sand in our eyes daily is beyond me.
Open doesn't really mean "open". It just means they can't license it...
Consumers pick the iPad versus what else is available. Consumers pick the iPhone versus what other phones are available. And manufacturers pick what else IS available. They pick Android, not because it's open, not even because it's free, but because they can get it. They can't get iOS.
Of course Apple won't have 100% of the pad market. They don't even cater to a large portion of the market (e.g. people that want cheap stuff). There's plenty of room for devices that are just different. They won't run iOS, because Apple doesn't want them to.
So iOS (and OSX) market share is low, because Apple doesn't want to license it. Apple device market share is usually low because they only target specific segments.
But assuming that device market share is low because it's "closed" is just smack talk by a company that failed to push their own closed system.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
You should learn the first rule of posting. It's much better to keep quiet and be thought a fool .... than to post and be proven to be a fool.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
i doubt if anyone is doing what steve jobs wants them to do except for his employees. and if the board goes along with steve's ideas regarding what should or shouldn't be allowed on their product then so what? like you don't have an option? you do, get an android device.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
So now what is the trend? despise the one that had success?
You are not talking about a regular CEO, this one has made or been part of computer history and with each single product they release he/they (Apple) they just get better. You have to go way back in history to find some products that made such impact in culture such model T, radio, first cell phone. Any big company dream is to have an Steve Jobs as CEO, including Microsoft, Dell, Acer,etc. Just take a look on how bad Ballmer has done on Microsoft, How bad Michael Dell failed predicting Apple's future. In oder words, I totally not agree and you are not on the spot.
Open doesn't really mean "open". It just means they can't license it...
Consumers pick the iPad versus what else is available. Consumers pick the iPhone versus what other phones are available. And manufacturers pick what else IS available. They pick Android, not because it's open, not even because it's free, but because they can get it. They can't get iOS.
Of course Apple won't have 100% of the pad market. They don't even cater to a large portion of the market (e.g. people that want cheap stuff). There's plenty of room for devices that are just different. They won't run iOS, because Apple doesn't want them to.
So iOS (and OSX) market share is low, because Apple doesn't want to license it. Apple device market share is usually low because they only target specific segments.
But assuming that device market share is low because it's "closed" is just smack talk by a company that failed to push their own closed system.
Or more to the point, their own complete systems. Acer isn't going to start developing an OS for their tablets any more than they are going to do so for their PCs. Trying to convince us that their generic hardware plus someone else's OS is somehow automatically more appealing than a completely designed product from somebody else is silly and at least a little desperate. I mean, in what other industry would someone advertise their product as being superior because they only design part of it? Talk about counterintuitive.
70,000 Apps and the highest piracy rate of any mobile platform to date.
You know developers just love switching over to platforms that require thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars in development only to have 70% of their earning raped by online pirates.
To say nothing of the fact that it requires maintaining 2 separate code-bases and likely 2 separate teams of developers.
Tack on Market Fragmentation amongst 50+ different form factors (and the technology they support inside) and I'd say you have the perfect formula for pissing off every developer in sight, right from the get go... But really, Wang knows best.
Hmmm, 20% market share, but 80% share of the total profit in the category, 99% mind share, and no need to deal with low quality customers who dredge the bottom of the price barrel and then expect better than bottom of the barrel performance. As usual, Apple is in the better place when evaluated by anything beyond simplistic metrics.
Good luck in that race to the bottom Acer. Such a crouded elevator down.
while i agree with Kyle76 and antkm1, there will be developers who begin to eschew iOS simply because it is closed. i don't think apple hit the tipping point with iOS that it did with the iPod.
as for storneo's quote "same for iPod?", NOTHING came close to the quality and simplicity of the iPod as an MP3 player, but Android and [ugh] winMo7 seem to have fairly elegant interfaces and both companies can toss billions of dollars behind their software.
while i certainly prefer iOS to Android, i have no doubt that Android will NOT fail, and that's good for iOS users. companies need competition. when are we going to get live widgets for app icons? [why does my weather app icon always have to say it's sunny and 73 degrees?] it wouldn't happen nearly as fast if someone out there hadn't already thought of it first.
i will defend Apple as a leading tech innovator in any argument, but i'm not foolish enough to think they don't have to [or do] start their copy machines from time to time.
May be I need to emphasize, after seeing various Android based tablets, I can conclude that "If it is not Apple, it will fail eventually. Archos, eeePad, WePad, Dell Streak (is it tablet, or jumbo phone?), JooJoo, Libretto, Black Pad, etc. There are also many $100 china tablet with "'unauthorized version of Android Market (thought Android is open?)". Are they selling (or predicted, not wished selling) well?
So he's ceding 20-30 percent of the market? I think Apple would be OK with that, even if they stumble so much. Because of the iPad's untapped versatility and ability to overcome its declared consumer purpose, its sales will be stranger than Mr. Wang expects, but that also offers a chance for more "business-friendly" companies to get their feet in the door. My guess (and it is only that) is that the iPad will stabilize at around half the tablet market.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
[M]any Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as PCs) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
Actually, I think that Apple's release of APIs for the relatively walled-off iOS would make it more attractive to big businesses, which will be gun-shy of the many ways into a system as open as Android. They'll be able to write the programs they need, and without much of the detritus.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
While your criticisms of Americans are more or less spot on, the other conclusions you draw don't hold much water. Don't really care what Steve wants, I just want the best product. And if I couldn't get a table at a restaurant, I'm sure not hanging around and admiring the decor, I'm going to go get something to eat. (That being said, I'm not really familiar with the story, and don't care to be.)
Attitudes like yours baffle me... So you don't care for iPad or iPhone or iOS, fine. Have your android and your porn and viruses and flash. Why are you angry that other people like it quite a lot? That other people are willing to pay a premium for a refined user experience and sleek design? That other people don't want flash or porn? Just baffled.
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Android is the Linux of mobile devices...
maybe by a toenail...
that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
Who cares. For all that volume, they make, sadly, an annual profit of of ~US$350 million across the whole company.
I'll venture a guess that the iPad alone makes a much larger profit than that (If we assume, say, 5 million iPads will be sold this year, at an average price of $600, with a profit margin of 20% - Apple's average - that's $600 million in net income).
Yup it is not about market share it is about profit.... Hmmm does Acre have a war chest of billions in the bank... My point. People buy things that work not things they have to figure out. Just walk int ANY apple store and you will notice that it is FULL of people. That is what they want PERIOD.
So what open is he talking about.
He means that you can load any software you like, and you are not obliged to buy it from the device manufacturer.
Me, I like the App Store. It is convenient.
They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.
But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.
i am surrounded by civics, but it is the ferrari racing by that gets my attention....
(not to bring down civics. they are built far better than acer products)
Now if it was a black box with no way to program the platform then and only then would it be a closed system. Please take the time to know what you are talking about.
Even THAT would not be a "closed" system. The guy is using the word to mean that he just hates Apple.
that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
You do know that Apple allows companies to set up their own enterprise app distribution separate from Apple's iTunes app store, right? There are 3 ways to distribute apps: ad-hoc (usually used for beta-testing, etc), iTunes App Store (used by most consumers), and Enterprise (used by large companies to distribute in-house apps to employees).
People buy things that work not things they have to figure out. Just walk int ANY apple store and you will notice that it is FULL of people. That is what they want PERIOD.
Apple sells more than anybody, and you identified the reason why.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
steve our master gave us at least 5 miracle products
with one fantastic lean mean SW os to tie them all together.
My buddy had to buy his wife and kids computers for school << grades 10th thru 2 yr college >>
5 in total /
He bought 5 MB white plastic base models.
got 5 free touches base models no upgrades.
and then 2 ipads for the college kids and 3 160g classic ipod for wife and the younger ones .
Some one at apple sent an extra box for his family filled with goodies like t shirts stickers and stuff. All 5 MB were pre installed with free SW.
Suck in the bottom of the case was a handwritten card stating
>>THANK YOU FROM APPLE <<.
Apple understands that taking great care of its clients is good for APPLE.
why you hate apple so much and need to throw oil and sand in our eyes daily is beyond me.
peace
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He means that you can load any software you like, and you are not obliged to buy it from the device manufacturer.
Me, I like the App Store. It is convenient.
If it's something Google doesn't approve it gets remotely killed by Google?
I love open.
Consumers pick the iPad versus what else is available. Consumers pick the iPhone versus what other phones are available. And manufacturers pick what else IS available. They pick Android, not because it's open, not even because it's free, but because they can get it. They can't get iOS.
Of course Apple won't have 100% of the pad market. They don't even cater to a large portion of the market (e.g. people that want cheap stuff). There's plenty of room for devices that are just different. They won't run iOS, because Apple doesn't want them to.
So iOS (and OSX) market share is low, because Apple doesn't want to license it. Apple device market share is usually low because they only target specific segments.
But assuming that device market share is low because it's "closed" is just smack talk by a company that failed to push their own closed system.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
You should learn the first rule of posting. It's much better to keep quiet and be thought a fool .... than to post and be proven to be a fool.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
i doubt if anyone is doing what steve jobs wants them to do except for his employees. and if the board goes along with steve's ideas regarding what should or shouldn't be allowed on their product then so what? like you don't have an option? you do, get an android device.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
So now what is the trend? despise the one that had success?
You are not talking about a regular CEO, this one has made or been part of computer history and with each single product they release he/they (Apple) they just get better. You have to go way back in history to find some products that made such impact in culture such model T, radio, first cell phone. Any big company dream is to have an Steve Jobs as CEO, including Microsoft, Dell, Acer,etc. Just take a look on how bad Ballmer has done on Microsoft, How bad Michael Dell failed predicting Apple's future. In oder words, I totally not agree and you are not on the spot.
i am surrounded by civics, but it is the ferrari racing by that gets my attention....
(not to bring down civics. they are built far better than acer products)
Acer this past year vastly improved their quality of their products . Acer is a fine low budget tech device maker.
THE RACE to the bottom is over . DELL LOST
Open doesn't really mean "open". It just means they can't license it...
Consumers pick the iPad versus what else is available. Consumers pick the iPhone versus what other phones are available. And manufacturers pick what else IS available. They pick Android, not because it's open, not even because it's free, but because they can get it. They can't get iOS.
Of course Apple won't have 100% of the pad market. They don't even cater to a large portion of the market (e.g. people that want cheap stuff). There's plenty of room for devices that are just different. They won't run iOS, because Apple doesn't want them to.
So iOS (and OSX) market share is low, because Apple doesn't want to license it. Apple device market share is usually low because they only target specific segments.
But assuming that device market share is low because it's "closed" is just smack talk by a company that failed to push their own closed system.
Or more to the point, their own complete systems. Acer isn't going to start developing an OS for their tablets any more than they are going to do so for their PCs. Trying to convince us that their generic hardware plus someone else's OS is somehow automatically more appealing than a completely designed product from somebody else is silly and at least a little desperate. I mean, in what other industry would someone advertise their product as being superior because they only design part of it? Talk about counterintuitive.
You know developers just love switching over to platforms that require thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars in development only to have 70% of their earning raped by online pirates.
To say nothing of the fact that it requires maintaining 2 separate code-bases and likely 2 separate teams of developers.
Tack on Market Fragmentation amongst 50+ different form factors (and the technology they support inside) and I'd say you have the perfect formula for pissing off every developer in sight, right from the get go... But really, Wang knows best.
Good luck in that race to the bottom Acer. Such a crouded elevator down.
Gordon
i think this is a bit excessive [to be polite].
while i agree with Kyle76 and antkm1, there will be developers who begin to eschew iOS simply because it is closed. i don't think apple hit the tipping point with iOS that it did with the iPod.
as for storneo's quote "same for iPod?", NOTHING came close to the quality and simplicity of the iPod as an MP3 player, but Android and [ugh] winMo7 seem to have fairly elegant interfaces and both companies can toss billions of dollars behind their software.
while i certainly prefer iOS to Android, i have no doubt that Android will NOT fail, and that's good for iOS users. companies need competition. when are we going to get live widgets for app icons? [why does my weather app icon always have to say it's sunny and 73 degrees?] it wouldn't happen nearly as fast if someone out there hadn't already thought of it first.
i will defend Apple as a leading tech innovator in any argument, but i'm not foolish enough to think they don't have to [or do] start their copy machines from time to time.
May be I need to emphasize, after seeing various Android based tablets, I can conclude that "If it is not Apple, it will fail eventually. Archos, eeePad, WePad, Dell Streak (is it tablet, or jumbo phone?), JooJoo, Libretto, Black Pad, etc. There are also many $100 china tablet with "'unauthorized version of Android Market (thought Android is open?)". Are they selling (or predicted, not wished selling) well?
[M]any Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as PCs) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
Actually, I think that Apple's release of APIs for the relatively walled-off iOS would make it more attractive to big businesses, which will be gun-shy of the many ways into a system as open as Android. They'll be able to write the programs they need, and without much of the detritus.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4. I just said basically the same thing on the other thread.
Instead of doing what you want on your device like flash or porn, you do what the CEO of some company wants you to do. But because this CEO is a celebrity you all follow his whims like he was a rapper hawking the latest Reebok hi tops. Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
Before you say I'm a troll, remember the story where Jobs walks out of a restaurant cause he can't get a table? It was the lead story at AI and the photos were picked apart to see if they were fakes. Comparing shadows on objects and such stuff.
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
While your criticisms of Americans are more or less spot on, the other conclusions you draw don't hold much water. Don't really care what Steve wants, I just want the best product. And if I couldn't get a table at a restaurant, I'm sure not hanging around and admiring the decor, I'm going to go get something to eat. (That being said, I'm not really familiar with the story, and don't care to be.)
Attitudes like yours baffle me... So you don't care for iPad or iPhone or iOS, fine. Have your android and your porn and viruses and flash. Why are you angry that other people like it quite a lot? That other people are willing to pay a premium for a refined user experience and sleek design? That other people don't want flash or porn?