Skype and AIM are both closed and proprietary. Lacking an open standard to use, Apple created their own, and it's only a matter of time before others catch on.
You can use AIM for iChat. What makes it so wrong to use it for Facetime?
Of course, I can use flash on a real mac and it's TERRIBLY WRONG to have it on a mobile device.
Apple will soon outsell all CD music combined on itunes (that's from other sources). Apple will get to mine the data on just what the music buyers are listening to(and recommending their friends listen to). THAT will define a whole new metric that the music industry will use to determine modern tastes in music, and act accordingly. I don't recommend my play lists to anyone, except my son, who is in the biz, but can see the value of doing so through itunes and friends you would like to share music with. Apple itunes will become the new "Gallup Poll" of the music industry. (I'll bet Google is having a hissy-fit on this one, since they see themselves as the data-mining go-to guys for the known universe).
Old TV, new TV, all iPods and iOS devices use H.264 primarily, which is not a QuickTime-only format. Far from it, it's the most widely-used format for legitimate media. The formats you seem to be implying you want are what 100% of pirated media comes in.
You betcha. Why can't I watch porn on my Apple TV? Cause it doesn't support .ram files. But my computer can play them.
This is why I am against iOS4. Give me a real MAC that can do anything. If the Real Player company wants to write software for the Mac it's THEIR business. With iOS4 you have to get past the gatekeeper. The same gatekeeper that wont allow a Playboy App but allowed the shake the baby to death app.
I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.
Skype isn't open, Apple would have had to license it, as would everyone else who wanted to interoperate. AIM, MSN video chat and others aren't open either.
Facetime is MPEG-4 clips wired together. The protocol streams clip after consecutive clip, choosing a higher or lower bandwidth version of the next clip based on latency. That's why people with VLC or other MPEG-4 video viewers were able to see short segments of the live video stream. It won't be long before you see support for the full protocol in video players.
Feel free to give Apple crap for things they deserve crap for. This isn't one of them.
So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??
I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.
I signed up to take a look at it, decided it was too tied to FaceBook (hate it,) and too damn crappy/spammy (waste of time.) Unfortunately I then discovered I couldn't "un-sign up" (at least I haven't figured out how to get completely unencumbered yet.) Although I feel confident my privacy is secure (unlike with FB or MS et al.)
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
What on EARTH do you have to complain about. Don't like it - use another service, buy another company's products.
Or maybe you just like to complain.
A lot.
As a stockholder, I don't like to hear others saying things like "buy another company's products." I assume there are other stock holders here as well who would grudgingly agree with me.
If Apple ever wants to get out of the niche market, they need to play nice with others, like they used to do when they were beaten down by Microsoft ten years ago. I don't think Apple is big enough yet to start forcing users to do things their way. They are still the tail that tries to wag the dog.
And for your information I don't just like to complain. But I do like to tell the truth.
That's not strictly true. It became completely Facebook's problem when the media hype over it started threatening their success.
The media blowing something out proportion and making an issue where non exists (ring any bells?) should not become a company's problem - it's time for an hysterical media to be bought back down to size. Pundits, analysts and experts who spout utter FUD and have the bleeting masses believing everything they're told.
Remember when the internet was evil and the root of all perversion and crime in society?
Remember when video games made children violent?
Remember when electricity was dangerous and leaked?!
Remember when the internal combustion engine was going to put us all out of work?
Luddites, critics and 'experts' every step of the way. We look back a century and laugh and still learn nothing.
It's called progress, change. Move it with it, or become irrelevant. I remember people on sites such as these decrying the ipod when it was first announced, and the imac - it'll never work because it lacks (insert dying feature here - eg. ADB port, floppy drive). Now we've got it with the iPad, PING etc. etc.
The current world media seem to be the new spanish inquisition - judge, jury and executioner with no one able to stand up to them.
It's very worrying - they control opinion and commercial markets more than any individual company which is vilified by them.
I signed up to take a look at it, decided it was too tied to FaceBook (hate it,) and too damn crappy/spammy (waste of time.) Unfortunately I then discovered I couldn't "un-sign up" (at least I haven't figured out how to get completely unencumbered yet.) Although I feel confident my privacy is secure (unlike with FB or MS et al.)
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
You can disable Ping by going to your iTunes account preferences. It says so right there in your Ping profile page when you edit your profile.
As a stockholder, I don't like to hear others saying things like "buy another company's products." I assume there are other stock holders here as well who would grudgingly agree with me.
If Apple ever wants to get out of the niche market, they need to play nice with others, like they used to do when they were beaten down by Microsoft ten years ago. I don't think Apple is big enough yet to start forcing users to do things their way. They are still the tail that tries to wag the dog.
And for your information I don't just like to complain. But I do like to tell the truth.
If you have stock, you must have faith in the company and it's products and services or you would sell the stock.
You don't like to tell the truth, you like to express your (often entirely unbalanced negative) opinions as fact. When from my reading of your posts over the last few weeks have no basis in fact or experience.
The media blowing something out proportion and making an issue where non exists (ring any bells?) should not become a company's problem - it's time for an hysterical media to be bought back down to size. Pundits, analysts and experts who spout utter FUD and have the bleeting masses believing everything they're told.
No arguments from me here - not sure how you stop it though.
I signed up to take a look at it, decided it was too tied to FaceBook (hate it,) and too damn crappy/spammy (waste of time.) Unfortunately I then discovered I couldn't "un-sign up" (at least I haven't figured out how to get completely unencumbered yet.) Although I feel confident my privacy is secure (unlike with FB or MS et al.)
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??
I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.
But you want to be able to tell Apple what they can and cannot do? (Add Skype/AIM compatiblility to Apple software)
You judge and make narrative on a process you haven't done yourself. Having to select your gender is not offensive. at all. at any level. I mean, seriously - it's a music networking service. I don't care about what some people have posted on line about their experience, I can only speak for my own. What personal experience in this matter do you speak from?
Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.
Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?
In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.
Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.
It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.
I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.
You don't like to tell the truth, you like to express your (often entirely unbalanced negative) opinions as fact. When from my reading of your posts over the last few weeks have no basis in fact or experience.
My posts have no basis in fact or experience? What, I have to have worked for Apple before I can have an opinion here?
From my experience, most of the people who post here are probably under 18 years old they way they argue and bicker. How much experience does one have to have before they are allowed to post here?
As far as facts are concerned, I don't have time to research and back up every point here. I am over 18 years old and I have to go to work sometime. I made some good points earlier and if you want to debate them, fine. But I doubt you do because I'll just embarrass you here.
So Steve Jobs steers facebook now? Wow, this guy has a lot of power. Or does he?
Typical Apple lately. Instead of using the Skype or AIM to get facetime going, we have to use Apple's proprietary format which works on nothing but other iPhone 4's on Wi Fi so it's useless right now.
We had to use Quicktime format for the old Apple TV which meant hacking or iTunes only for the most part.
Flash was no good so now we have iPhones and iPads that can't display websites until they write Apple compatible versions.
Now we have this Bing, or Ping or Pong whatever and it will be useless until the world flips over to it.
No doubt about it. Apple has set us down a path that will make the monopoly of Microsoft look like a drop in the bucket. Steve Jobs will stop short of nothing but world domination. And he intends to do this with his niche market.
Sorry. Steve, you have lost your mind.
So you know the terms Facebook demanded from Apple? I didn't realize you were there when Apple and Facebook chatted. If Facebook demanded that you kiss Zuckerberg's ass for them to work with your company, would you agree ?
Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.
This isn't gaming. Also, for the record I'm a first class honours graduate, have an MA in telecommunications administration, run a graphic design consultancy and love classical music. Not that this has anything to do with the subject at hand.
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Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?
There are two legal definitions of gender on this planet. You are legally registered as one or the other. These are MALE and FEMALE. One of those two is apt to the legal status of every human being on the planet.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.
Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.
Again with the gaming parallels - this isn't gaming, its a music community. You do understand that? Why would you pretend to be a different gender on line, or fake your name in a networking system which is about your personal music taste - why the need to hide?
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.
I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.
Yes, the reasons are commercial, it's about market research and target demographics. iTunes is a commercial venture - you do understand that? It's why this is opt-in. You don't like it- don't opt-in. You don't need to denigrate a fun service with perfectly understandable privacy settings.
And I'm not speaking "for everyone else", I'm speaking for myself - it's you who has taken offence on behalf of other people for a system you've never used, and even if you have, that you have less than 24 hours experience of.
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Skype and AIM are both closed and proprietary. Lacking an open standard to use, Apple created their own, and it's only a matter of time before others catch on.
You can use AIM for iChat. What makes it so wrong to use it for Facetime?
Of course, I can use flash on a real mac and it's TERRIBLY WRONG to have it on a mobile device.
Old TV, new TV, all iPods and iOS devices use H.264 primarily, which is not a QuickTime-only format. Far from it, it's the most widely-used format for legitimate media. The formats you seem to be implying you want are what 100% of pirated media comes in.
You betcha. Why can't I watch porn on my Apple TV? Cause it doesn't support .ram files. But my computer can play them.
This is why I am against iOS4. Give me a real MAC that can do anything. If the Real Player company wants to write software for the Mac it's THEIR business. With iOS4 you have to get past the gatekeeper. The same gatekeeper that wont allow a Playboy App but allowed the shake the baby to death app.
I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.
Skype isn't open, Apple would have had to license it, as would everyone else who wanted to interoperate. AIM, MSN video chat and others aren't open either.
Facetime is MPEG-4 clips wired together. The protocol streams clip after consecutive clip, choosing a higher or lower bandwidth version of the next clip based on latency. That's why people with VLC or other MPEG-4 video viewers were able to see short segments of the live video stream. It won't be long before you see support for the full protocol in video players.
Feel free to give Apple crap for things they deserve crap for. This isn't one of them.
So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??
I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
What on EARTH do you have to complain about. Don't like it - use another service, buy another company's products.
Or maybe you just like to complain.
A lot.
As a stockholder, I don't like to hear others saying things like "buy another company's products." I assume there are other stock holders here as well who would grudgingly agree with me.
If Apple ever wants to get out of the niche market, they need to play nice with others, like they used to do when they were beaten down by Microsoft ten years ago. I don't think Apple is big enough yet to start forcing users to do things their way. They are still the tail that tries to wag the dog.
And for your information I don't just like to complain. But I do like to tell the truth.
That's not strictly true. It became completely Facebook's problem when the media hype over it started threatening their success.
The media blowing something out proportion and making an issue where non exists (ring any bells?) should not become a company's problem - it's time for an hysterical media to be bought back down to size. Pundits, analysts and experts who spout utter FUD and have the bleeting masses believing everything they're told.
Remember when the internet was evil and the root of all perversion and crime in society?
Remember when video games made children violent?
Remember when electricity was dangerous and leaked?!
Remember when the internal combustion engine was going to put us all out of work?
Luddites, critics and 'experts' every step of the way. We look back a century and laugh and still learn nothing.
It's called progress, change. Move it with it, or become irrelevant. I remember people on sites such as these decrying the ipod when it was first announced, and the imac - it'll never work because it lacks (insert dying feature here - eg. ADB port, floppy drive). Now we've got it with the iPad, PING etc. etc.
The current world media seem to be the new spanish inquisition - judge, jury and executioner with no one able to stand up to them.
It's very worrying - they control opinion and commercial markets more than any individual company which is vilified by them.
I signed up to take a look at it, decided it was too tied to FaceBook (hate it,) and too damn crappy/spammy (waste of time.) Unfortunately I then discovered I couldn't "un-sign up" (at least I haven't figured out how to get completely unencumbered yet.) Although I feel confident my privacy is secure (unlike with FB or MS et al.)
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
You can disable Ping by going to your iTunes account preferences. It says so right there in your Ping profile page when you edit your profile.
As a stockholder, I don't like to hear others saying things like "buy another company's products." I assume there are other stock holders here as well who would grudgingly agree with me.
If Apple ever wants to get out of the niche market, they need to play nice with others, like they used to do when they were beaten down by Microsoft ten years ago. I don't think Apple is big enough yet to start forcing users to do things their way. They are still the tail that tries to wag the dog.
And for your information I don't just like to complain. But I do like to tell the truth.
If you have stock, you must have faith in the company and it's products and services or you would sell the stock.
You don't like to tell the truth, you like to express your (often entirely unbalanced negative) opinions as fact. When from my reading of your posts over the last few weeks have no basis in fact or experience.
The media blowing something out proportion and making an issue where non exists (ring any bells?) should not become a company's problem - it's time for an hysterical media to be bought back down to size. Pundits, analysts and experts who spout utter FUD and have the bleeting masses believing everything they're told.
No arguments from me here - not sure how you stop it though.
I signed up to take a look at it, decided it was too tied to FaceBook (hate it,) and too damn crappy/spammy (waste of time.) Unfortunately I then discovered I couldn't "un-sign up" (at least I haven't figured out how to get completely unencumbered yet.) Although I feel confident my privacy is secure (unlike with FB or MS et al.)
It looks fine and all but basically it's another fricking FaceBook/MySpace spam machine that I don't care to be involved with. Very Un-Apple like.
I had hoped Apple would find the right level of privacy/value, but this seems elusive in the social media space.
We need an open source, user manageable, transparent yet secure "social media" system, with a user-friendly monetization model. Is this so hard? Perhaps I have to do it?
Disable it under your ping settings. done.
It's not tied to facebook. At all.
Hence this topic...
No arguments from me here - not sure how you stop it though.
Me either, but fanning the flames of their FUD is certainly not the way to go...
So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??
I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.
But you want to be able to tell Apple what they can and cannot do? (Add Skype/AIM compatiblility to Apple software)
Why don't you write your own code to do it?
You judge and make narrative on a process you haven't done yourself. Having to select your gender is not offensive. at all. at any level. I mean, seriously - it's a music networking service. I don't care about what some people have posted on line about their experience, I can only speak for my own. What personal experience in this matter do you speak from?
Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.
Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?
In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.
Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.
It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.
I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.
You don't like to tell the truth, you like to express your (often entirely unbalanced negative) opinions as fact. When from my reading of your posts over the last few weeks have no basis in fact or experience.
My posts have no basis in fact or experience? What, I have to have worked for Apple before I can have an opinion here?
From my experience, most of the people who post here are probably under 18 years old they way they argue and bicker. How much experience does one have to have before they are allowed to post here?
As far as facts are concerned, I don't have time to research and back up every point here. I am over 18 years old and I have to go to work sometime. I made some good points earlier and if you want to debate them, fine. But I doubt you do because I'll just embarrass you here.
So Steve Jobs steers facebook now? Wow, this guy has a lot of power. Or does he?
Typical Apple lately. Instead of using the Skype or AIM to get facetime going, we have to use Apple's proprietary format which works on nothing but other iPhone 4's on Wi Fi so it's useless right now.
We had to use Quicktime format for the old Apple TV which meant hacking or iTunes only for the most part.
Flash was no good so now we have iPhones and iPads that can't display websites until they write Apple compatible versions.
Now we have this Bing, or Ping or Pong whatever and it will be useless until the world flips over to it.
No doubt about it. Apple has set us down a path that will make the monopoly of Microsoft look like a drop in the bucket. Steve Jobs will stop short of nothing but world domination. And he intends to do this with his niche market.
Sorry. Steve, you have lost your mind.
So you know the terms Facebook demanded from Apple? I didn't realize you were there when Apple and Facebook chatted. If Facebook demanded that you kiss Zuckerberg's ass for them to work with your company, would you agree ?
Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.
This isn't gaming. Also, for the record I'm a first class honours graduate, have an MA in telecommunications administration, run a graphic design consultancy and love classical music. Not that this has anything to do with the subject at hand.
Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?
There are two legal definitions of gender on this planet. You are legally registered as one or the other. These are MALE and FEMALE. One of those two is apt to the legal status of every human being on the planet.
In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.
Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.
Again with the gaming parallels - this isn't gaming, its a music community. You do understand that? Why would you pretend to be a different gender on line, or fake your name in a networking system which is about your personal music taste - why the need to hide?
It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.
I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.
Yes, the reasons are commercial, it's about market research and target demographics. iTunes is a commercial venture - you do understand that? It's why this is opt-in. You don't like it- don't opt-in. You don't need to denigrate a fun service with perfectly understandable privacy settings.
And I'm not speaking "for everyone else", I'm speaking for myself - it's you who has taken offence on behalf of other people for a system you've never used, and even if you have, that you have less than 24 hours experience of.