Apple's Jobs says 'onerous terms' kept Facebook ties out of Ping

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  • Reply 81 of 143
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    But I do like to tell the truth.



    Great, I can hardly wait for you to start.
  • Reply 82 of 143
    gordygordy Posts: 1,004member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    My guess it that Facebook wanted full access and rights to all Ping users data.



    My thoughts exactly! Facebook may have also wanted access to those sweet credit card accounts on iTunes--160 million of them. Fail. Facebook, like Google, is an information hog.



    I've never visited one of the Facebook games/apps because the disclaimer they show before going to the page freaks me out. Pass. Not to mention the sheer number of friends who have had their accounts hijacked, thereby posting random links on my wall.



    Fanboy maybe, but I'd opt to kick Facebook out too...we know how they do.
  • Reply 83 of 143
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE

    My guess it that Facebook wanted full access and rights to all Ping users data.



    If this is the case, why did Ping get rid of the Address Book.app friend finder (where they find friends based the contacts in your Address Book application on your computer)?
  • Reply 84 of 143
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    Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post


    My question is why only music-related for Ping? Why not multi-media? After all Apple also sell movies and books in iTunes, does it not?



    Again.. its ONE day old.. lol. This is a great idea dude.. submit it to apple and I'm sure you'll see it in the not to distant future.
  • Reply 85 of 143
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    Actually, you have a good point with your first sentence. Why isn't iChat/Facetime seemingly compatible, and therefore AIM connections possible - this would have given Apple good leverage into the market. My guess is that facetime is using something akin to the http streaming protocol (as used patchily yesterday) and isn't compatible with anything else out there? I don't know...



    Not sure why you then go on to mention flash again, must be a mental tick of some sort.



    The advantage of FaceTime is there is no login and it is easy and ready to use, Skype, AIM, and MSN have their own iPhone apps and Apple is not blocking them anyone from using the cameras on the iPhone. It is not Apple fault that AIM and Skype are not on top of things when it comes to adding new features to their apps.
  • Reply 86 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.



    Which is why you need porn?
  • Reply 87 of 143
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  • Reply 88 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??



    I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.



    Dude.. they're telling you What THEIR products may and may not do.. you may or may not do or buy whatever you want... If you buy a product fully aware of it's restrictions, then complain about them, you MAY just be an idiot.



    Do you honestly not see the irony in complaining about them telling you what to do, despite the fact that your actually telling them how they should run their company??
  • Reply 89 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    So Apple would have to license it. So what? Why is it not okay for Apple to pay another company for existing widely used technology? I know Flash is terrible and evil, but do you and the AI community have anything against Skype and AIM??



    I will feel free to give Apple crap so long as they keep telling me what I may and may not do.



    Blackintosh there is a niche for people like you it's called open source. On the forums there you can complain about how company's dominate our lives and we are so oppressed by the great evil conspiracy. Or, widen the hell up and get some perspective.



    Start with S.Man's blog from the Isle of Man.



    http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
  • Reply 90 of 143
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    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    Actually, you have a good point with your first sentence. Why isn't iChat/Facetime seemingly compatible, and therefore AIM connections possible - this would have given Apple good leverage into the market. My guess is that facetime is using something akin to the http streaming protocol (as used patchily yesterday) and isn't compatible with anything else out there? I don't know...



    Not sure why you then go on to mention flash again, must be a mental tick of some sort.



    Personally I'd assume Facetime will make it to the Mac somehow, whether it be part of iChat or a separate app. Surely the closer Apple can get to a critical mass with Facetime, the more third party companies will start implementing it.
  • Reply 91 of 143
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by gordy View Post


    My thoughts exactly! Facebook may have also wanted access to those sweet credit card accounts on iTunes--160 million of them. Fail. Facebook, like Google, is an information hog.



    I've never visited one of the Facebook games/apps because the disclaimer they show before going to the page freaks me out. Pass. Not to mention the sheer number of friends who have had their accounts hijacked, thereby posting random links on my wall.



    Fanboy maybe, but I'd opt to kick Facebook out too...we know how they do.



    I hate how facebook spam their users. For more than a month now I get this friend finder banner on facebook that says this and that in my friends list used this feature to find more friends (they basically want your email and email password). I asked my friends and they said they never used it (even so facebook said they did). I am sure my friends are getting the same banner saying that I did use this feature while I actually didn't.



    The only reason I signed up for facebook was to setup a page for my business.
  • Reply 92 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    Being forced to tell your gender *is* offensive to large amounts of people whether you believe it or not. By your commentary it seems that you aren't the most sophisticated person but your experience doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. Gender matters a lot, especially online, especially in gaming.



    Would it be offensive to you as a male (I presume again from your commentary), if you had to give your gender but were only given the option of "female" or "intersex"? How would you feel being forced to chose between two options, neither of which is accurate?



    In any case, I'm not arguing that they should put up multiple gender choices (although it would be very progressive of them and send a very nice message). All I'm saying is that there should be a "don't want to say" or "other" or "null" choice in fields like this. Again, this is fairly standard stuff that was worked out on serious gaming boards years ago.



    Lots of girls play online games, lots of them play as males so as to not be bothered. The feature should be there to not necessarily link your real life name and your real life gender with your account, just as the feature is there not to associate your home address or phone number with your account.



    It's private information that's not necessary to the operation of the system that you are being forced to enter. The reasons they ask for it are entirely commercial and are not necessary for any other reason.



    I get that you are okay with giving it to them, but you just can't speak for anyone else, and you don't seem to know anything of the background of this issue so I'm not going to even bother listening to you any more.





    "Forced" means you have no choice. You could just not sign up. or choose the gender you aren't. I think what he is trying to say is this is not the huge privacy breech you're deperately trying to make this out to be.



    Honestly dude, yes.. I agree with you that it would be a lot easier and make everyone happy if these fields just had a third option that said "prefer not to say". But this thing is ONE DAY OLD lol.. I'm sure it just got over looked.



    Obviously your interested in Ping, or you would have just said "Ping is Pointless" instead of getting upset over these details. So atleast we can take from this that you think it's a good idea, but it needs some tweeking before you will sign up. TOTALLY FAIR. Honestly just take all your good ideas and send it to them.. I'm sure their are alot of other people that feel the same as you, and I bet you you'll be plesently suprized with their very next update.



    There is just no need to blow this up into something it isn't. Leave that crap to Fox News
  • Reply 93 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post


    So you know the terms Facebook demanded from Apple? I didn't realize you were there when Apple and Facebook chatted. If Facebook demanded that you kiss Zuckerberg's ass for them to work with your company, would you agree ?



    I do know that Apple can't partner with anyone without the CEO getting into a feud sooner or later. Google, Adobe, untold software developers who get Apps rejected or pulled for ridiculous reasons.



    Seems the only companies Apple likes to do business with are crap like ATT and Microsoft. That make sense to you? I bet it DOES!
  • Reply 94 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    But you want to be able to tell Apple what they can and cannot do? (Add Skype/AIM compatiblility to Apple software)



    Why don't you write your own code to do it?



    That's the answer? Write my own code? That is your solution?



    If this isn't the most classic typical Apple Insider forum post in the whole world I don't know what is. An answer that puts it all on me. I wish you were my auto mechanic.



    My car wont start. Go fix it yourself.



    Or better yet, be my doctor. Hey doc, I have some disease. Well, go into the Amazon jungle and find some root that will cure it. Just don't bother me about it.



    Thanks for politely telling me to go screw myself. I love you too.
  • Reply 95 of 143
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    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    My issue with you is that you mistake your opinion for fact.



    Umm, it is fact.
  • Reply 96 of 143
    Doesn't facebook have standard api's that anyone can sign up to? If so the only issue would have been if apple wanted some sort of special treatment.
  • Reply 97 of 143
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
    Bottom line, Apple is right to be skeptical of Zuckerberg and his continual Facebook privacy gaffes. If Ping integrated with Facebook I'd never use it.
  • Reply 98 of 143
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    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    I do know that Apple can't partner with anyone without the CEO getting into a feud sooner or later. Google, Adobe, untold software developers who get Apps rejected or pulled for ridiculous reasons.



    Seems the only companies Apple likes to do business with are crap like ATT and Microsoft. That make sense to you? I bet it DOES!



    And exactly why you're here in this forum with the rest of us and not running a big ass corporation and making business decisions. Always easier said than done making statements on how CEOs should do business and make decisions that doesn't satisfy our own personal wants and needs.
  • Reply 99 of 143
    ibillibill Posts: 400member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    On top of all the silly user restrictions there is the fact that you *must* use name on the credit card of the account for your user name.
    • Why would anyone use a social network that doesn't give you any freedom to be who you are?

    • Why would anyone who's been on the internet for a while as <name> want to suddenly appear as the name on their credit card?





    FAIL.



    I didn't use my "credit card name". Am I missing something?
  • Reply 100 of 143
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    You betcha. Why can't I watch porn on my Apple TV? Cause it doesn't support .ram files. But my computer can play them.



    I know I wont win any arguments here over porn. I bet most of the forum here wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one naked right in front of them.



    Blackintosh, real men do not watch porn.



    We make it.
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