It appears that you're unaware that with the Zune Pass the subscriber is afforded 10 songs a month to keep forever (in non-DRM/MP3 format) for their US 14.99 monthly free.
The remaining million + songs are free to use as long as the subscription remains current (effectively reducing the cost of 'all you can download' subscription songs to US 4.99).
Maybe someday Apple will see fit to 'invent' an iPass (or some other Zune Pass copy) for the iTunes store...
Who Knows
Oh I am aware! but what happens if I do not buy any songs for that month? Does Microsoft give me back my money. I do not buy music every month! So with them taking my hard earned money EVERY month, I guess i will feel like I have to buy something. On Pandora I have a free service that will find music for me (not me going find) and listen to whenever and wherever I want and after hearing a song that I really like, maybe I will buy!
Plus if your theory is correct, most people would be using the Zune Market place! Oh but wait, Microsoft does not allow you to put your paid subscription (rented) music on anything other than a Zune! However, I do not need to buy music from iTunes (although I do) to play back on my iPod, instead I can virtually buy it anywhere and drag it into iTunes. So, why don't Microsoft open up there Marketplace to other devices if it is SO GREAT!
Oh and iTunes is ALSO NON-DRM incase you were not aware
Oh I am aware! but what happens if I do not buy any songs for that month? Does Zune give me back my money. I do not buy music every month! So with them taking my hard earned money EVERY month, I guess i will feel like I have to buy something. On Pandora I have a free service that will find music for me (not me going find) and listen to whenever, wherever I want and after hearing a song that I really like, maybe I will buy!
Plus if your theory is correct, most people would be using the Zune Market place! Oh but wait, Microsoft does not allow you to put your paid subscription (rented) music on anything other than a Zune! However, I do not need to buy music from iTunes (although I do) to play back on my iPod, instead I can virtually buy it anywhere and drag it into iTunes. So, why don't Microsoft open up there Marketplace to other devices if it is SO GREAT!
Oh and iTunes is ALSO NON-DRM incase you were not aware
Again, you've been wholly misinformed.
There is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to purchase music exclusively from the Zune Marketplace, as Non-DRM Music from ANY source, yes - including iTunes libraries, easily sync with ANY Zune player for full listener enjoyment.
There is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to purchase music exclusively from the Zune Marketplace, as Non-DRM Music from ANY source, yes - including iTunes libraries, easily sync with ANY Zune player for full listener enjoyment.
So Now You Know...
Again I understand you are not obligated to buy music, my question is if you do not purchase songs for that month is the service still $15.00? You said you get a $10.00 credit, ok! but if I choose not to use that credit do I loose it to be quite frank? My understanding is the service is $14.99 regardless if you use the$10.00 credit or not am I correct? And is the credit "not used" carried over to the next month or it a "snooze you lose"? Also if I choose not to own a Zune and say an iPod, can I bring my Zune Market Place Service over to my iPod. If I am not wrong I do not think you can. It is strictly for Zune Players. That is not to fair to me, since you just told me that you can on the other hand bring your purchased iTunes music to your Zune device.
Look if you purchase a lot of music (and I mean a lot in a months time) and all you want is a Zune Player than MAYBE Just Maybe it may be worth it!
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
That is exactly what I want to know! It seems pretty stupid to buy a service that ONLY allows you to play back on a Zune Player. Hell, Pandora is free and I can play that service back on a whole heck of a lot more devices! And it finds music for me!!
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
Again I understand you are not obligated to buy music, my question is if you do not buy for that month is the service still $15.00? You said you get a $10.00 credit, ok! but if I choose not to use that credit do I loose it to be quite frank? My understanding is the service is $14.99 regardless if you use the$10.00 credit or not am I correct? And is the credit "not used" carried over to the next month or it a "snooze you lose"? Also if I choose not to own a Zune and say an iPod, can I bring my Zune Market Place Service over to my iPod. If I am not wrong I do not think you can. It is strictly for Zune Players. That is not to fair to me, since you just told me that you can on the other hand bring your purchased iTunes music to your Zune device.
Look if you purchase a lot of music (and I mean a lot in a months time) and all you want is a Zune Player than MAYBE Just Maybe it may be worth it!
It's not a $10.00 credit, it's a 10 song credit that is renewed at the beginning of each billing cycle, and if the 10 song credits go unused for the month, then the account simply restarts at 10 song credits.
Think of it this way:
If one subscribes to NetFlix they are free to rent/watch as many movies etc as they choose within that billing period, but if they choose not to utilize the service, that doesn't mean that NetFlix should credit their account for non-use.
What makes the Zune Pass even better is that not only can you download as many 256kbs+ songs as you desire, you also have the 'option' of keeping 10 of those 256kbs+/non-DRM songs during each US 14.99 billing cycle. Granted, if the subscription is cancelled, the rented songs become unplayable, but those that you purchased with the 10 songs a month deal are yours to play/load/burn to any player/media type of your choosing.
It's a great deal for both true music lovers, and families with multiple players as well.
let me see if i understand correctly. I don't own a zune player, nor do i want to. If i subscribe to zune pass, i can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my ipod touch, iphone, ipad, shuffle, nano, or appletv? Is that correct?
I can play them on my iMac, though... On days I feel like listening to the other 'million' songs, I guess I could lug my iMac around with me. Bet that'll put some meat on my skinny calves.
That is exactly what I want to know! It seems pretty stupid to buy a service that ONLY allows you to play back on a Zune Player. Hell, Pandora is free and I can play that service back on a whole heck of a lot more devices! And it finds music for me!!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
It's not a $10.00 credit, it's a 10 song credit that is renewed at the beginning of each billing cycle, and if the 10 song credits go unused for the month, then the account simply restarts at 10 song credits.
Think of it this way:
If one subscribes to NetFlix they are free to rent/watch as many movies etc as they choose within that billing period, but if they choose not to utilize the service, that doesn't mean that NetFlix should credit their account for non-use.
What makes the Zune Pass even better is that not only can you download as many 256kbs+ songs as you desire, you also have the 'option' of keeping 10 of those 256kbs+/non-DRM songs during each US 14.99 billing cycle. Granted, if the subscription is cancelled, the rented songs become unplayable, but those that you purchased with the 10 songs a month deal are yours to play/load/burn to any player/media type of your choosing.
It's a great deal for both true music lovers, and families with multiple players as well.
Well I do not have an NetFlix account, I rather just rent when I want. I see what you are saying however, when you say its great for families with "multiple players" what do you mean? Zune players? what about iPods, iPhones, iPads,Apple TV (ok that pretty much covers apple devices) but also other MP3 players? You see to me I believe that I rather know that I own my music and do with it as I like. And while I do not believe in pirating music (I rather purchase my music) I see no harm in say giving some of my music to say a family member or friend. But you are locked down to a Zune thats is it!
A sad day for those who try to argue against the stereotype of blind Apple fanboyism. Every second during which MobileMe or Ping remain online serves as further proof that Apple is not an internet company by any stretch of the imagination.
Well I do not have an NetFlix account, I rather just rent when I want. I see what you are saying however, when you say its great for families with "multiple players" what do you mean? Zune players? what about iPods, iPhones, iPads,Apple TV (ok that pretty much covers apple devices) but also other MP3 players? You see to me I believe that I rather know that I own my music and do with it as I like. And while I do not believe in pirating music (I rather purchase my music) I see no harm in say giving some of my music to say a family member or friend. But you are locked down to a Zune thats is it!
Please go back and read our previous posts, as I have made it extremely clear that the 10 songs a month are MP3/DRM-free, which means that they will play on any device that supports the MP3 file format... Forever.
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
People make choices, you made yours.
Why bring Zune here?
So should copy Zune's biz?
will never do things like Microsoft, because its Microsoft.
I mean what is the point?
People at Zune forum do not care about what does, they just enjoy what they own.
Sure its like bragging that your wife is better that mine. It is meaningless!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
Apps and music is a lot different buddy. I may, MAY, have bought 30 dollars of apps in say 4 years. Ok, so if I choose to abandon the iOS platform forever (very unlikely), OK I lost 30 bucks. However the same will be if I go to Android and I have to re-buy all those apps and again if I go to RIM and again if I go to Microsoft Mobile and again...get my point? That is the way it is. I can't change that. But back to music! With music it should be allowed to play anywhere and with Zune Market Place it is just not that way!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
Wait a second. Wow. What'd you just say?
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
I realized just before writing this that my argument would have no basis if I compared music to music, so I've decided instead to compare music to software as if they were equivalent in any way.
Please hold on a sec while I run an image search for facepalms larger than 10 megapixels.
will never do things like Microsoft, because its Microsoft.
I mean what is the point?
People at Zune forum do not care about what does, they just enjoy what they own.
Sure its like bragging that your wife is better that mine. It is meaningless!
The subject is relevant to this thread because PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration, only there's no subscription model to match the Zune Pass (yet).
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It appears that you're unaware that with the Zune Pass the subscriber is afforded 10 songs a month to keep forever (in non-DRM/MP3 format) for their US 14.99 monthly free.
The remaining million + songs are free to use as long as the subscription remains current (effectively reducing the cost of 'all you can download' subscription songs to US 4.99).
Maybe someday Apple will see fit to 'invent' an iPass (or some other Zune Pass copy) for the iTunes store...
Who Knows
Oh I am aware! but what happens if I do not buy any songs for that month? Does Microsoft give me back my money. I do not buy music every month! So with them taking my hard earned money EVERY month, I guess i will feel like I have to buy something. On Pandora I have a free service that will find music for me (not me going find) and listen to whenever and wherever I want and after hearing a song that I really like, maybe I will buy!
Plus if your theory is correct, most people would be using the Zune Market place! Oh but wait, Microsoft does not allow you to put your paid subscription (rented) music on anything other than a Zune! However, I do not need to buy music from iTunes (although I do) to play back on my iPod, instead I can virtually buy it anywhere and drag it into iTunes. So, why don't Microsoft open up there Marketplace to other devices if it is SO GREAT!
Oh and iTunes is ALSO NON-DRM incase you were not aware
Oh I am aware! but what happens if I do not buy any songs for that month? Does Zune give me back my money. I do not buy music every month! So with them taking my hard earned money EVERY month, I guess i will feel like I have to buy something. On Pandora I have a free service that will find music for me (not me going find) and listen to whenever, wherever I want and after hearing a song that I really like, maybe I will buy!
Plus if your theory is correct, most people would be using the Zune Market place! Oh but wait, Microsoft does not allow you to put your paid subscription (rented) music on anything other than a Zune! However, I do not need to buy music from iTunes (although I do) to play back on my iPod, instead I can virtually buy it anywhere and drag it into iTunes. So, why don't Microsoft open up there Marketplace to other devices if it is SO GREAT!
Oh and iTunes is ALSO NON-DRM incase you were not aware
Again, you've been wholly misinformed.
There is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to purchase music exclusively from the Zune Marketplace, as Non-DRM Music from ANY source, yes - including iTunes libraries, easily sync with ANY Zune player for full listener enjoyment.
So Now You Know...
Wait!!! You mean I can't play them on my iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, Nano, or Shuffle? Or new AppleTV?
Play what?
Again, you've been wholly misinformed.
There is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to purchase music exclusively from the Zune Marketplace, as Non-DRM Music from ANY source, yes - including iTunes libraries, easily sync with ANY Zune player for full listener enjoyment.
So Now You Know...
Again I understand you are not obligated to buy music, my question is if you do not purchase songs for that month is the service still $15.00? You said you get a $10.00 credit, ok! but if I choose not to use that credit do I loose it to be quite frank? My understanding is the service is $14.99 regardless if you use the$10.00 credit or not am I correct? And is the credit "not used" carried over to the next month or it a "snooze you lose"? Also if I choose not to own a Zune and say an iPod, can I bring my Zune Market Place Service over to my iPod. If I am not wrong I do not think you can. It is strictly for Zune Players. That is not to fair to me, since you just told me that you can on the other hand bring your purchased iTunes music to your Zune device.
Look if you purchase a lot of music (and I mean a lot in a months time) and all you want is a Zune Player than MAYBE Just Maybe it may be worth it!
Play what?
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
So really, I'm paying $15 for 10 songs?
Apple should use it for music workshops, adding video conference and such, FaceTime?.
And schools can use it in conjunction with iTunes U for broader connection between music teachers and their students.
Also stream live concerts from Stores.
Still, Ping is not for me.
But if the Sonic Youth got in, i may consider.
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
That is exactly what I want to know!
Let me see if I understand correctly. I don't own a Zune player, nor do I want to. If I subscribe to Zune Pass, I can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, Shuffle, Nano, or AppleTV? Is that correct?
So really, I'm paying $15 for 10 songs?
I guess he has no answer to my question
Again I understand you are not obligated to buy music, my question is if you do not buy for that month is the service still $15.00? You said you get a $10.00 credit, ok! but if I choose not to use that credit do I loose it to be quite frank? My understanding is the service is $14.99 regardless if you use the$10.00 credit or not am I correct? And is the credit "not used" carried over to the next month or it a "snooze you lose"? Also if I choose not to own a Zune and say an iPod, can I bring my Zune Market Place Service over to my iPod. If I am not wrong I do not think you can. It is strictly for Zune Players. That is not to fair to me, since you just told me that you can on the other hand bring your purchased iTunes music to your Zune device.
Look if you purchase a lot of music (and I mean a lot in a months time) and all you want is a Zune Player than MAYBE Just Maybe it may be worth it!
It's not a $10.00 credit, it's a 10 song credit that is renewed at the beginning of each billing cycle, and if the 10 song credits go unused for the month, then the account simply restarts at 10 song credits.
Think of it this way:
If one subscribes to NetFlix they are free to rent/watch as many movies etc as they choose within that billing period, but if they choose not to utilize the service, that doesn't mean that NetFlix should credit their account for non-use.
What makes the Zune Pass even better is that not only can you download as many 256kbs+ songs as you desire, you also have the 'option' of keeping 10 of those 256kbs+/non-DRM songs during each US 14.99 billing cycle. Granted, if the subscription is cancelled, the rented songs become unplayable, but those that you purchased with the 10 songs a month deal are yours to play/load/burn to any player/media type of your choosing.
It's a great deal for both true music lovers, and families with multiple players as well.
let me see if i understand correctly. I don't own a zune player, nor do i want to. If i subscribe to zune pass, i can download 10 songs a month for $15, but the 'million +' can't be accessed from my ipod touch, iphone, ipad, shuffle, nano, or appletv? Is that correct?
So really, i'm paying $15 for 10 songs?
i think you hit it on the head buddy
i think you hit it on the head buddy
I can play them on my iMac, though... On days I feel like listening to the other 'million' songs, I guess I could lug my iMac around with me. Bet that'll put some meat on my skinny calves.
That is exactly what I want to know!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
It's not a $10.00 credit, it's a 10 song credit that is renewed at the beginning of each billing cycle, and if the 10 song credits go unused for the month, then the account simply restarts at 10 song credits.
Think of it this way:
If one subscribes to NetFlix they are free to rent/watch as many movies etc as they choose within that billing period, but if they choose not to utilize the service, that doesn't mean that NetFlix should credit their account for non-use.
What makes the Zune Pass even better is that not only can you download as many 256kbs+ songs as you desire, you also have the 'option' of keeping 10 of those 256kbs+/non-DRM songs during each US 14.99 billing cycle. Granted, if the subscription is cancelled, the rented songs become unplayable, but those that you purchased with the 10 songs a month deal are yours to play/load/burn to any player/media type of your choosing.
It's a great deal for both true music lovers, and families with multiple players as well.
Well I do not have an NetFlix account, I rather just rent when I want. I see what you are saying however, when you say its great for families with "multiple players" what do you mean? Zune players? what about iPods, iPhones, iPads,Apple TV (ok that pretty much covers apple devices) but also other MP3 players? You see to me I believe that I rather know that I own my music and do with it as I like. And while I do not believe in pirating music (I rather purchase my music) I see no harm in say giving some of my music to say a family member or friend. But you are locked down to a Zune thats is it!
Well I do not have an NetFlix account, I rather just rent when I want. I see what you are saying however, when you say its great for families with "multiple players" what do you mean? Zune players? what about iPods, iPhones, iPads,Apple TV (ok that pretty much covers apple devices) but also other MP3 players? You see to me I believe that I rather know that I own my music and do with it as I like. And while I do not believe in pirating music (I rather purchase my music) I see no harm in say giving some of my music to say a family member or friend. But you are locked down to a Zune thats is it!
Please go back and read our previous posts, as I have made it extremely clear that the 10 songs a month are MP3/DRM-free, which means that they will play on any device that supports the MP3 file format... Forever.
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
People make choices, you made yours.
Why bring Zune here?
So should copy Zune's biz?
will never do things like Microsoft, because its Microsoft.
I mean what is the point?
People at Zune forum do not care about what does, they just enjoy what they own.
Sure its like bragging that your wife is better that mine. It is meaningless!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
Apps and music is a lot different buddy. I may, MAY, have bought 30 dollars of apps in say 4 years. Ok, so if I choose to abandon the iOS platform forever (very unlikely), OK I lost 30 bucks. However the same will be if I go to Android and I have to re-buy all those apps and again if I go to RIM and again if I go to Microsoft Mobile and again...get my point? That is the way it is. I can't change that. But back to music! With music it should be allowed to play anywhere and with Zune Market Place it is just not that way!
It's no more 'stupid' for the Zune Pass subscription to work exclusive on Zune devices than it is for apps purchased from Apple's App Store to work exclusively on iOS devices.
At least with the Zune Pass one has the 'option' of keeping 10 non-DRM songs per month to use on any device/computer forever, yet if one decides to abandon an Apple device, those apps are rendered completely useless.
Wait a second. Wow. What'd you just say?
I realized just before writing this that my argument would have no basis if I compared music to music, so I've decided instead to compare music to software as if they were equivalent in any way.
Please hold on a sec while I run an image search for facepalms larger than 10 megapixels.
People make choices, you made yours.
Why bring Zune here?
So should copy Zune's biz?
will never do things like Microsoft, because its Microsoft.
I mean what is the point?
People at Zune forum do not care about what does, they just enjoy what they own.
Sure its like bragging that your wife is better that mine. It is meaningless!
The subject is relevant to this thread because PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration, only there's no subscription model to match the Zune Pass (yet).