Posts like this serve to remind me , once again, that: ...... Figures lie and liars figure. \
Can you please explain how you come to this outcome?
You are posting on an Apple site, Apple themselves are the biggest mis-users of figures. Have you seen sales data from Apple lately splitting their sales by devices, or by region? No, didn't think so.
So we're one million users who can follow 30 artists. Great!
Seriously.. I hope Apple get their act together and have a solid package to all artists with content on the iTunes Store. My label is having a meeting with iTunes next week. Hope to sort out things till then.
You really expected to be taken seriously with words like 'true music sharing/socialising system'? What's true? Why isn't Ping any more true?
And no DaHarder the iTunes scheme only works like that with you. It's 'You Preview, You Buy.' And if you don't like well then it's only A POUND, DOLLAR, EURO, YEN...
Zune Pass is more a 'true music sharing/socialising system' because users can actually share entire songs/playlist with other Zune Pass members as well as those on your 'Zune Friends' List.
Yes... Songs and Playlist In Their Entirety without having to purchase each and every song! and as a long time iTunes user, I know for a fact that Apple does not offer anything remotely close to that ability.
iTunes can be accessed using desktops or laptops using either Windows or Mac OS X operating systems. Zune Pass can only be accessed using computers with Windows.
Microsoft Windows... which can be legally/legitimately (note: without some company getting their panties all in a bunch) installed/run on ALL modern/x86 compatible computer hardware, including Apple Macs
Pop artists with their urge for attention will be all over it.
Apple should use it for music workshops, adding video conference and such, FaceTime?.
And schools can use it in conjunction with iTunes U for broader connection between music teachers and their students.
Also stream live concerts from Stores.
Still, Ping is not for me.
But if the Sonic Youth got in, i may consider.
Live concerts would be a great thing, but creaky old iTunes is serving way too many purposes. Maybe if they had live streaming events available over Apple TV. That's something no one has addressed yet. However, Apple should re-engineer iTMS from the ground up. It's on it's last legs.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social if they are going to censor and control what an artist can post. I can accept Apple will have growing pains but am surprised with all the social network ideas out there already that Apple comes up with something that is pretty weak IMO.
If Apple is "censoring" anything, it may have more to do with the Parental Restriction settings than anything. Perhaps it recognizes certain words and filters them if restrictions are set to, say, "PG".
Microsoft Windows... which can be legally/legitimately (note: without some company getting their panties all in a bunch) installed/run on ALL modern/x86 compatible computer hardware, including Apple Macs
Your point?
Number of Windows users plus number of Mac OS users is more than the number of Windows users. So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
Number of Windows users plus number of Mac OS users is more than the number of Windows users. So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
'Superior Product' -
Sadly, you're yet another victim of Argumentum Ad Populum:
A Logical Fallacy that claims that if more people believe/participate/buy into something then it must be correct/superior.
I haven't claimed it has failed, I think you will find that it is you that is throwing around the word "fail". All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users.
Oh, it's impressive enough for Apple to give a press release just two days after they introduced it. Apparently they think it's a good news. You don't and that's fine by me but look to me like your "analysis" wasn't based on any reality other than your feeling.
If that's what it takes to validate your existence, but this silly 'back and forth' with you is tantamount to me trying to explain limits and infinitesimals to someone who has yet to master long division.
BTW, I just read an article said that (Ping) is an heaven for spammers
BTW, I just read an article said that (the internet) is an heaven for spammers. Gee, guess we should shut it down, huh? ..... PS ... I'm guessing you meant either a haven or .... just heaven?
Can you please explain how you come to this outcome?
I'd be glad to. You're quote was: "All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users". To make it not that impressive one would have to assume that the one million downloads would remain static when, of course, anyone who was trying to be entirely accurate or truthful would know that that's not the case. To put it simply ... you left out the fact that the million downloads took place in 48 hours .... just so you could seemingly "back up " your opinion.
That's just as untruthful as if I said: One million downloads in 2 days, hell, that means Ping will have over 180 million users in 1 year.
The point is simply this: The omission of truth is the same as lying, IMHO. Does the phrase .... "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" hold any meaning for you?
Bringing up Zune's features and marketplace on the first discussion page was an obvious (to me) attempt at trolling. I mean, this is AppleInsider, do you think we CARE what Zune has or does?
We've wasted most of three pages of this thread arguing about what words mean, how people can't understand renting vs. owning, etc. etc. JEEZ! Any meaningful discussion about Ping (which I was looking forward to) got run right out the door.
Bringing up Zune's features and marketplace on the first discussion page was an obvious (to me) attempt at trolling. I mean, this is AppleInsider, do you think we CARE what Zune has or does?
We've wasted most of three pages of this thread arguing about what words mean, how people can't understand renting vs. owning, etc. etc. JEEZ! Any meaningful discussion about Ping (which I was looking forward to) got run right out the door.
Going back to my cave now.
Well that assessment would be seriously flawed.
"Apple announced Friday that its Ping social network for music has reached more than 1 million users in its first 48 hours after launch.", and given that the Zune Marketplace was the pioneering software to integrate social networking and on-line music store/media player, comparisons between the two services are both inevitable and justified.
Additionally: AppleInsider often post topics focused on other players in the industry for comparative purposes... Are they too 'trolling'?
..... and given that the Zune Marketplace was the pioneering software to integrate social networking and on-line music store/media player ......
And where are the "pioneers" now? ... I'm sorry to keep laughing at your posts, DaHarder, but really .... any sentence that contains Zune, marketplace, and on-line music store at the same time surely must be damaging to your credibility ... or what ever is left of it ... and to think ... you keep repeating it, every chance you get.
And where are the "pioneers" now? ... I'm sorry to keep laughing at your posts, DaHarder, but really .... any sentence that contains Zune, marketplace, and on-line music store at the same time surely must be damaging to your credibility ... or what ever is left of it ... and to think ... you keep repeating it, every chance you get.
"Microsoft announced three new Zune models early last month, and the revamped devices are set to hit retailers tomorrow, November 13, along with revamped Zune software, a new social Web site for Zune owners, and the option to buy a "Zune Original" with laser-etched designs and custom text right on the case—and Zune Originals are free, at least for a limited time."
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Posts like this serve to remind me , once again, that: ...... Figures lie and liars figure.
Can you please explain how you come to this outcome?
You are posting on an Apple site, Apple themselves are the biggest mis-users of figures. Have you seen sales data from Apple lately splitting their sales by devices, or by region? No, didn't think so.
Seriously.. I hope Apple get their act together and have a solid package to all artists with content on the iTunes Store. My label is having a meeting with iTunes next week. Hope to sort out things till then.
You really expected to be taken seriously with words like 'true music sharing/socialising system'? What's true? Why isn't Ping any more true?
And no DaHarder the iTunes scheme only works like that with you. It's 'You Preview, You Buy.' And if you don't like well then it's only A POUND, DOLLAR, EURO, YEN...
Zune Pass is more a 'true music sharing/socialising system' because users can actually share entire songs/playlist with other Zune Pass members as well as those on your 'Zune Friends' List.
Yes... Songs and Playlist In Their Entirety without having to purchase each and every song! and as a long time iTunes user, I know for a fact that Apple does not offer anything remotely close to that ability.
So Now You Know...
One more thing to add...
iTunes can be accessed using desktops or laptops using either Windows or Mac OS X operating systems. Zune Pass can only be accessed using computers with Windows.
Microsoft Windows... which can be legally/legitimately (note: without some company getting their panties all in a bunch) installed/run on ALL modern/x86 compatible computer hardware, including Apple Macs
Pop artists with their urge for attention will be all over it.
Apple should use it for music workshops, adding video conference and such, FaceTime?.
And schools can use it in conjunction with iTunes U for broader connection between music teachers and their students.
Also stream live concerts from Stores.
Still, Ping is not for me.
But if the Sonic Youth got in, i may consider.
Live concerts would be a great thing, but creaky old iTunes is serving way too many purposes. Maybe if they had live streaming events available over Apple TV. That's something no one has addressed yet. However, Apple should re-engineer iTMS from the ground up. It's on it's last legs.
Although Ping is a very poor implementation. The only thing that is decent is the top ten tracks. I have also been reading that Apple has been censoring some of the artists posts (Lady GaGa). If that is true I really can't get behind this idea of Ping being social if they are going to censor and control what an artist can post. I can accept Apple will have growing pains but am surprised with all the social network ideas out there already that Apple comes up with something that is pretty weak IMO.
If Apple is "censoring" anything, it may have more to do with the Parental Restriction settings than anything. Perhaps it recognizes certain words and filters them if restrictions are set to, say, "PG".
Microsoft Windows... which can be legally/legitimately (note: without some company getting their panties all in a bunch) installed/run on ALL modern/x86 compatible computer hardware, including Apple Macs
Your point?
Number of Windows users plus number of Mac OS users is more than the number of Windows users. So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
Your point?
Number of Windows users plus number of Mac OS users is more than the number of Windows users. So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
'Superior Product' -
Sadly, you're yet another victim of Argumentum Ad Populum:
A Logical Fallacy that claims that if more people believe/participate/buy into something then it must be correct/superior.
Hint: NOT!
I haven't claimed it has failed, I think you will find that it is you that is throwing around the word "fail". All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users.
Oh, it's impressive enough for Apple to give a press release just two days after they introduced it. Apparently they think it's a good news. You don't and that's fine by me but look to me like your "analysis" wasn't based on any reality other than your feeling.
'Superior Product' -
Sadly, you're yet another victim of Argumentum Ad Populum:
A Logical Fallacy that claims that if more people believe/participate/buy into something then it must be correct/superior.
Hint: NOT!
Reading comprehension problem?
So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
Care to argue with that?
Reading comprehension problem?
So as far as accessibility on a laptop or desktop goes, iTunes is the superior product.
Care to argue with that?
There are valid arguments against 'that', but I tire of your nonsensical/fanatical rhetoric.
Have A Nice Day
There are valid arguments against 'that', but I tire of your nonsensical/fanatical rhetoric.
Have A Nice Day
You argue like a Republican. You lost.
You argue like a Republican. You lost.
If that's what it takes to validate your existence, but this silly 'back and forth' with you is tantamount to me trying to explain limits and infinitesimals to someone who has yet to master long division.
Read: Pointless.
BTW, I just read an article said that (Ping) is an heaven for spammers
BTW, I just read an article said that (the internet) is an heaven for spammers. Gee, guess we should shut it down, huh? ..... PS ... I'm guessing you meant either a haven or .... just heaven?
Can you please explain how you come to this outcome?
I'd be glad to. You're quote was: "All I said was, 1 million users isn't that impressive when you look at the fact that iTunes has 160 million users". To make it not that impressive one would have to assume that the one million downloads would remain static when, of course, anyone who was trying to be entirely accurate or truthful would know that that's not the case. To put it simply ... you left out the fact that the million downloads took place in 48 hours .... just so you could seemingly "back up " your opinion.
That's just as untruthful as if I said: One million downloads in 2 days, hell, that means Ping will have over 180 million users in 1 year.
The point is simply this: The omission of truth is the same as lying, IMHO. Does the phrase .... "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" hold any meaning for you?
We've wasted most of three pages of this thread arguing about what words mean, how people can't understand renting vs. owning, etc. etc. JEEZ!
Going back to my cave now.
Bringing up Zune's features and marketplace on the first discussion page was an obvious (to me) attempt at trolling. I mean, this is AppleInsider, do you think we CARE what Zune has or does?
We've wasted most of three pages of this thread arguing about what words mean, how people can't understand renting vs. owning, etc. etc. JEEZ!
Going back to my cave now.
Well that assessment would be seriously flawed.
"Apple announced Friday that its Ping social network for music has reached more than 1 million users in its first 48 hours after launch.", and given that the Zune Marketplace was the pioneering software to integrate social networking and on-line music store/media player, comparisons between the two services are both inevitable and justified.
Additionally: AppleInsider often post topics focused on other players in the industry for comparative purposes... Are they too 'trolling'?
..... and given that the Zune Marketplace was the pioneering software to integrate social networking and on-line music store/media player ......
And where are the "pioneers" now? ... I'm sorry to keep laughing at your posts, DaHarder, but really .... any sentence that contains Zune, marketplace, and on-line music store at the same time surely must be damaging to your credibility ... or what ever is left of it ... and to think ... you keep repeating it, every chance you get.
So when should I expect the free iPhone...
,,,and the viagra?
Which do you prefer? Yeah noticed all that. Doesn't take em long.
And where are the "pioneers" now? ... I'm sorry to keep laughing at your posts, DaHarder, but really .... any sentence that contains Zune, marketplace, and on-line music store at the same time surely must be damaging to your credibility ... or what ever is left of it ... and to think ... you keep repeating it, every chance you get.
Originally Posted: November 12, 2007
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gadgets...debut-tuesday/
"Microsoft announced three new Zune models early last month, and the revamped devices are set to hit retailers tomorrow, November 13, along with revamped Zune software, a new social Web site for Zune owners, and the option to buy a "Zune Original" with laser-etched designs and custom text right on the case—and Zune Originals are free, at least for a limited time."
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