I would very much like to see Apple take advantage of its economies of scale and have a sale price for the iPad for the holiday season ($100+ off) making it THE holiday gift this year (as long as they've built enough). Make it go all Tickle-me-elmo crazy but with enough supply.
Also it would help them push out the rest of this generation in time for the new generation next quarter. Plus it'll help avoid all of the complainers that say "hey! i just bought 1st gen two weeks ago at the same price! WTF!"
Supply is the key issue, as you've already identified. Apple is already selling every device they produce without a price cut, so I can't imagine there's need to stoke demand for this season. Apple's new product releases follow a well-worn pattern nowadays, and price cuts generally aren't part of the bargain.
As far as the Galaxy Tab numbers, I'm impressed. It's a good start, but let's see Samsung's momentum moving forward.
One click in Spare Parts and a reboot, and all 224 apps I have installed run beautifully at full screen with no pixelation to be seen (love that nice/tight pixel density).
All of the Android apps run. And the majority of the apps run full screen size. There is about 10% of those apps that run in the middle. However, with there is an app that fixes all of that too.
ALL meaning ALL right? Well I made that comment based on Googles' announcement:
"Barra said, "If you want Android market on that platform, the apps just wouldn't run, [Froyo] is just not designed for that form factor."
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Hardly... It has true (all app) multi-tasking, outstanding ergonomics/form-factor (can easily be held with one hand), gorgeous/highly responsive screen, works as a mobile hotspot out-of the-box/with no additional fees, all-day-battery autonomy, choice of cellular carriers, etc.
I appreciate my iPad, but it'll now be relegated to in-home use only, as it's just too darned bulky to carry around anywhere.
I respect your comment but you're just trolling.
Evey time a new piece of tech pops on the scene folks like you switch to fit the latest trend.
To be more accurate, Samsung sold 600K to its (tens of) carriers. How many end users bought it or the number in their stock or supplier chain is still unknown. Anyway the 600K looks not that bad.
There has been significant pent up demand for any non-iPad tablet (preferably Android) that doesn't outright suck. The tab doesn't outright suck...it's just a little pricey.
Any claims I've ever made have all been 100% factual, and proven on numerous occasions, so take your Hate/Vitriol/Lies Elsewhere...
EDIT: BTW... I Challenge You To Prove Any of Your Lies.
I'm not "hating" and I didn't accuse you of lying, I only said you "stretched the truth" as in serial exaggerator/confabulator. I have several RL friends with the same problem, it doesn't mean they are mean or bad, just that they have a less than firm grasp on reality and facts and tend to be overly emotional or defensive.
In the post that you so nastily responded to above, I actually defended you (the bad grammar part). I also tend to agree with your proposition that the Galaxy Tab has a better form factor than the iPad.
Unfortunately, most of the other stuff you said about the Tab on this thread falls into the confabulation/exaggeration camp. It seems like the thread has turned into another one of those "DaHarder against the universe" things, so I'm bowing out now.
No one can really learn or contribute anything when the discussion devolves to your level, and I don't like to waste time reading all your rants and angry opinions and I have had enough stress already today.
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Note: It works both ways.
Two devices, both of which have been discontinued over 2 years ago, don't even come close to dozens of devices that came out in the past couple months that will never get 2.3, some even have 2.1 or earlier. iOS might be fragmented too, but you're comparing a 2000-piece puzzle to 10 pieces.
What I like most about your Android-Tab screed is your acknowledgment of Apple's magnificent pioneering of this kind of consumer-based device. (What, no?) I mean, also-rans, Johnny-Come-Lately's, and Insincere Wanna-Be's always have the advantage of standing on the shoulders of their forebears, and making small, inconsequential improvements to hard ground broken by others.
Yeah, thanks for reminding us of Samsung's lack of true innovation and risk-taking here. I, for one, appreciate your candor and humility in your comparisons. You have truly warmed my heart.
In this case, I think they mean that 600,000 are in the channel, not all in end-users hands yet. Big difference but a common way to skew your numbers to the upside, and raise some eyebrows, they hope, along the way.
That said, its certainly a big number out if the gate and they have a good chance of selling through all those units in the holiday season.
Hardly... It has true (all app) multi-tasking, outstanding ergonomics/form-factor (can easily be held with one hand), gorgeous/highly responsive screen, works as a mobile hotspot out-of the-box/with no additional fees, all-day-battery autonomy, choice of cellular carriers, etc.
I appreciate my iPad, but it'll now be relegated to in-home use only, as it's just too darned bulky to carry around anywhere.
What's 'all app' multitasking? My iPad - with iOS 4.2 - multitasks just fine.
Samsung may have an easier form factor for holding with one hand - but iPad has superior usability and superior battery life.
I'm not "hating" and I didn't accuse you of lying, I only said you "stretched the truth" as in serial exaggerator/confabulator. I have several RL friends with the same problem, it doesn't mean they are mean or bad, just that they have a less than firm grasp on reality and facts and tend to be overly emotional or defensive.
In the post that you so nastily responded to above, I actually defended you (the bad grammar part). I also tend to agree with your proposition that the Galaxy Tab has a better form factor than the iPad.
Unfortunately, most of the other stuff you said about the Tab on this thread falls into the confabulation/exaggeration camp. It seems like the thread has turned into another one of those "DaHarder against the universe" things, so I'm bowing out now.
No one can really learn or contribute anything when the discussion devolves to your level, and I don't like to waste time reading all your rants and angry opinions and I have had enough stress already today.
Sure You Were...
Anyway, regarding your claims of my allegedly questionable 'grammar', 3 Each means 3 of Each Individual Item, as often used in military vernacular, so maybe it's you who has the writing/reading comprehension issue.
Did someone REALLY say the iPad was too ungainly to be carried around? Are you the same one that says "Faster!" to your microwave? All of these devices are excellent portable device. Anyone who says otherwise is too young to be on this forum. Just look at where we've come from and quit whining. Frankly, the Galaxy tab is still to big to comfortably fit in a pocket, unless your pocket are abnormally large. So if I have to carry something, it's an iPad.... or maybe my new MacBook Air. The iPhone fits nicely in my pocket.
Please stop talking about Human Factors/Ergonomics.
As a Mechanical Engineer who also decided to add Ergonomics electives to my degrees the entire "science" behind it borrows 99% from Kinematics [minus the actual Kinematics calculated as it's punted to us Engineers] and 1% Psychology BS.
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Note: It works both ways.
Your precious Samsung Fascinate is about to be TWO generations of software behind, and that phone just came out a couple months ago. The original iPhone is the only model not on current software, it is only ONE generation behind, and it is three years old! Most (not all) features missing from the older devices are hardware related, as well, not carrier- and manufacturer-incompetence related, like almost every Android phone out there right now.
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I would very much like to see Apple take advantage of its economies of scale and have a sale price for the iPad for the holiday season ($100+ off) making it THE holiday gift this year (as long as they've built enough). Make it go all Tickle-me-elmo crazy but with enough supply.
Also it would help them push out the rest of this generation in time for the new generation next quarter. Plus it'll help avoid all of the complainers that say "hey! i just bought 1st gen two weeks ago at the same price! WTF!"
Supply is the key issue, as you've already identified. Apple is already selling every device they produce without a price cut, so I can't imagine there's need to stoke demand for this season. Apple's new product releases follow a well-worn pattern nowadays, and price cuts generally aren't part of the bargain.
As far as the Galaxy Tab numbers, I'm impressed. It's a good start, but let's see Samsung's momentum moving forward.
One click in Spare Parts and a reboot, and all 224 apps I have installed run beautifully at full screen with no pixelation to be seen (love that nice/tight pixel density).
Is there an app for platform fragmentation?
All of the Android apps run. And the majority of the apps run full screen size. There is about 10% of those apps that run in the middle. However, with there is an app that fixes all of that too.
ALL meaning ALL right? Well I made that comment based on Googles' announcement:
"Barra said, "If you want Android market on that platform, the apps just wouldn't run, [Froyo] is just not designed for that form factor."
Maybe he was wrong.
Is there an app for platform fragmentation?
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Note: It works both ways.
Hardly... It has true (all app) multi-tasking, outstanding ergonomics/form-factor (can easily be held with one hand), gorgeous/highly responsive screen, works as a mobile hotspot out-of the-box/with no additional fees, all-day-battery autonomy, choice of cellular carriers, etc.
I appreciate my iPad, but it'll now be relegated to in-home use only, as it's just too darned bulky to carry around anywhere.
I respect your comment but you're just trolling.
Evey time a new piece of tech pops on the scene folks like you switch to fit the latest trend.
To be more accurate, Samsung sold 600K to its (tens of) carriers. How many end users bought it or the number in their stock or supplier chain is still unknown. Anyway the 600K looks not that bad.
There has been significant pent up demand for any non-iPad tablet (preferably Android) that doesn't outright suck. The tab doesn't outright suck...it's just a little pricey.
Any claims I've ever made have all been 100% factual, and proven on numerous occasions, so take your Hate/Vitriol/Lies Elsewhere...
EDIT: BTW... I Challenge You To Prove Any of Your Lies.
I'm not "hating" and I didn't accuse you of lying, I only said you "stretched the truth" as in serial exaggerator/confabulator. I have several RL friends with the same problem, it doesn't mean they are mean or bad, just that they have a less than firm grasp on reality and facts and tend to be overly emotional or defensive.
In the post that you so nastily responded to above, I actually defended you (the bad grammar part). I also tend to agree with your proposition that the Galaxy Tab has a better form factor than the iPad.
Unfortunately, most of the other stuff you said about the Tab on this thread falls into the confabulation/exaggeration camp. It seems like the thread has turned into another one of those "DaHarder against the universe" things, so I'm bowing out now.
No one can really learn or contribute anything when the discussion devolves to your level, and I don't like to waste time reading all your rants and angry opinions and I have had enough stress already today.
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Note: It works both ways.
Two devices, both of which have been discontinued over 2 years ago, don't even come close to dozens of devices that came out in the past couple months that will never get 2.3, some even have 2.1 or earlier. iOS might be fragmented too, but you're comparing a 2000-piece puzzle to 10 pieces.
Yeah, thanks for reminding us of Samsung's lack of true innovation and risk-taking here. I, for one, appreciate your candor and humility in your comparisons. You have truly warmed my heart.
That said, its certainly a big number out if the gate and they have a good chance of selling through all those units in the holiday season.
Hardly... It has true (all app) multi-tasking, outstanding ergonomics/form-factor (can easily be held with one hand), gorgeous/highly responsive screen, works as a mobile hotspot out-of the-box/with no additional fees, all-day-battery autonomy, choice of cellular carriers, etc.
I appreciate my iPad, but it'll now be relegated to in-home use only, as it's just too darned bulky to carry around anywhere.
What's 'all app' multitasking? My iPad - with iOS 4.2 - multitasks just fine.
Samsung may have an easier form factor for holding with one hand - but iPad has superior usability and superior battery life.
I'm not "hating" and I didn't accuse you of lying, I only said you "stretched the truth" as in serial exaggerator/confabulator. I have several RL friends with the same problem, it doesn't mean they are mean or bad, just that they have a less than firm grasp on reality and facts and tend to be overly emotional or defensive.
In the post that you so nastily responded to above, I actually defended you (the bad grammar part). I also tend to agree with your proposition that the Galaxy Tab has a better form factor than the iPad.
Unfortunately, most of the other stuff you said about the Tab on this thread falls into the confabulation/exaggeration camp. It seems like the thread has turned into another one of those "DaHarder against the universe" things, so I'm bowing out now.
No one can really learn or contribute anything when the discussion devolves to your level, and I don't like to waste time reading all your rants and angry opinions and I have had enough stress already today.
Sure You Were...
Anyway, regarding your claims of my allegedly questionable 'grammar', 3 Each means 3 of Each Individual Item, as often used in military vernacular, so maybe it's you who has the writing/reading comprehension issue.
Any claims I've ever made have all been 100% factual, and proven on numerous occasions, so take your Hate/Vitriol/Lies Elsewhere...
EDIT: BTW... I Challenge You To Prove Any of Your Lies.
You didn't state facts outside of hardware specs and multi-tasking. The rest is conjecture and opinion.
The Ergonomics of the iPad rocks and the Samsung blows chunks. Everything I've stated is factual.
See how easy that is to do?
The iPad battery works for several days. What's your point?
As a Mechanical Engineer who also decided to add Ergonomics electives to my degrees the entire "science" behind it borrows 99% from Kinematics [minus the actual Kinematics calculated as it's punted to us Engineers] and 1% Psychology BS.
You have the option to arrange it to whatever you feel like it (messy, clean, static, dynamic, hot color, dark color)
You DONT have that option AT ALL in iOS.
The iPad your friend has is almost the same as yours, sans background display.
And so the pissing contest continues.....
What's 'all app' multitasking? My iPad - with iOS 4.2 - multitasks just fine.
Samsung may have an easier form factor for holding with one hand - but iPad has superior usability and superior battery life.
All-App Multi-Tasking means just that - The OS allows any/all apps (including 3rd party) to multi-task just as the native apps do.
My iDevices only allow Apple's native apps, and some select 3rd party ones, to run in the background... All others are simply suspended.
No more so than there exsist a solution for the 'fragmentation' that exists for all those early iDevice owners that can't run many of the newer iOS apps.
Note: It works both ways.
Your precious Samsung Fascinate is about to be TWO generations of software behind, and that phone just came out a couple months ago. The original iPhone is the only model not on current software, it is only ONE generation behind, and it is three years old! Most (not all) features missing from the older devices are hardware related, as well, not carrier- and manufacturer-incompetence related, like almost every Android phone out there right now.