Windows Phone 7 developers fear platform flop

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in iPhone edited May 2015
Despite a reportedly healthy level of interest from developers, Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 debut appears to have flopped with consumers, leaving developers cautious about investing in the platform.



On top of dead launch events reminiscent of the failed Microsoft KIN (which essentially ran an early, limited version of the WP7 platform) and poor unofficial sales reports, an apparent gag on app analytics is preventing developers from seeing how many of their apps have actually sold. Microsoft is reportedly also withholding any payments to its app developers through February 2011.



Disgruntled developers fret about platform's future prospects



Two WP7 developers, Nicholas Yu of GoVoice (a Google Voice client app) and Justin James, who created an Airport Status Checker app for WP7, have both complained that Microsoft isn't providing developers with app store analytics to indicate how many titles they've actually sold.



Yu described this problem to be significant enough to hold up his investment in adding requested features such as push notifications. "Currently I have no idea how many copies of GoVoice are sold nor did I receive a single paycheck," Yu wrote in his development blog. "Implementing Push is a very risky thing for me because I need to justify that the expenses will cover the maintenance cost of a Push server. If Push is implemented, the expenses are coming straight out of my paycheck, and that is very sensitive to me."



James repeated similar concerns, noting that "there will be no payouts from [the WP7] App Hub [to developers] until February 2011, and there is no built-in reporting on downloads as of now."



He outlined a variety of problems in working with Microsoft's share App Hub developer site for WP7 and Xbox 360, and concluded, "unless you consider Windows Phone 7 to be a 'must do' platform for development (which is quite unlikely), I suggest that you think of Windows Phone 7 development as a hobby or a learning experience rather than a source of revenue until the App Hub issues are sorted out."



In contrast, Apple has promoted the fact that it has distributed over $1 billion in payments to its developers from the sales of their apps, which now exceed 300,000 titles that have seen more than 7 billion downloads. Apple has sold over 73 million iPhones, in addition to tens of millions of iPod touch and iPad devices that also run iOS apps.



Not an app for that



Last fall, Microsoft's Windows Marketplace for Mobile began cultivating a software app store for the company's Windows Mobile 6.5 patterned after Apple's iTunes App Store, encouraging developers to "get in now, get noticed, and take the big prize," in a Race to Market Challenge that offered the chance to win a Surface table, online marketing and promotion, and a "one-of-a-kind trophy."







Just a few months later, the company decided to start over completely with WP7, throwing out compatibility with existing titles its developers had 'raced to deliver' but which were largely dependent upon an outdated, PDA-style windowing environment driven by a stylus. Apple's Steve Jobs had declared the stylus obsolete for modern mobile devices back at the iPhone's launch in early 2007.



In its place, Microsoft assembled a new development model around WP7, using Silverlight and Xbox XNA development tools. At the same time, it began downplaying the importance of apps in general by suggesting WP7 devices were more efficient and business-like because they purposely wouldn't offer much to consume users' attention.



This strategy has enabled Microsoft to associate its Xbox developers with WP7 development, claiming earlier this week that "we?ve also seen a near 80% increase in the number of registered [WP7] developers since September, with more than 15,000 developers already signaling their intent to bring exciting content to Windows Phone." The same blog posting noted that Microsoft planned to make 3,000 apps available for WP7 this month.



WP7's lackluster launch



However, whether WP7 can ever achieve a user base large enough to support its developers is in question. The availability of XNA development tools for the Zune HD, and their familiarity to Xbox coders, has not had any impact on creating a viable software market for that device, largely due to poor hardware sales among consumers.



Curiously, Microsoft had no problems reporting app sales data to its developers in the Windows Marketplace for Mobile store last year, indicating that the missing functionality related to sales data in the new WP7 App Hub is an intentional effort to avoid any leaks of hard data that would show how badly WP7 phones are actually selling.



Windows Phone 7 launched alongside a $500 million ad campaign last month to lackluster sales estimated to be in the tens of thousands. In the UK, an Orange launch event opened to a line of just two people. Damage control headlines later suggested Orange had "sold out" of WP7 inventory without suggesting how many units that actually involved.



Retail store checks by BGR of fifteen AT&T locations throughout the US found dismal results for the new platform in its initial launch week, with the best reports claiming sales of ten to fifteen units while around half of the stores complained that they'd only sold between one and four of the new devices. AT&T has since started a "buy one get one" promotion for WP7, but hasn't released any hard sales data.



A report on mobile phone sales in the UK by MobilePlease and its network of retail partner sites said Microsoft's WP7 was being eclipsed not only by Android (14:1) but also accounted for just a third of the sales volumes of the beleaguered Symbian^3 platform, represented almost entirely by one model, the Nokia N8.



That report also noted that the new WP7 models "are by and large generic phones from well known manufacturers, and in most cases an almost identical model is available from the same manufacturer with Android, and given the choice people seem to be picking Android."



An informal survey of other retailers in the report agreed that while "demand for iPhone, Blackberry and HTC handsets was strong in the smartphone sector," they too had observed that "Windows Phone 7 handsets are not selling."



A more difficult game for new platforms with missing features



Reviews of new WP7 devices have also been dispassionate, with common complaints that the new devices offered nothing really new while failing to match the software features of existing Android and iPhone models that they compete against. WP7 offers no support for multitasking, universal search, arbitrary copy and paste, or a unified inbox with topic threads, for example.



Apple lacked many of those features in the iOS until recently, but it also enjoyed strong brand loyalty and a stand-out user interface that attracted buyers while it fleshed out its software feature list. Apple also didn't have to contend with more modern and feature-complete rivals during the development of iOS, because its show-stopping, uniquely new experiences such as a truly usable mobile web browser served to overshadow its limitations.



Android similarly started with significant feature omissions, but has slowly matured over the past three years to fill the vacuum created by the failure of Palm OS and Windows Mobile devices, leaving little low hanging fruit for Microsoft to reclaim this late in the game.
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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 291
    With good reason. Last night I already saw BOGO for ATT and Windows 7 phones. Its really amazing to me how MS just simply can't get anything right.
  • Reply 2 of 291
    "Windows Phone 7 developers fear platform flop"



    One word:



    Zune.
  • Reply 3 of 291
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    i bet the x-box kinect guys are laughing at the WP7 people now
  • Reply 4 of 291
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    "In the UK, an Orange launch event opened to a line of just two people."



    Wow! I bet one was DaHarder....
  • Reply 5 of 291
    MS just has no compelling reason for someone to buy a WP7. gotta have something that sets them apart and makes you think you might need it. crap battery life and a touch interface just doesn't do it when you have iphone and android devices as competition...
  • Reply 6 of 291
    ?Reviews of new WP7 devices have also been dispassionate??
    Not to get picky or anything, but this word you are using, I do not think it means what you think it means?



    A dispassionate review could be extremely positive or extremely negative (or neither)?
  • Reply 7 of 291
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,427member
    with 2 year contracts, unless you want to use prepaid phones, who wants to take the risk, expense, and early phone replacement fees with this mess

    the consumer has spoken, give me a future focused phone, with updates 2 years is a long time in the cell phone market, in europe they change phones on average 10-12 months



    not with this junk, the more bad press, and lack of develeopers for apps, the more this will sour with consumers,



    put them in the prepaid phone market, if people buy it its no big deal to keep or trash it.



    people expect much more these days and buy one get 4 free still hobbles the consumer to a go nowhere soon to be replaced mess. maybe those telecos can extend the return policy like 60 days, but then who really cares



    i don't ----i have an iPhone 3 g thats 2+years old, has had updates, and still rocks compare to the other junk out there
  • Reply 8 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    With good reason. Last night I already saw BOGO for ATT and Windows 7 phones. Its really amazing to me how MS just simply can't get anything right.



    You know Ex, I don't think MS gives a sh** about getting anything right. they make a gajillion bucks sitting on their fat,lazy, corner office a**es anyway by licensing their crap OS off to every freaking OEM on the planet.

    And who do they think they were fooling anyway. The same smart phones using Android are the same ones using W7!

    Ballmer is history. No wonder he sold some of his stock the other week. Lol!

    And I read a disturbing article where a high rolling stock holder, at a stock holder meeting, in MS ask if it is time to break up MS. Damn!
  • Reply 9 of 291
    I'd still like to get my hands on one of these devices, just to try it out. But every time I'm out shopping, it simply slips my mind.



    That's the kicker here. With the iPhone, you went to the store for the iPhone. When a new model is announced (starting with the first model, even), people want to go see the bloody thing. Heck, I've gone out to specifically check out a number of Android devices, too.



    But there is nothing enticing at all about WP7. The UI looks confusing as hell (though I've read elsewhere that it's not); the lack of multitasking is agonizing, given the current competition; and I don't play XBox, so I frankly don't give a damn about one of its main "features."



    This is just painful to watch.
  • Reply 10 of 291
    Hmm most reviews I have read like the OS and the devices. Even Walt, iFan, Mossberg liked it.



    Good thing a not a single one of these developers for the iPhone has ever had a problem with Apple, its wide open developers rules and the super quick and easy app approval process



    Apple Insider should stick to predicting future vapor Apple Hardware releases and quoting Jon Gruber.
  • Reply 11 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fenevad View Post
    ?Reviews of new WP7 devices have also been dispassionate??
    Not to get picky or anything, but this word you are using, I do not think it means what you think it means?



    A dispassionate review could be extremely positive or extremely negative (or neither)?



    I don't think the writer meant it to mean what you think they meant it to mean.
  • Reply 12 of 291
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Hmm most reviews I have read like the OS and the devices. Even Walt, iFan, Mossberg liked it.



    Good thing a not a single one of these developers for the iPhone has ever had a problem with Apple, its wide open developers rules and the super quick and easy app approval process



    Apple Insider should stick to predicting future vapor Apple Hardware releases and quoting Jon Gruber.



    Sounds like Walt really liked it: "Overall, I can?t recommend Windows Phone 7 as being on a par with iPhone or Android"

  • Reply 13 of 291
    Who is doomed now?
  • Reply 14 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Hmm most reviews I have read like the OS and the devices. Even Walt, iFan, Mossberg liked it.



    Good thing a not a single one of these developers for the iPhone has ever had a problem with Apple, its wide open developers rules and the super quick and easy app approval process



    Apple Insider should stick to predicting future vapor Apple Hardware releases and quoting Jon Gruber.



    What's your point?
  • Reply 15 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    What's your point?



    My point? Is Apple Insider is just link baiting, and they are not using any real data to back up their BS. They should stick to Apple stuff. Bashing on Microsoft stuff does what exactly at a Apple site? Fire up the fan girls? Ruffle some panties?
  • Reply 16 of 291
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    What's your point?



    Wouldn't you be angry if you camped out three days prior to the release of a product only to realize had you not, you'd still be the first in line?
  • Reply 17 of 291
    kpluckkpluck Posts: 500member
    So 2 developers are enough to generalize for the entire platform? LOL



    I am not surprised WP7 is off to a slow start. I would think it is going to take MS sometime and a few OS updates to build any sort of critical mass. I also doubt it will ever displace Android or iPhone in market share.



    However, it will exceed the sales of RIM platform hardware by the end of 2011 as RIM continues its slide of death. MS will continue to pour money into the platform until they get it to where they want.



    -kpluck
  • Reply 18 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Hmm most reviews I have read like the OS and the devices. Even Walt, iFan, Mossberg liked it.



    Good thing a not a single one of these developers for the iPhone has ever had a problem with Apple, its wide open developers rules and the super quick and easy app approval process



    Apple Insider should stick to predicting future vapor Apple Hardware releases and quoting Jon Gruber.



    I don't like the snarky tone of your second sentence and the insults in the third, but I basically agree with your take on the OS itself.



    I can't stand Microsoft, or any of their products, but I'm a bit mystified as to why it isn't catching on more. It's got brand recognition, and a really original interface that addresses the major shortcomings of the iOS interface (lack of integration and poor notifications).



    I thought Windows Phone 7 was such a better proposition than Android, and so much more user friendly, that it would surely be a hit. Of course I also thought WebOS was clearly a better designed OS than Android, but that hasn't caught on either.



    I see Android as a sort of "fill-in" OS or a default, or fall-back OS. It's what you use when there isn't anything else around. It's what you put on a junky free phone, etc. I was sure however, that we'd also see some real alternatives (like WebOS and Windows Phone 7), and I think it's bad news for everyone that neither seems to have taken off.
  • Reply 19 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Hmm most reviews I have read like the OS and the devices. Even Walt, iFan, Mossberg liked it.



    Good thing a not a single one of these developers for the iPhone has ever had a problem with Apple, its wide open developers rules and the super quick and easy app approval process



    Apple Insider should stick to predicting future vapor Apple Hardware releases and quoting Jon Gruber.



    No one was disputing that Apple had some bumps in the road along the way, but there is and always has been good sales analytics and timely payments on Apple's part regarding their devs. Plus, there's also, you know, a viable market for said developers, unlike literally everything Microsoft has thrown out in the mobile space over the past 3 years.



    Plus, what "vaporware" has Apple announced and not delivered? And no, simply a different color of an identical product that is out already and is uber-popular does not count.
  • Reply 20 of 291
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fenevad View Post


    A dispassionate review could be extremely positive or extremely negative (or neither)?



    Actually, a dispassionate review isn't extremely anything. It's "meh." \
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