Doesn't shock me. Remember these are the folks at publicly announced they would reward fiolks for violating contracts and NDAs re: Apple's tablet project. And then had a reporter publicly confess to violating Cali law and buying for a felony price what under said laws is stolen property. Rumor has it they outraged a lot of companies with that stunt and it is not just Apple that let the in the party and more
As for the whole Steve thing. Obama is big with talk of supporting tech, so a little kissing up to these guys makes sense. After all if he want computers, iPads etc in all classrooms and broadband everywhere, he'll need guys like this to help and to be willing to take a loss in profits to make it happen. Cause the taxpayers won't want to fund it which is a major reason why he hasn't actually gotten anything done.
Republicans, Democrats -- most all the same wanting bigger government. No real difference except the few libertarian-leaning exceptions like Rand Paul, Ron Paul, etc.
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475
From memory he's a staunch republican. Obama trying to get money from Ballmer would be like getting blood from a stone.
Republicans, Democrats -- most all the same wanting bigger government. No real difference except the few libertarian-leaning exceptions like Rand Paul, Ron Paul, etc.
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
If the purpose of the meeting was to discuss a tax holiday for transferring money earned in other countries to banks in the US - then it is obvious why Ballmer is not there - Microsoft has no foreign profits as a result of rampant pirating - and that is a separate meeting.
Zuckerberg and Doerr are patients of mine, and I know Schmidt from when he was taking pilot training. Zuckerberg was a bit introverted, and we did not discuss anything to do with Facebook - couldn't judge his personality very deeply. Doerr, on the other hand, was intelligent, social, and engaging, and figured out some of the technicalities of my profession (Optometry) while I was doing the testing - blew me away.
Individually identifiable health information, including demographic data (e.g. a person's name), collected during the provision of healthcare is protected health information as far as HIPAA is concerned.
Anyone have the number for the CA Board of Optometry?
The Tea Party is partly a joke, based on some of their votes for the Constitution-destroying ill-named "Patriot Act" extension vote. Again, there are a few good ones, see:
By downplaying the libertarian movement, you would rather see yet greater tyranny by the transfer-payment loving government welfare queens? Big government ALWAYS MEANS LESS FREEDOM, taxation is legalized theft -- it should therefore be minimized. If you don't understand THAT from history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Also, do you realize that a minimum wage CREATES unemployment?! It does, but that is basic economics, most Americans never learn -- another reason government has failed in education -- just look at American's education scoring Vs. the rest of the world!
MORE government regulation simply stifles innovation and small business owners who have some great ideas.
If you want to know what the REAL Tea Party is, it is libertarian and for principled SMALLER GOVERNMENT, see: http://campaignforliberty.com
The libertarian philosophy is principled, NOT "overly simple-minded" -- you sir are simply misinformed.
Since you say "MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES" -- why on earth would you want to concentrate the power of theft and tyranny in government -- that is just asking for unconstitutional dictators.
Anyone who thinks government can produce jobs -- I have a bridge to sell them in London. Government NEVER produces wealth, it ONLY CONSUMES WEALTH.
If you want to learn more about why liberty is good for We The People, start reading Reason:
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
Doesn't shock me. Remember these are the folks at publicly announced they would reward fiolks for violating contracts and NDAs re: Apple's tablet project. And then had a reporter publicly confess to violating Cali law and buying for a felony price what under said laws is stolen property. Rumor has it they outraged a lot of companies with that stunt and it is not just Apple that let the in the party and more
As for the whole Steve thing. Obama is big with talk of supporting tech, so a little kissing up to these guys makes sense. After all if he want computers, iPads etc in all classrooms and broadband everywhere, he'll need guys like this to help and to be willing to take a loss in profits to make it happen. Cause the taxpayers won't want to fund it which is a major reason why he hasn't actually gotten anything done.
Gizmodo did not hire the plane. The photographer had a copyrighted credit line for another site.
The Tea Party is partly a joke, based on some of their votes for the Constitution-destroying ill-named "Patriot Act" extension vote. Again, there are a few good ones, see:
By downplaying the libertarian movement, you would rather see yet greater tyranny by the transfer-payment loving government welfare queens? Big government ALWAYS MEANS LESS FREEDOM, taxation is legalized theft -- it should therefore be minimized. If you don't understand THAT from history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Also, do you realize that a minimum wage CREATES unemployment?! It does, but that is basic economics, most Americans never learn -- another reason government has failed in education -- just look at American's education scoring Vs. the rest of the world!
MORE government regulation simply stifles innovation and small business owners who have some great ideas.
If you want to know what the REAL Tea Party is, it is libertarian and for principled SMALLER GOVERNMENT, see: http://campaignforliberty.com
The libertarian philosophy is principled, NOT "overly simple-minded" -- you sir are simply misinformed.
Since you say "MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES" -- why on earth would you want to concentrate the power of theft and tyranny in government -- that is just asking for unconstitutional dictators.
Anyone who thinks government can produce jobs -- I have a bridge to sell them in London. Government NEVER produces wealth, it ONLY CONSUMES WEALTH.
If you want to learn more about why liberty is good for We The People, start reading Reason:
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
I have to agree that the self-serving (and that's no coincidence) libertarian crap doesn't belong here. The radically selfish are too small-minded to grasp your great point that government can act as an immune system against those who would exploit the system and their fellow citizens. A certain pair of libertarian oil-business brothers comes to mind.
But more to the point is what government can do to establish broad and coherent technological, economic and cultural goals. The space program of the 60s, for example, was an early and massive demonstration of the networked interoperability of computers, in that case very large ones. There were duplicate, redundant IBM installations at Goddard and Houston for orbit management and vehicle and crew telemetry (Huntsville was in this loop also) communicating over a network controlled by a huge Univac installation at Goddard and maybe somewhere else -- I don't remember that part. The Deep Space Network of three large dishes around the world was involved in tracking, and the communication of that data was shared between Goddard and JPL.
All controlled by networked computers such as the ones you libertarians are wasting our time with to this day, not having seen that the future belongs to those who can cooperate around the world through mutual interest and knowledge. Our Prez understands this, and that's why he was talking to these people.
Edit: By the way, the NASA computer-contolled network was established before AT&T and Western Electric had deployed any of their electronic switching equipment. We were still on dial phones switched by relays stacked in ten-story central-office buildings.
I have to agree that the self-serving (and that's no coincidence) libertarian crap doesn't belong here. The radically selfish are too small-minded to grasp your great point that government can act as an immune system against those who would exploit the system and their fellow citizens. A certain pair of libertarian oil-business brothers comes to mind.
But more to the point is what government can do to establish broad and coherent technological, economic and cultural goals. The space program of the 60s, for example, was an early and massive demonstration of the networked interoperability of computers, in that case very large ones. There were duplicate, redundant IBM installations at Goddard and Houston for orbit management and vehicle and crew telemetry (Huntsville was in this loop also) communicating over a network controlled by a huge Univac installation at Goddard and maybe somewhere else -- I don't remember that part. The Deep Space Network of three large dishes around the world was involved in tracking, and the communication of that data was shared between Goddard and JPL.
All controlled by networked computers such as the ones you libertarians are wasting our time with to this day, not having seen that the future belongs to those who can cooperate around the world through mutual interest and knowledge. Our Prez understands this, and that's why he was talking to these people.
Edit: By the way, the NASA computer-contolled network was established before AT&T and Western Electric had deployed any of their electronic switching equipment. We were still on dial phones switched by relays stacked in ten-story central-office buildings.
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Quote:
Link: Libertarianism is the advocacy of individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
Why shouldn't L'ism get a bad rap here? Humorlessly and relentlessly the advocates have hijacked the topic for their own narrow ideological self-promotion. Off topic besides.
What we had was a good story about a positive event: for a change (after eight years of doctrinaire, laissez-faire ignore-ance), we have a president who realizes the direction that America should be taking in its early post-industrial ascendency.
You interpret the role of government in fostering the computer and internet revolution much too narrowly. Maybe you weren't there. What Kennedy (and perhaps Eisenhower a bit before him) did was create an entire climate of innovation and evolution of key technologies. It wasn't a matter of "pipes" for the internet. It was about broad goals of technological accomplishment.
"Your old road is rapidly aging,
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand,
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
Like that last part, Spam...good point. The govt. gets a lot of cred for 'creating' the space age, the internet, and jobs. It seems to me that when the free market got ahold of the net and ran with it, it flourished to what it is today. I'm fine with the govt. getting some credit, but just because caveman invented the wheel, we shouldn't credit them with inventing the car.
Smaller govt., lower taxes, and less regulation. These are the principles that created the phenomenal wealth this country has experienced over decades. We are going in the wrong direction and need to get back, or we'll suffer lost decades ala Japan.
Like that last part, Spam...good point. The govt. gets a lot of cred for 'creating' the space age, the internet, and jobs. It seems to me that when the free market got ahold of the net and ran with it, it flourished to what it is today. I'm fine with the govt. getting some credit, but just because caveman invented the wheel, we shouldn't credit them with inventing the car.
Smaller govt., lower taxes, and less regulation. These are the principles that created the phenomenal wealth this country has experienced over decades. We are going in the wrong direction and need to get back, or we'll suffer lost decades ala Japan.
This is exactly right. The govt does its best work when it pushes forward an ascendent technology, not mature or senescent technologies.
The govt creates the platform for a space age or an internet age and private contractors run with it and eventually own their own rockets, orbit engineers and communications networks. When the govt broke up AT&T 40 years ago it was saying that it was time to get serious about private enterprise networks, not monopoly networks. Govt was opening up telecom to computers, leaving behind voice and teletype.
You guys need to think in tectonic and evolutionary terms about govt and enterprise, and get over your doctrinaire, emotional categories. The pres. was meeting with the 12 most highly placed strategists in the networked knowledge industry. This is a new, ascendent category of enterprise. It is equal in import to transportation or energy. It didn't exist 40 years ago. It was partly or greatly made possible by govt, carried out by pvt enterprise. (Stanford's role has been to channel govt contracts into Silicon Valley academic/enterprise realization.)
Typed out on my iPad lying on the couch with a cat on my lap. Connected by Verizon, but it could have easily been AT&T or Time-Warner.
"Ever wonder Why Obama recommended Kagan for the Supreme Court?????? Word was that she defended the cases involving "the birth certificate" ...
In our Search for the truth...
...department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep you got it. Snopes lied. Everyone of those dockets are there.
So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Court?s website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking.
Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future..
*************
That being said, I'll bet you didn't know this.
Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly.
Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on...
Once again the US Senate sold us out!
Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court.... Pull up the Supreme Court's website, go to the docket and search for Obama.
She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there.
Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!
Although I hate to bite on an obvious troll attempt, you're ignoring one crucial point. Is he qualified? I don't mean is he some arbitrary number, or born on some arbitrary plot of land. Can he lead the country? Does he have the skills and abilities? Who gives a rat's a$$ if he was born outside the U.S., to non-american parents?
He's lived here for quite some time, and he's just about as american as anybody I know. You're trying to convince the country that this man should not be president because some "piece of paper" he can't produce? How valuable is a piece of paper? (Godwin's Law incoming) Why don't you ask Hitler what value a piece of paper holds? A piece of paper is just that. Makes good fire kindling, but it's all about people, and how they act. Not what's written down on a piece of paper.
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Gizmodo hired a plane? Stalker much?
Doesn't shock me. Remember these are the folks at publicly announced they would reward fiolks for violating contracts and NDAs re: Apple's tablet project. And then had a reporter publicly confess to violating Cali law and buying for a felony price what under said laws is stolen property. Rumor has it they outraged a lot of companies with that stunt and it is not just Apple that let the in the party and more
As for the whole Steve thing. Obama is big with talk of supporting tech, so a little kissing up to these guys makes sense. After all if he want computers, iPads etc in all classrooms and broadband everywhere, he'll need guys like this to help and to be willing to take a loss in profits to make it happen. Cause the taxpayers won't want to fund it which is a major reason why he hasn't actually gotten anything done.
Yep. I'm your only fan.
You and Kathy Bates.
Why does this picture look like a meeting of evil overlords conjuring plans to take over the world.
Let's expand. ->luminaries->NWO.
From memory he's a staunch republican. Obama trying to get money from Ballmer would be like getting blood from a stone.
OK, I'll say it. Of all the people at the table, I'd guess Obama makes the lowest salary.
And you'd be guessing wrong; Jobs' salary is $1.
Republicans, Democrats -- most all the same wanting bigger government.
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
Where's Ballmer?
If the purpose of the meeting was to discuss a tax holiday for transferring money earned in other countries to banks in the US - then it is obvious why Ballmer is not there - Microsoft has no foreign profits as a result of rampant pirating - and that is a separate meeting.
Zuckerberg and Doerr are patients of mine, and I know Schmidt from when he was taking pilot training. Zuckerberg was a bit introverted, and we did not discuss anything to do with Facebook - couldn't judge his personality very deeply. Doerr, on the other hand, was intelligent, social, and engaging, and figured out some of the technicalities of my profession (Optometry) while I was doing the testing - blew me away.
Individually identifiable health information, including demographic data (e.g. a person's name), collected during the provision of healthcare is protected health information as far as HIPAA is concerned.
Anyone have the number for the CA Board of Optometry?
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/fr...iotAct2011.pdf
By downplaying the libertarian movement, you would rather see yet greater tyranny by the transfer-payment loving government welfare queens? Big government ALWAYS MEANS LESS FREEDOM, taxation is legalized theft -- it should therefore be minimized. If you don't understand THAT from history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Also, do you realize that a minimum wage CREATES unemployment?! It does, but that is basic economics, most Americans never learn -- another reason government has failed in education -- just look at American's education scoring Vs. the rest of the world!
MORE government regulation simply stifles innovation and small business owners who have some great ideas.
If you want to know what the REAL Tea Party is, it is libertarian and for principled SMALLER GOVERNMENT, see: http://campaignforliberty.com
The libertarian philosophy is principled, NOT "overly simple-minded"
Since you say "MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES" -- why on earth would you want to concentrate the power of theft and tyranny in government -- that is just asking for unconstitutional dictators.
Anyone who thinks government can produce jobs -- I have a bridge to sell them in London. Government NEVER produces wealth, it ONLY CONSUMES WEALTH.
If you want to learn more about why liberty is good for We The People, start reading Reason:
http://reason.com/
and Liberty:
http://www.libertyunbound.com/
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
Doesn't shock me. Remember these are the folks at publicly announced they would reward fiolks for violating contracts and NDAs re: Apple's tablet project. And then had a reporter publicly confess to violating Cali law and buying for a felony price what under said laws is stolen property. Rumor has it they outraged a lot of companies with that stunt and it is not just Apple that let the in the party and more
As for the whole Steve thing. Obama is big with talk of supporting tech, so a little kissing up to these guys makes sense. After all if he want computers, iPads etc in all classrooms and broadband everywhere, he'll need guys like this to help and to be willing to take a loss in profits to make it happen. Cause the taxpayers won't want to fund it which is a major reason why he hasn't actually gotten anything done.
Gizmodo did not hire the plane. The photographer had a copyrighted credit line for another site.
The Tea Party is partly a joke, based on some of their votes for the Constitution-destroying ill-named "Patriot Act" extension vote. Again, there are a few good ones, see:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/fr...iotAct2011.pdf
By downplaying the libertarian movement, you would rather see yet greater tyranny by the transfer-payment loving government welfare queens? Big government ALWAYS MEANS LESS FREEDOM, taxation is legalized theft -- it should therefore be minimized. If you don't understand THAT from history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Also, do you realize that a minimum wage CREATES unemployment?! It does, but that is basic economics, most Americans never learn -- another reason government has failed in education -- just look at American's education scoring Vs. the rest of the world!
MORE government regulation simply stifles innovation and small business owners who have some great ideas.
If you want to know what the REAL Tea Party is, it is libertarian and for principled SMALLER GOVERNMENT, see: http://campaignforliberty.com
The libertarian philosophy is principled, NOT "overly simple-minded"
Since you say "MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES" -- why on earth would you want to concentrate the power of theft and tyranny in government -- that is just asking for unconstitutional dictators.
Anyone who thinks government can produce jobs -- I have a bridge to sell them in London. Government NEVER produces wealth, it ONLY CONSUMES WEALTH.
If you want to learn more about why liberty is good for We The People, start reading Reason:
http://reason.com/
and Liberty:
http://www.libertyunbound.com/
Nice to see your post. Always room for more reason on the boards here.
Stop with the ``libertarian leaning'' crap. The US Libertarian movement doesn't remotely resemble its older European roots. The libertarian leaning isn't even a poor man's US Libertarian Movement which changes it's stripes every year. Ron and Rand are pandering to a fantasy where markets are self-regulating for the common good--a fallacy proven throughout the history of humanity.
The Tea Party is a joke. It's populated by a contingency of overly simple-minded folk with good intentions [in some areas] that haven't a clue how complex a 310 Million+ population requires to run just services let alone to make it run efficiently for All.
Shouting about returning to the good ol' days where indentured servitude and cheap labor as if they will benefit from this small government speaks volumes to the overall ignorance.
People need to get this through their heads: MANKIND IS NOT, IN GENERAL, A DECENT AND COMPASSIONATE SPECIES.
It's a self-serving, narcissistic species--a virus.
Government is the Immune System. When it's unhealthy the virus pounces. When it's healthy the disease fights doubly hard to destroy it.
I have to agree that the self-serving (and that's no coincidence) libertarian crap doesn't belong here. The radically selfish are too small-minded to grasp your great point that government can act as an immune system against those who would exploit the system and their fellow citizens. A certain pair of libertarian oil-business brothers comes to mind.
But more to the point is what government can do to establish broad and coherent technological, economic and cultural goals. The space program of the 60s, for example, was an early and massive demonstration of the networked interoperability of computers, in that case very large ones. There were duplicate, redundant IBM installations at Goddard and Houston for orbit management and vehicle and crew telemetry (Huntsville was in this loop also) communicating over a network controlled by a huge Univac installation at Goddard and maybe somewhere else -- I don't remember that part. The Deep Space Network of three large dishes around the world was involved in tracking, and the communication of that data was shared between Goddard and JPL.
All controlled by networked computers such as the ones you libertarians are wasting our time with to this day, not having seen that the future belongs to those who can cooperate around the world through mutual interest and knowledge. Our Prez understands this, and that's why he was talking to these people.
Edit: By the way, the NASA computer-contolled network was established before AT&T and Western Electric had deployed any of their electronic switching equipment. We were still on dial phones switched by relays stacked in ten-story central-office buildings.
I have to agree that the self-serving (and that's no coincidence) libertarian crap doesn't belong here. The radically selfish are too small-minded to grasp your great point that government can act as an immune system against those who would exploit the system and their fellow citizens. A certain pair of libertarian oil-business brothers comes to mind.
But more to the point is what government can do to establish broad and coherent technological, economic and cultural goals. The space program of the 60s, for example, was an early and massive demonstration of the networked interoperability of computers, in that case very large ones. There were duplicate, redundant IBM installations at Goddard and Houston for orbit management and vehicle and crew telemetry (Huntsville was in this loop also) communicating over a network controlled by a huge Univac installation at Goddard and maybe somewhere else -- I don't remember that part. The Deep Space Network of three large dishes around the world was involved in tracking, and the communication of that data was shared between Goddard and JPL.
All controlled by networked computers such as the ones you libertarians are wasting our time with to this day, not having seen that the future belongs to those who can cooperate around the world through mutual interest and knowledge. Our Prez understands this, and that's why he was talking to these people.
Edit: By the way, the NASA computer-contolled network was established before AT&T and Western Electric had deployed any of their electronic switching equipment. We were still on dial phones switched by relays stacked in ten-story central-office buildings.
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Link: Libertarianism is the advocacy of individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt ....it would have evolved in one form or another anyway...
Since the government did, this is a silly argument. You can't observe the counterfactual, so it's a cheap/easy/strawman statement to make.
More seriously, please name one modern, global public good that has 'evolved anyway in one form or the other' through solely private efforts.
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
Why shouldn't L'ism get a bad rap here? Humorlessly and relentlessly the advocates have hijacked the topic for their own narrow ideological self-promotion. Off topic besides.
What we had was a good story about a positive event: for a change (after eight years of doctrinaire, laissez-faire ignore-ance), we have a president who realizes the direction that America should be taking in its early post-industrial ascendency.
You interpret the role of government in fostering the computer and internet revolution much too narrowly. Maybe you weren't there. What Kennedy (and perhaps Eisenhower a bit before him) did was create an entire climate of innovation and evolution of key technologies. It wasn't a matter of "pipes" for the internet. It was about broad goals of technological accomplishment.
"Your old road is rapidly aging,
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand,
For the times they are a-changing."
Looks like Libertarianism is getting a bad rap here, thanks to some oft repeated misinformation.
Let's check with Wikipedia for a very brief definition, shall we?
Just to clear something up... It never seems to occur to people that ALL people are "selfish", it's called self-interest. When groups of people band together to pass legislation that benefits them and their special interest(s), for example. This happens on every part of the political spectrum, so blaming one "side" or the other is simply ignoring reality and human nature.
Also, one of the key philosophical points in Libertarianism is cooperation, free trade and non-aggression. Ideas that typically appeal to tech people and business people. If the government never laid the "pipes" to create the Internet, I have no doubt it would have evolved in one form or another anyway. Probably with mesh networks.
Like that last part, Spam...good point. The govt. gets a lot of cred for 'creating' the space age, the internet, and jobs. It seems to me that when the free market got ahold of the net and ran with it, it flourished to what it is today. I'm fine with the govt. getting some credit, but just because caveman invented the wheel, we shouldn't credit them with inventing the car.
Smaller govt., lower taxes, and less regulation. These are the principles that created the phenomenal wealth this country has experienced over decades. We are going in the wrong direction and need to get back, or we'll suffer lost decades ala Japan.
Like that last part, Spam...good point. The govt. gets a lot of cred for 'creating' the space age, the internet, and jobs. It seems to me that when the free market got ahold of the net and ran with it, it flourished to what it is today. I'm fine with the govt. getting some credit, but just because caveman invented the wheel, we shouldn't credit them with inventing the car.
Smaller govt., lower taxes, and less regulation. These are the principles that created the phenomenal wealth this country has experienced over decades. We are going in the wrong direction and need to get back, or we'll suffer lost decades ala Japan.
This is exactly right. The govt does its best work when it pushes forward an ascendent technology, not mature or senescent technologies.
The govt creates the platform for a space age or an internet age and private contractors run with it and eventually own their own rockets, orbit engineers and communications networks. When the govt broke up AT&T 40 years ago it was saying that it was time to get serious about private enterprise networks, not monopoly networks. Govt was opening up telecom to computers, leaving behind voice and teletype.
You guys need to think in tectonic and evolutionary terms about govt and enterprise, and get over your doctrinaire, emotional categories. The pres. was meeting with the 12 most highly placed strategists in the networked knowledge industry. This is a new, ascendent category of enterprise. It is equal in import to transportation or energy. It didn't exist 40 years ago. It was partly or greatly made possible by govt, carried out by pvt enterprise. (Stanford's role has been to channel govt contracts into Silicon Valley academic/enterprise realization.)
Typed out on my iPad lying on the couch with a cat on my lap. Connected by Verizon, but it could have easily been AT&T or Time-Warner.
These meetings indicate just how clueless the government's business policies are and how they unfairly favor big business.
From Businessweek:
Source: http://www.businessweek.com/debatero..._business.html
While it may be true, generally using a biased source is not the best way to approach it. The article's source? Small Business Administration.
That's like HP's slideshow, showing their mobile OS beating out all others...their source? A random survey not indicative of the current market usage.
You got the second half right.
Hmm, better do some homework:
"Ever wonder Why Obama recommended Kagan for the Supreme Court?????? Word was that she defended the cases involving "the birth certificate" ...
In our Search for the truth...
...department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep you got it. Snopes lied. Everyone of those dockets are there.
So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Court?s website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking.
Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future..
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That being said, I'll bet you didn't know this.
Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly.
Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on...
Once again the US Senate sold us out!
Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court.... Pull up the Supreme Court's website, go to the docket and search for Obama.
She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there.
Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!
Check out these examples:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.a...es/09-8857.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.a...es/09-6790.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.a...les/09-724.htm
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Although I hate to bite on an obvious troll attempt, you're ignoring one crucial point. Is he qualified? I don't mean is he some arbitrary number, or born on some arbitrary plot of land. Can he lead the country? Does he have the skills and abilities? Who gives a rat's a$$ if he was born outside the U.S., to non-american parents?
He's lived here for quite some time, and he's just about as american as anybody I know. You're trying to convince the country that this man should not be president because some "piece of paper" he can't produce? How valuable is a piece of paper? (Godwin's Law incoming) Why don't you ask Hitler what value a piece of paper holds? A piece of paper is just that. Makes good fire kindling, but it's all about people, and how they act. Not what's written down on a piece of paper.