Jeesh! This is simple. I've already responded to it.
Get another HDD, either external or internal, and put SL on that, and use it as a startup drive with all your old apps.
It's not as simple as that. In general, no Mac will run an older version of the operating system than it came with because the older OS doesn't support the latest hardware (new device drivers and what have you). So, if you needed to run 10.5 for some reason and had to go out and buy a new Mac today, you'd be out of luck.
You can often run older OS's on machines a generation or two later. That should last several years of upgrades, as most people keep their machines for at least two years. That should give you another two or three years here.
I haven't been keeping track but I'm pretty sure that's not true.
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But most programs have equivalents that are pretty close... Even if we like an old program, it's time to go and find another. Often, people who say there isn't another haven't looked hard enough.
Sorry, no offence, but that's completely barmy advice! Why on earth should someone be expected to take a perfectly good tool they're familiar with, they enjoy using, and that does the job then throw it out and start researching all over again? Forget the cost of buying some more software, it's the time spent searching for and then learning the replacement that's crucial. How is that supposed to be the epitome of a good user experience?
The plot thickens! I have Bryce 6 (next to latest version, 7 just released). I discovered that it is indeed universal. I was previously looking at Bryce 6 setup (on another computer) and this is PPC! So the good news is that Bryce lives on. Have another look at Bryce, I know how you feel but they have been doing a lot of work on it (still 32 bit) and you might find it interesting.
All the best.
Well, I'm happy you found the Intel version. I use this these days:
So when people post that there is nothing to replace their beloved product, which may not be up to modern tasks anyway, I tend to believe that it's only because people are not really interested in finding out.
All of those programs are better than Bryce is today. Some by a long way.
It's not as simple as that. In general, no Mac will run an older version of the operating system than it came with because the older OS doesn't support the latest hardware (new device drivers and what have you). So, if you needed to run 10.5 for some reason and had to go out and buy a new Mac today, you'd be out of luck.
That's not always true. In the bad ild days, Apple needed a unique bit of software for each machine because of that. but if a new machine doesn't have something that's unique, often the older OS will work. In addition, very often you can install that OS on an external drive somewhere else, if need be, and then use it as your start-up, and it works. I've done it, so I know it works.
I think the loss of Front Row fits with Lion's support for full screen apps. Most media apps already are capable of running full screen, so I don't see the loss of Front Row as a big deal.
I haven't been keeping track but I'm pretty sure that's not true.
You can be pretty sure, but I've done it. It doesn't always work, but as I said in my other post just before this, there are ways...
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Sorry, no offence, but that's completely barmy advice! Why on earth should someone be expected to take a perfectly good tool they're familiar with, they enjoy using, and that does the job then throw it out and start researching all over again? Forget the cost of buying some more software, it's the time spent searching for and then learning the replacement that's crucial. How is that supposed to be the epitome of a good user experience?
Really! At some point in time ALL programs you have will not work on a new machine. Like it or not, that's a fact. It could have been two years ago, or it could be two years from now, but it will happen. So, like it or not, you will have to go shopping for something else. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to transfer data over.
I've had to do this a number of times over the years, including moving data from one platform to another. You can do it, and you will find a program that works. It's a learning experience, and you will miss the way you did things, and the lack of some features, but you will gain others, and it will work.
It's naive to expect a company to support every old program that's out there. I'm sure that there are people who ares till frothing over at the fact that System 9 programs aren't supported, or 68xxx programs. But, they got over it, and so will you. Even MS eventually eliminated support for DOS. It happens, and people shouldn't be surprised when it does.
Very concerned about dropping Rosetta - need it for running my homeopathic software - named Macrepertory - reference works ( including more than 700 books) Should all homeopathic doctors switch to the windows version of this software - I know that there are thousands out there using a Mac for their work!!!
The developer of this advanced homeopathic software died last year - so it will take a lot of effort to be intel only.
Upgrading from SnowLeo to Lion should provide, that I can use my preinstalled Rosetta. I can understand, that new programs, which want to use this old environment are getting a stop signal!
Instead of all this speculation, perhaps someone with a copy of the Lion preview can say whether Rosetta runs or not. I know from reading around the net that Lion boots into the 64 bit kernel by default. Since it's only going to support the 64 bit machines, Lion might not even have a 32 bit kernel. I think that's the reason Rosetta can't run. But if Lion can be booted to a 32 bit kernel, perhaps Rosetta will work after all.
Very concerned about dropping Rosetta - need it for running my homeopathic software - named Macrepertory - reference works ( including more than 700 books) Should all homeopathic doctors switch to the windows version of this software - I know that there are thousands out there using a Mac for their work!!!
The developer of this advanced homeopathic software died last year - so it will take a lot of effort to be intel only.
Upgrading from SnowLeo to Lion should provide, that I can use my preinstalled Rosetta. I can understand, that new programs, which want to use this old environment are getting a stop signal!
This makes sense to me!!!
Using Windows for this app seems to be the best idea, assuming you need to upgrade your OS at all. Do you use the computer this is installed on for anything else?
Instead of all this speculation, perhaps someone with a copy of the Lion preview can say whether Rosetta runs or not. I know from reading around the net that Lion boots into the 64 bit kernel by default. Since it's only going to support the 64 bit machines, Lion might not even have a 32 bit kernel. I think that's the reason Rosetta can't run. But if Lion can be booted to a 32 bit kernel, perhaps Rosetta will work after all.
That's another thing. Word is that it won't support 32 bit Yonah machines.
That was the 32 bit Core Duo, right. It only ever shipped in the very first Intel MacBooks, didn't it--back in 2007?
Before that. It was the first Intel chip in a Mac. But this likely, if word is correct, won't support any 32 bit Intel chips, including those in Hackintoshes.
I will admit I took lion out for a spin and I did not love it (but I can see it growing on me )
BUT...
OSX lion is still in beta mode.
One can assume it will include better support all around once the final release comes out (I would like to see the dashboard having a picture background) Lion is missing some of the core functionalities/applications of mac one can assume that front row will be released in the final version. As for rosetta, you can assume that some developer will come out with another translator or apple will come out with rosetta in the final release. Java will definitely come with the final release.
i'm keen to try out a front row substitute if its going to disappear soon
Front Row enables me to go from my Mac desktop to viewing movies, tv shows, photos, music, audiobooks, podcasts (audio and video), iTunesU audio and video - all with one click of a remote button and a simply navigated interface
I've looked at plex, boxee and xbmc and they dont seem to offer all those functions - am i missing something?
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Jeesh! This is simple. I've already responded to it.
Get another HDD, either external or internal, and put SL on that, and use it as a startup drive with all your old apps.
It's not as simple as that. In general, no Mac will run an older version of the operating system than it came with because the older OS doesn't support the latest hardware (new device drivers and what have you). So, if you needed to run 10.5 for some reason and had to go out and buy a new Mac today, you'd be out of luck.
You can often run older OS's on machines a generation or two later. That should last several years of upgrades, as most people keep their machines for at least two years. That should give you another two or three years here.
I haven't been keeping track but I'm pretty sure that's not true.
But most programs have equivalents that are pretty close... Even if we like an old program, it's time to go and find another. Often, people who say there isn't another haven't looked hard enough.
Sorry, no offence, but that's completely barmy advice! Why on earth should someone be expected to take a perfectly good tool they're familiar with, they enjoy using, and that does the job then throw it out and start researching all over again? Forget the cost of buying some more software, it's the time spent searching for and then learning the replacement that's crucial. How is that supposed to be the epitome of a good user experience?
The plot thickens! I have Bryce 6 (next to latest version, 7 just released). I discovered that it is indeed universal. I was previously looking at Bryce 6 setup (on another computer) and this is PPC! So the good news is that Bryce lives on. Have another look at Bryce, I know how you feel but they have been doing a lot of work on it (still 32 bit) and you might find it interesting.
All the best.
Well, I'm happy you found the Intel version. I use this these days:
http://www.planetside.co.uk/
It's much better than Bryce, which has been relegated to amateur status. It's too bad, because it was unique for a while.
There's also this:
http://www.pandromeda.com/products/mojoworldpro.php
and this;
http://naturalgfx.com/
and this:
http://www.planetside.co.uk/
and this:
http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/
So when people post that there is nothing to replace their beloved product, which may not be up to modern tasks anyway, I tend to believe that it's only because people are not really interested in finding out.
All of those programs are better than Bryce is today. Some by a long way.
It's not as simple as that. In general, no Mac will run an older version of the operating system than it came with because the older OS doesn't support the latest hardware (new device drivers and what have you). So, if you needed to run 10.5 for some reason and had to go out and buy a new Mac today, you'd be out of luck.
That's not always true. In the bad ild days, Apple needed a unique bit of software for each machine because of that. but if a new machine doesn't have something that's unique, often the older OS will work. In addition, very often you can install that OS on an external drive somewhere else, if need be, and then use it as your start-up, and it works. I've done it, so I know it works.
I haven't been keeping track but I'm pretty sure that's not true.
You can be pretty sure, but I've done it. It doesn't always work, but as I said in my other post just before this, there are ways...
Sorry, no offence, but that's completely barmy advice! Why on earth should someone be expected to take a perfectly good tool they're familiar with, they enjoy using, and that does the job then throw it out and start researching all over again? Forget the cost of buying some more software, it's the time spent searching for and then learning the replacement that's crucial. How is that supposed to be the epitome of a good user experience?
Really! At some point in time ALL programs you have will not work on a new machine. Like it or not, that's a fact. It could have been two years ago, or it could be two years from now, but it will happen. So, like it or not, you will have to go shopping for something else. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to transfer data over.
I've had to do this a number of times over the years, including moving data from one platform to another. You can do it, and you will find a program that works. It's a learning experience, and you will miss the way you did things, and the lack of some features, but you will gain others, and it will work.
It's naive to expect a company to support every old program that's out there. I'm sure that there are people who ares till frothing over at the fact that System 9 programs aren't supported, or 68xxx programs. But, they got over it, and so will you. Even MS eventually eliminated support for DOS. It happens, and people shouldn't be surprised when it does.
The developer of this advanced homeopathic software died last year - so it will take a lot of effort to be intel only.
Upgrading from SnowLeo to Lion should provide, that I can use my preinstalled Rosetta. I can understand, that new programs, which want to use this old environment are getting a stop signal!
This makes sense to me!!!
Very concerned about dropping Rosetta - need it for running my homeopathic software - named Macrepertory - reference works ( including more than 700 books) Should all homeopathic doctors switch to the windows version of this software - I know that there are thousands out there using a Mac for their work!!!
The developer of this advanced homeopathic software died last year - so it will take a lot of effort to be intel only.
Upgrading from SnowLeo to Lion should provide, that I can use my preinstalled Rosetta. I can understand, that new programs, which want to use this old environment are getting a stop signal!
This makes sense to me!!!
Using Windows for this app seems to be the best idea, assuming you need to upgrade your OS at all. Do you use the computer this is installed on for anything else?
Instead of all this speculation, perhaps someone with a copy of the Lion preview can say whether Rosetta runs or not. I know from reading around the net that Lion boots into the 64 bit kernel by default. Since it's only going to support the 64 bit machines, Lion might not even have a 32 bit kernel. I think that's the reason Rosetta can't run. But if Lion can be booted to a 32 bit kernel, perhaps Rosetta will work after all.
That's another thing. Word is that it won't support 32 bit Yonah machines.
That's another thing. Word is that it won't support 32 bit Yonah machines.
That was the 32 bit Core Duo, right. It only ever shipped in the very first Intel MacBooks, didn't it--back in 2007?
That was the 32 bit Core Duo, right. It only ever shipped in the very first Intel MacBooks, didn't it--back in 2007?
My 2006 MBP (1st gen) is Core Duo. It's finally being replaced this weekend
That was the 32 bit Core Duo, right. It only ever shipped in the very first Intel MacBooks, didn't it--back in 2007?
Before that. It was the first Intel chip in a Mac. But this likely, if word is correct, won't support any 32 bit Intel chips, including those in Hackintoshes.
BUT...
OSX lion is still in beta mode.
One can assume it will include better support all around once the final release comes out (I would like to see the dashboard having a picture background) Lion is missing some of the core functionalities/applications of mac one can assume that front row will be released in the final version. As for rosetta, you can assume that some developer will come out with another translator or apple will come out with rosetta in the final release. Java will definitely come with the final release.
I will admit I took lion out for a spin and I did not love it
Probably because you're not supposed to have it.
As for rosetta, you can assume that some developer will come out with another translator or apple will come out with rosetta in the final release.
Sure hope not.
Java will definitely come with the final release.
highly doubt this. If you want Java, you will download the most current VM from Oracle.
highly doubt this. If you want Java, you will download the most current VM from Oracle.
No, Java 1.6 will be supplied by Apple, but it will likely be a download just as it currently is in the developer preview.
i'm keen to try out a front row substitute if its going to disappear soon
Front Row enables me to go from my Mac desktop to viewing movies, tv shows, photos, music, audiobooks, podcasts (audio and video), iTunesU audio and video - all with one click of a remote button and a simply navigated interface
I've looked at plex, boxee and xbmc and they dont seem to offer all those functions - am i missing something?
thanks
I assume that the latest OS is not always the best choice, when running a good software - I think I am on "wait"
Good software being... stuff that hasn't been updated since aught five?
And Java?