Aren't you the smart one! Humility isn't one of your strong points, is it? I currently have two high end Intel Mac Pro's that I use but my two 12" Powerbooks (1.5ghz, 1.25M, OS 10.5.8) are still very serviceable and meet all my needs when I use them on the road. While I have very few PPC apps (by the way, my MS Office is new - 2008), I can see no reason to toss anything that still is working. Apple has begun to work on the same planned short term obsolescence model that Microsoft is famous for and that is what I am reacting to. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
It's the concept of using PPC apps on a modern computer that's broken.
I thought people here were supposed to be technical in nature and so wouldn't think this was a big deal to fix? I'm surprised to know that that's wrong.
So, for the third time:
Buy an external HDD, install SL on it with all your PPC apps, and startup from there. 2.5" externals are small, and can run directly off the computer for people who are using laptops. If you need more speed, get an internal 3.5, unless your bays are filled, as mine are. So buy a 3.5" external. No big problem. Annoying, sometimes, but not major. Costs for these are pretty low these days.
Apple can't be expected to cater to the few people who aren't really interested in upgrading anyway. They have a business to run, and that means selling new products, and making money. This means that people should expect to be buying a new machine six years after something has been rendered obsolete, which PPC is.
For those of us with newer machines, it still isn't impossible to do this. It's not worth the expressions of distress I'm seeing here. A hundred bucks or less will fix the problem.
For me the big issue is loss of Canvas. While I think I can find a Canvas replacement, I have 20 years of Canvas files that cannot be read with other software. A lot of work went into those files and, as with draw programs, many components can be reused.
A few solutions:
1. someone writes a rosetta replacement.
2. dual boot
3. (dread) buy the windows version of Canvas and run under windows (but I'm doubtful it will open all old files).
Best Solution: A canvas replacement that can read old canvas files.
At first glance it looks an awful lot like Quicken Essentials - still, I might give it a try - don't really have a choice when the time comes to move to 10.7.
VueScan will work with a FireWire to SCSI converter cable, and usually, it depends on the scanner more than VueScan, a USB to SCSI converter cable.
Maybe that changed since I started using VueScan - either that or it was some other category of devices (maybe a particular brand) that was unsupported.
Why is Apple doing this? All three are useful. At least I can still get Java. But as long as I need the Epson scanner and jGRASP (for school), I can't upgrade to Lion.
Current versions of jGRASP should be able to run without Rosetta, but you'll need to get the "zip" version of jGRASP, edit the bin/jgrasp script by replacing the "Darwin" in "$OS" = Darwin (the second occurrence of "Darwin" in the script) with something else, then run bin/jgrasp. This will run it in its UNIX/Linux mode. This is untested, but it should work.
We'll get it fixed up for full compatibility in the near future.
Jeesh! This is simple. I've already responded to it.
Get another HDD, either external or internal, and put SL on that, and use it as a startup drive with all your old apps.
This isn't the end of the world guys! There are easy workarounds if you really can't let go of your babies.
Except often Apple ships hardware that you can't run older OSes on.
You mentioned several times that people like me aren't "customers" so why should Apple care. You've got it totally backwards. I am a customer. I upgrade my Apple hardware regularly. This decision actually prevents me from being a future customer, or at least makes it harder to be one. Sure, on my current hardware I could install SL on an external drive (although I think rebooting is a very lame workaround). But what happens a year from now when Apple ships new MBPs that won't boot SL?
There are other options. For some programs, it may be adequate to run them on an older mini someplace on your network and use screen sharing. That would probably work for me for Quicken. And maybe that will buy enough time for Intuit to get their act together.
Obviously, Apple can do whatever it wants. But it really hasn't been that long since key Mac software was finally made fully Intel native, including some of Apple's own. How long were PPC Macs able to run 68k code? How long was Classic available in OSX? Yes, PPC will eventually need to go, this transition just seems a bit more hasty than previous ones.
Maybe that changed since I started using VueScan - either that or it was some other category of devices (maybe a particular brand) that was unsupported.
I've got a UMAX Powerlook 3000 running from my Mac Pro using a Belkin FW to SCSI converter. I mostly use it with Silverfast, which is better, but I still upgrade VueScan out of sentimental reasons, and occasionally use that as well to see how it's doing these days. I haven't had a problem. But the Belkin has been discontinued for a while now. Possibly one can be found on eBay.
Except often Apple ships hardware that you can't run older OSes on.
You mentioned several times that people like me aren't "customers" so why should Apple care. You've got it totally backwards. I am a customer. I upgrade my Apple hardware regularly. This decision actually prevents me from being a future customer, or at least makes it harder to be one. Sure, on my current hardware I could install SL on an external drive (although I think rebooting is a very lame workaround). But what happens a year from now when Apple ships new MBPs that won't boot SL?
There are other options. For some programs, it may be adequate to run them on an older mini someplace on your network and use screen sharing. That would probably work for me for Quicken. And maybe that will buy enough time for Intuit to get their act together.
Obviously, Apple can do whatever it wants. But it really hasn't been that long since key Mac software was finally made fully Intel native, including some of Apple's own. How long were PPC Macs able to run 68k code? How long was Classic available in OSX? Yes, PPC will eventually need to go, this transition just seems a bit more hasty than previous ones.
You can often run older OS's on machines a generation or two later. That should last several years of upgrades, as most people keep their machines for at least two years. That should give you another two or three years here.
But most programs have equivalents that are pretty close. This is really just a matter of biting the bullet. You know that at some point you will have no choice anyway. You might as well do it sooner rather than later. Most of the time, when people think that they really must use that old software, it's just a matter of not wanting to let go of something that feels familiar. Sure, other software may not have all the features, but it will usually have others that are better in some way.
A friend of mine switched from PC to MAC a couple of years ago and runs Windows so he can continue to use Quicken from there. He's not terribly bothered by it. It's a better app anyway if we're being truthful.
Then I see people saying that some program they need so badly isn't in Intel form, like Canvas, when it is. It makes me wonder if they really need that app so badly that they can't be bothered to go to the developer's site to find out, and have to complain about it here instead.
Or an old outdated, and surpassed program like Bryce.
I find this whole thing to be wonky. Even if we like an old program, it's time to go and find another. Often, people who say there isn't another haven't looked hard enough.
Hmm... its more of a problem that some software is not going to be updated.
Starcraft 1, Diablo 2 for example.
Other games as well. Unlike utility software like Office or Photoshop. Most companies release a game, then a few patches and then abandon it.
And then there are unsupported software that may be essential, Pagemaker users are still stuck in Classic (I know someone who works in updating legacy files in pagemaker. They can't migrate to a modern system since it uses Classic Fonts that never made it to OSX).
There isn't anything out there quite like Canvas. It's more of an engineering tool than an artist tool in a way which sets it apart from Photoshop or Pixelmator.
And the way UB works... its not hard to just allow the option to package the legacy frameworks for Rosetta.
I will. I can just see Boxee pushing forward with the Mac given that the Boxee Box is a competitor. Apple needs something more than apps that run better elsewhere. Front Row obviously has issues, but it is integrated and could be improved or replaced with something better. The Apple TV is not for everyone. Saying to use Boxee or XBMC or VLC is like telling someone the Mac has nothing special to offer.
I suppose the remote would be the next thing to go? Mac Mini gone?
I don't like the trend here. In any case, if I wanted to run Boxee ( and I don't) I would buy a Boxee Box.
It wasn't too long ago that VLC was rumoured to be dropping the Mac.
Why is anyone using Front Row with Boxee, Plex, XBMC all available on the mac?
Because it is well integrated. I will grant you that Plex is a great program. XBMC and Boxee are competitors, especially Boxee. Why should I rely on that? You can run XBMC and Boxee on very inexpensive hardware. I am not sure you have thought through the implications of Apple not being serious about media playback. Do you feel they should stop selling the Mini?
I will. I can just see Boxee pushing forward with the Mac given that the Boxee Box is a competitor. Apple needs something more than apps that run better elsewhere. Front Row obviously has issues, but it is integrated and could be improved or replaced with something better. The Apple TV is not for everyone. Saying to use Boxee or XBMC or VLC is like telling someone the Mac has nothing special to offer.
Had Apple updated Front Row and kept it in-step with the AppleTV, I might feel differently.
The Mac needs a media player with a remote interface. Boxee is okay. FrontRow is hopeless. In fact it is an irritation.
Me - using a remote to control Boxee
Daughter - trying to work on her Macbook.
Result: cries of exasperation from daughter as random media events push to fore.
Had Apple updated Front Row and kept it in-step with the AppleTV, I might feel differently.
The Mac needs a media player with a remote interface. Boxee is okay. FrontRow is hopeless. In fact it is an irritation.
Me - using a remote to control Boxee
Daughter - trying to work on her Macbook.
Result: cries of exasperation from daughter as random media events push to fore.
C.
I see your point. I just don't see Boxee and other competitors as a longrun solution. I agree that Apple should have a better media player. I am not a Boxee fan though I like XBMC and Plex. I must point out that I can use FrontRow to watch my EyeTV HD recordings that have been marked with comskip to remove ads. You can't do that with Plex/XBMC/Boxee.
I don't quite understand what it is that people dislike about frontrow. It has metadata, integrates with iTunes, integrates with EyeTV, plays back most every file, etc ( with Perian installed).
I can see making a case for Plex, but its client is not a high priority on the Mac. They have to take care of LG first.
Microsoft Query as part of MS Office 2011 for Mac is listed as a Power PC App. That's messed up.
That's seriously messed up. I just installed MS Office 2011 a couple of weeks ago (out of necessity not preference).
I deleted all my PPC legacy apps in order to get ready for Lion (hadn't used any of them for years - was sorry to say goodbye to GraphicConverter as it had been my friend many years ago). The only ones I didn't were:-
Microsoft Query
Open XML for Charts
Open XML for Excel
Open XML for Word
pptfc
They are all MS code supporting Office from either August or December 2010. Let's hope they tweak those before the summer comes around.
As for Front Row - always looked nice and wowed people I demo'ed a Mac too, but I didn't use it. Maybe we'll see it in the App store for 99c?
And Java - seems like it's all nicely taken care of.
Of course, both the CS5 and Office 2008 core applications are 64 bit Intel (mostly?).
Bryce has no equivalent that I know of, with its range of capabilities and has a rich heritage. Something nice about the application actually, is the community that includes Mac and Windows users (up to Leopard and Win 7) talking on the one forum. (...and the creativity on display!)
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Originally Posted by melgross
I used to use Bryce. But it fell behind years ago. Now, it's not very good. There are much better programs available, but they will cost you. Such is progress.
The plot thickens! I have Bryce 6 (next to latest version, 7 just released). I discovered that it is indeed universal. I was previously looking at Bryce 6 setup (on another computer) and this is PPC! So the good news is that Bryce lives on. Have another look at Bryce, I know how you feel but they have been doing a lot of work on it (still 32 bit) and you might find it interesting.
Guess I'm in the minority here but I'd really miss Front Row and the remote - hope they keep it onboard or as a download (i'd pay for it or similar)
Its very handy when chilling in a hotel room and wanting to catch up with podcasts, watch tv/movies, play music or catch up with iTunesU study - not about to lug AppleTV around for that...
Sure it's got odd behaviour cos its never been paid much attention too and updated properly (lack of proper integration with Aperture is a major bugbear) but surely that can't require that much in the way of resources - its such a small app - and sets Macs apart from other pcs - why lose it altogether
Damned, I agree 100% with you. And Diablo 2 works just fine too, I happen to have done a Necromancer a few weeks ago... I hope we still get a way to run those apps...
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Originally Posted by ltcommander.data
No Rosetta? There are still a good number of great PowerPC games I still like to play. Starcraft chief among them. With Starcraft II in the wild, I don't know how much motivation Blizzard would have to make a UB for the original Starcraft.
I just checked the Info boxes for both Starcraft and Diablo II and neither of them have (PowerPC) next to Application, so I think we may be OK.
On the other hand, Quicken 2007 says (PowerPC). This is truly terrible as Intuit only publishes a hamstrung version now. Maybe we can threaten to kick Bill Campbell off the board unless Intuit brings its Mac versions to parity with Windows. Porting some of its other products like TurboTax for the Professionals would be great. Under the ugly but necessary category would be porting TurboTax Business to Macs because it has Trust tax returns which *consumers* must file when their parents' Living Trusts kick in.
Everquest Mac is also PowerPC. Maybe Asypr can port it anew, like they did Civ III.
I don't quite understand what it is that people dislike about frontrow. It has metadata, integrates with iTunes, integrates with EyeTV, plays back most every file, etc ( with Perian installed).
Perian struggles with MKVs especially if the file is being streamed across a network.
Boxee goes off to the internet to get its own metadata - which is considerably more pleasant than trying to tag movies by hand in iTunes.
I will miss FrontRow. I hope they include an updated version in the final product or upgrade iTunes to include the functionality!
I've been a little sad about the prospect of losing FrontRow in Lion, because this is a feature I use quite regularly. It occurred to me that iTunes may finally incorporate this functionality as a Full Screen app, since FrontRow duplicated a subset of iTunes and seemed to be tricky to keep in sync.
I hope they do this, I'll miss it if they don't, but life will go on, and I can continue to use my AppleTV 2.
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Aren't you the smart one! Humility isn't one of your strong points, is it? I currently have two high end Intel Mac Pro's that I use but my two 12" Powerbooks (1.5ghz, 1.25M, OS 10.5.8) are still very serviceable and meet all my needs when I use them on the road. While I have very few PPC apps (by the way, my MS Office is new - 2008), I can see no reason to toss anything that still is working. Apple has begun to work on the same planned short term obsolescence model that Microsoft is famous for and that is what I am reacting to. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
It's the concept of using PPC apps on a modern computer that's broken.
I thought people here were supposed to be technical in nature and so wouldn't think this was a big deal to fix? I'm surprised to know that that's wrong.
So, for the third time:
Buy an external HDD, install SL on it with all your PPC apps, and startup from there. 2.5" externals are small, and can run directly off the computer for people who are using laptops. If you need more speed, get an internal 3.5, unless your bays are filled, as mine are. So buy a 3.5" external. No big problem. Annoying, sometimes, but not major. Costs for these are pretty low these days.
Apple can't be expected to cater to the few people who aren't really interested in upgrading anyway. They have a business to run, and that means selling new products, and making money. This means that people should expect to be buying a new machine six years after something has been rendered obsolete, which PPC is.
For those of us with newer machines, it still isn't impossible to do this. It's not worth the expressions of distress I'm seeing here. A hundred bucks or less will fix the problem.
For me the big issue is loss of Canvas. While I think I can find a Canvas replacement, I have 20 years of Canvas files that cannot be read with other software. A lot of work went into those files and, as with draw programs, many components can be reused.
A few solutions:
1. someone writes a rosetta replacement.
2. dual boot
3. (dread) buy the windows version of Canvas and run under windows (but I'm doubtful it will open all old files).
Best Solution: A canvas replacement that can read old canvas files.
Print to a PDF file and save as a JPEG?
Give this a try:
http://scimonocesoftware.com/seefinance/
It's 10x better than Quicken Essentials.
At first glance it looks an awful lot like Quicken Essentials - still, I might give it a try - don't really have a choice when the time comes to move to 10.7.
VueScan will work with a FireWire to SCSI converter cable, and usually, it depends on the scanner more than VueScan, a USB to SCSI converter cable.
Maybe that changed since I started using VueScan - either that or it was some other category of devices (maybe a particular brand) that was unsupported.
Why is Apple doing this? All three are useful. At least I can still get Java. But as long as I need the Epson scanner and jGRASP (for school), I can't upgrade to Lion.
Current versions of jGRASP should be able to run without Rosetta, but you'll need to get the "zip" version of jGRASP, edit the bin/jgrasp script by replacing the "Darwin" in "$OS" = Darwin (the second occurrence of "Darwin" in the script) with something else, then run bin/jgrasp. This will run it in its UNIX/Linux mode. This is untested, but it should work.
We'll get it fixed up for full compatibility in the near future.
Jeesh! This is simple. I've already responded to it.
Get another HDD, either external or internal, and put SL on that, and use it as a startup drive with all your old apps.
This isn't the end of the world guys! There are easy workarounds if you really can't let go of your babies.
Except often Apple ships hardware that you can't run older OSes on.
You mentioned several times that people like me aren't "customers" so why should Apple care. You've got it totally backwards. I am a customer. I upgrade my Apple hardware regularly. This decision actually prevents me from being a future customer, or at least makes it harder to be one. Sure, on my current hardware I could install SL on an external drive (although I think rebooting is a very lame workaround). But what happens a year from now when Apple ships new MBPs that won't boot SL?
There are other options. For some programs, it may be adequate to run them on an older mini someplace on your network and use screen sharing. That would probably work for me for Quicken. And maybe that will buy enough time for Intuit to get their act together.
Obviously, Apple can do whatever it wants. But it really hasn't been that long since key Mac software was finally made fully Intel native, including some of Apple's own. How long were PPC Macs able to run 68k code? How long was Classic available in OSX? Yes, PPC will eventually need to go, this transition just seems a bit more hasty than previous ones.
Maybe that changed since I started using VueScan - either that or it was some other category of devices (maybe a particular brand) that was unsupported.
I've got a UMAX Powerlook 3000 running from my Mac Pro using a Belkin FW to SCSI converter. I mostly use it with Silverfast, which is better, but I still upgrade VueScan out of sentimental reasons, and occasionally use that as well to see how it's doing these days. I haven't had a problem. But the Belkin has been discontinued for a while now. Possibly one can be found on eBay.
Except often Apple ships hardware that you can't run older OSes on.
You mentioned several times that people like me aren't "customers" so why should Apple care. You've got it totally backwards. I am a customer. I upgrade my Apple hardware regularly. This decision actually prevents me from being a future customer, or at least makes it harder to be one. Sure, on my current hardware I could install SL on an external drive (although I think rebooting is a very lame workaround). But what happens a year from now when Apple ships new MBPs that won't boot SL?
There are other options. For some programs, it may be adequate to run them on an older mini someplace on your network and use screen sharing. That would probably work for me for Quicken. And maybe that will buy enough time for Intuit to get their act together.
Obviously, Apple can do whatever it wants. But it really hasn't been that long since key Mac software was finally made fully Intel native, including some of Apple's own. How long were PPC Macs able to run 68k code? How long was Classic available in OSX? Yes, PPC will eventually need to go, this transition just seems a bit more hasty than previous ones.
You can often run older OS's on machines a generation or two later. That should last several years of upgrades, as most people keep their machines for at least two years. That should give you another two or three years here.
But most programs have equivalents that are pretty close. This is really just a matter of biting the bullet. You know that at some point you will have no choice anyway. You might as well do it sooner rather than later. Most of the time, when people think that they really must use that old software, it's just a matter of not wanting to let go of something that feels familiar. Sure, other software may not have all the features, but it will usually have others that are better in some way.
A friend of mine switched from PC to MAC a couple of years ago and runs Windows so he can continue to use Quicken from there. He's not terribly bothered by it. It's a better app anyway if we're being truthful.
Then I see people saying that some program they need so badly isn't in Intel form, like Canvas, when it is. It makes me wonder if they really need that app so badly that they can't be bothered to go to the developer's site to find out, and have to complain about it here instead.
Or an old outdated, and surpassed program like Bryce.
I find this whole thing to be wonky. Even if we like an old program, it's time to go and find another. Often, people who say there isn't another haven't looked hard enough.
Starcraft 1, Diablo 2 for example.
Other games as well. Unlike utility software like Office or Photoshop. Most companies release a game, then a few patches and then abandon it.
And then there are unsupported software that may be essential, Pagemaker users are still stuck in Classic (I know someone who works in updating legacy files in pagemaker. They can't migrate to a modern system since it uses Classic Fonts that never made it to OSX).
There isn't anything out there quite like Canvas. It's more of an engineering tool than an artist tool in a way which sets it apart from Photoshop or Pixelmator.
And the way UB works... its not hard to just allow the option to package the legacy frameworks for Rosetta.
Eventually Boxee won me over.
I won't be missing FrontRow.
C.
I will. I can just see Boxee pushing forward with the Mac given that the Boxee Box is a competitor. Apple needs something more than apps that run better elsewhere. Front Row obviously has issues, but it is integrated and could be improved or replaced with something better. The Apple TV is not for everyone. Saying to use Boxee or XBMC or VLC is like telling someone the Mac has nothing special to offer.
I suppose the remote would be the next thing to go? Mac Mini gone?
I don't like the trend here. In any case, if I wanted to run Boxee ( and I don't) I would buy a Boxee Box.
It wasn't too long ago that VLC was rumoured to be dropping the Mac.
philip
Why is anyone using Front Row with Boxee, Plex, XBMC all available on the mac?
Because it is well integrated. I will grant you that Plex is a great program. XBMC and Boxee are competitors, especially Boxee. Why should I rely on that? You can run XBMC and Boxee on very inexpensive hardware. I am not sure you have thought through the implications of Apple not being serious about media playback. Do you feel they should stop selling the Mini?
philip
I will. I can just see Boxee pushing forward with the Mac given that the Boxee Box is a competitor. Apple needs something more than apps that run better elsewhere. Front Row obviously has issues, but it is integrated and could be improved or replaced with something better. The Apple TV is not for everyone. Saying to use Boxee or XBMC or VLC is like telling someone the Mac has nothing special to offer.
Had Apple updated Front Row and kept it in-step with the AppleTV, I might feel differently.
The Mac needs a media player with a remote interface. Boxee is okay. FrontRow is hopeless. In fact it is an irritation.
Me - using a remote to control Boxee
Daughter - trying to work on her Macbook.
Result: cries of exasperation from daughter as random media events push to fore.
C.
Had Apple updated Front Row and kept it in-step with the AppleTV, I might feel differently.
The Mac needs a media player with a remote interface. Boxee is okay. FrontRow is hopeless. In fact it is an irritation.
Me - using a remote to control Boxee
Daughter - trying to work on her Macbook.
Result: cries of exasperation from daughter as random media events push to fore.
C.
I see your point. I just don't see Boxee and other competitors as a longrun solution. I agree that Apple should have a better media player. I am not a Boxee fan though I like XBMC and Plex. I must point out that I can use FrontRow to watch my EyeTV HD recordings that have been marked with comskip to remove ads. You can't do that with Plex/XBMC/Boxee.
I don't quite understand what it is that people dislike about frontrow. It has metadata, integrates with iTunes, integrates with EyeTV, plays back most every file, etc ( with Perian installed).
I can see making a case for Plex, but its client is not a high priority on the Mac. They have to take care of LG first.
philip
Microsoft Query as part of MS Office 2011 for Mac is listed as a Power PC App. That's messed up.
That's seriously messed up. I just installed MS Office 2011 a couple of weeks ago (out of necessity not preference).
I deleted all my PPC legacy apps in order to get ready for Lion (hadn't used any of them for years - was sorry to say goodbye to GraphicConverter as it had been my friend many years ago). The only ones I didn't were:-
- Microsoft Query
- Open XML for Charts
- Open XML for Excel
- Open XML for Word
- pptfc
They are all MS code supporting Office from either August or December 2010. Let's hope they tweak those before the summer comes around.As for Front Row - always looked nice and wowed people I demo'ed a Mac too, but I didn't use it. Maybe we'll see it in the App store for 99c?
And Java - seems like it's all nicely taken care of.
Of course, both the CS5 and Office 2008 core applications are 64 bit Intel (mostly?).
Bryce has no equivalent that I know of, with its range of capabilities and has a rich heritage. Something nice about the application actually, is the community that includes Mac and Windows users (up to Leopard and Win 7) talking on the one forum.
I used to use Bryce. But it fell behind years ago. Now, it's not very good. There are much better programs available, but they will cost you. Such is progress.
The plot thickens! I have Bryce 6 (next to latest version, 7 just released). I discovered that it is indeed universal. I was previously looking at Bryce 6 setup (on another computer) and this is PPC! So the good news is that Bryce lives on. Have another look at Bryce, I know how you feel but they have been doing a lot of work on it (still 32 bit) and you might find it interesting.
All the best.
Its very handy when chilling in a hotel room and wanting to catch up with podcasts, watch tv/movies, play music or catch up with iTunesU study - not about to lug AppleTV around for that...
Sure it's got odd behaviour cos its never been paid much attention too and updated properly (lack of proper integration with Aperture is a major bugbear) but surely that can't require that much in the way of resources - its such a small app - and sets Macs apart from other pcs - why lose it altogether
Please keep it Apple
Damned, I agree 100% with you. And Diablo 2 works just fine too, I happen to have done a Necromancer a few weeks ago... I hope we still get a way to run those apps...
No Rosetta? There are still a good number of great PowerPC games I still like to play. Starcraft chief among them. With Starcraft II in the wild, I don't know how much motivation Blizzard would have to make a UB for the original Starcraft.
I just checked the Info boxes for both Starcraft and Diablo II and neither of them have (PowerPC) next to Application, so I think we may be OK.
On the other hand, Quicken 2007 says (PowerPC). This is truly terrible as Intuit only publishes a hamstrung version now. Maybe we can threaten to kick Bill Campbell off the board unless Intuit brings its Mac versions to parity with Windows. Porting some of its other products like TurboTax for the Professionals would be great. Under the ugly but necessary category would be porting TurboTax Business to Macs because it has Trust tax returns which *consumers* must file when their parents' Living Trusts kick in.
Everquest Mac is also PowerPC. Maybe Asypr can port it anew, like they did Civ III.
I don't quite understand what it is that people dislike about frontrow. It has metadata, integrates with iTunes, integrates with EyeTV, plays back most every file, etc ( with Perian installed).
Perian struggles with MKVs especially if the file is being streamed across a network.
Boxee goes off to the internet to get its own metadata - which is considerably more pleasant than trying to tag movies by hand in iTunes.
There's some good apps for Boxee too.
C.
I will miss FrontRow. I hope they include an updated version in the final product or upgrade iTunes to include the functionality!
I've been a little sad about the prospect of losing FrontRow in Lion, because this is a feature I use quite regularly. It occurred to me that iTunes may finally incorporate this functionality as a Full Screen app, since FrontRow duplicated a subset of iTunes and seemed to be tricky to keep in sync.
I hope they do this, I'll miss it if they don't, but life will go on, and I can continue to use my AppleTV 2.