I'm not an Atheist. Anyway, I am saying this is what should be. I am realistic and know that most of our citizens are ignorant and our idiot politicians will only pander to them. It is unlikely it will change. However, I still have a right to bitch about it and I am right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually...I am curious to know your thoughts on this issue...do you think E Pluribus Unum would be a better motto for the United States?</strong><hr></blockquote>
BR I am not offended by what we have now. E Pluribus Unum is a great motto. In God We Trust is a better motto.
Just my 2 cents.
Does it really matter what is said or if none of the above was printed? No. Belief in a God is between that person and God. What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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BR I am not offended by what we have now. E Pluribus Unum is a great motto. In God We Trust is a better motto.
Just my 2 cents.
Does it really matter what is said or if none of the above was printed? No. Belief in a God is between that person and God. What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
Why is a motto that divides better than a motto that unites? You cannot deny that "In God We Trust" divides this nation into those that believe in god, those that don't, and those that don't care one way or another about any god.
Let that be your personal motto. I have no problem with it. However, I firmly believe it does not fit as a national one.
Why have a motto in the first place, are we a freaking corporation.
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth.
[quote] Does it really matter what is said or if none of the above was printed? No. Belief in a God is between that person and God. What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
Why have a motto in the first place, are we a freaking corporation.
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth. <hr></blockquote>
The two best things I've read in this thread.
How about "In Spock we trust," or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations?"
How about "In Spock we trust," or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations?"</strong><hr></blockquote>
What? Are you kidding me? A silly question that lacks the proper punctuation is one of the best things you've read in this thread? Newsflash...mottos are not reserved for corporations. Mottos are used to provide a basic direction for any organization by stating its principal goals and ideals. Last time I checked, a government is a type of organization.
Now, I do agree with grove's second statement about getting the bible thumpers to the polls.
What?! Then why are you making such a big deal about all this?
BTW, I agree that most Americans are just a bunch of morons that don't know any better than to reply to politicians' actions with a "well, okay. They know what's best."
But even the most critical of politicians and the government must realize that there are policies that are enacted that may upset 14% of the population...but they are in line with the thinking of the other 86%. What is the government supposed to do? Really? By changing the U.S. motto, you may appease 14% of the population, but upset 45% in the process. Where does that get you?
BR, I understand and HEAR what you have to say. I really think you're not looking at the big picture here. I'll admit that there are things the government does that thoroughly pisses me off, but it's for the good of most people in this country...so I just shut up and take it.
humorist calvin trillin once said that if he ever became a politician his motto would be - "indicted, but never convicted"
in god we trust doesn't offend me, it is silly, but it doesn't offend me.
when people say "god bless america"......well that kind of offends me. imean america should try to be a place god would want to bless, you know?
i mean did god put his rubber stamp of approval when we were rounding up americans and putting them in internment camps during world war 2? or was god on our side when we were a nation that professed that all men were created equal yet still allowed legal ownership of human beings? or when we were wiping out entire races of humanity on our continent?
all the stuff in the paragraph above offends me, oh and that miller commercial with the chicks in the mud, that offends me too. but other than that i'm cool....
What?! Then why are you making such a big deal about all this?[qb]<hr></blockquote>
Because I am an American that believes we should Unite and not divide.
[quote]But even the most critical of politicians and the government must realize that there are policies that are enacted that may upset 14% of the population...but they are in line with the thinking of the other 86%. What is the government supposed to do? Really? By changing the U.S. motto, you may appease 14% of the population, but upset 45% in the process. Where does that get you?<hr></blockquote>
The motto is supposed to be the one statement that represents the country AS A WHOLE. How can 45% of the people be pissed at "From Many, One"? Frankly, it doesn't matter. From Many, One is supposed to represent the ideals of this nation. It's what the founding fathers (who are often brought up to incorrectly justify the current motto) wanted. Whether or not 45% of the people believe in those ideals is another issue. This isn't about appeasing 14% of the population. This is about promoting true unity and acceptance.
What? Are you kidding me? A silly question that lacks the proper punctuation is one of the best things you've read in this thread? Newsflash...mottos are not reserved for corporations. Mottos are used to provide a basic direction for any organization by stating its principal goals and ideals. Last time I checked, a government is a type of organization.
Now, I do agree with grove's second statement about getting the bible thumpers to the polls.
I think you missed the point</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, you do. The motto is supposed to represent the country AS A WHOLE--not most of the country or some of the country. From Many, One represents us as a WHOLE. In God We Trust does not. It's just that simple. You are missing the point. You refuse to look at the big picture.
No, you do. The motto is supposed to represent the country AS A WHOLE--not most of the country or some of the country. From Many, One represents us as a WHOLE. In God We Trust does not. It's just that simple. You are missing the point. You refuse to look at the big picture.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now now, no need to be hostile, I just meant that I thought you missed the point of my post. I've trimmed down my "two best" points here
[quote] What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth. <hr></blockquote>
And I do see the big picture. I attempted to communicate this and ease the mood around here with my joking suggestion of the Star Trek motto "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations." I do tend to be too subtle sometimes, my apologies.
(edited for proof-reading [why do I always forget to do that?])
I just have to say again . . . not that I am a Christian. . . But why would Christians want their God plastered on the dirtiest medium, FILTHY LUCRE, that stuff that many psychologists say we associate with shiit on an unconsciouse level?!?!?!
isn't this pearls before swine?
or even tacking a pearl on swinish toilet paper like stuff that is literally filthy from passing through every snotty pair of hands, grubbing after every little 'possession', including drugs and porn or medecine and food and isn't it also figuratively filthy as it is filled every day with the most profane desires of each person wantint their little fix of goods and power . . . .
who would want their 'highest value' attached to this empty but profane signifier??!?!?
and a note:
you should take Ganesh with some reverence, he is the god of scholars and protector . . . he is a 'cool' manifestation
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<strong>and this was made for you.
Sweet.
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I'm not an Atheist. Anyway, I am saying this is what should be. I am realistic and know that most of our citizens are ignorant and our idiot politicians will only pander to them. It is unlikely it will change. However, I still have a right to bitch about it and I am right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No I am right and you are WRONG!
LOL just pulling your chains BR..
Fellowship
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No I am right and you are WRONG!
LOL just pulling your chains BR..
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually...I am curious to know your thoughts on this issue...do you think E Pluribus Unum would be a better motto for the United States?
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Actually...I am curious to know your thoughts on this issue...do you think E Pluribus Unum would be a better motto for the United States?</strong><hr></blockquote>
BR I am not offended by what we have now. E Pluribus Unum is a great motto. In God We Trust is a better motto.
Just my 2 cents.
Does it really matter what is said or if none of the above was printed? No. Belief in a God is between that person and God. What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
Fellowship
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</p>
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BR I am not offended by what we have now. E Pluribus Unum is a great motto. In God We Trust is a better motto.
Just my 2 cents.
Does it really matter what is said or if none of the above was printed? No. Belief in a God is between that person and God. What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
Fellowship
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why is a motto that divides better than a motto that unites? You cannot deny that "In God We Trust" divides this nation into those that believe in god, those that don't, and those that don't care one way or another about any god.
Let that be your personal motto. I have no problem with it. However, I firmly believe it does not fit as a national one.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth.
Why have a motto in the first place, are we a freaking corporation.
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth. <hr></blockquote>
The two best things I've read in this thread.
How about "In Spock we trust," or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations?"
(edited for copy and paste errors)
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Guartho ]</p>
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The two best things I've read in this thread.
How about "In Spock we trust," or "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations?"</strong><hr></blockquote>
What? Are you kidding me? A silly question that lacks the proper punctuation is one of the best things you've read in this thread? Newsflash...mottos are not reserved for corporations. Mottos are used to provide a basic direction for any organization by stating its principal goals and ideals. Last time I checked, a government is a type of organization.
Now, I do agree with grove's second statement about getting the bible thumpers to the polls.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
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I'm not an Atheist.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What?! Then why are you making such a big deal about all this?
BTW, I agree that most Americans are just a bunch of morons that don't know any better than to reply to politicians' actions with a "well, okay. They know what's best."
But even the most critical of politicians and the government must realize that there are policies that are enacted that may upset 14% of the population...but they are in line with the thinking of the other 86%. What is the government supposed to do? Really? By changing the U.S. motto, you may appease 14% of the population, but upset 45% in the process. Where does that get you?
BR, I understand and HEAR what you have to say. I really think you're not looking at the big picture here. I'll admit that there are things the government does that thoroughly pisses me off, but it's for the good of most people in this country...so I just shut up and take it.
in god we trust doesn't offend me, it is silly, but it doesn't offend me.
when people say "god bless america"......well that kind of offends me. imean america should try to be a place god would want to bless, you know?
i mean did god put his rubber stamp of approval when we were rounding up americans and putting them in internment camps during world war 2? or was god on our side when we were a nation that professed that all men were created equal yet still allowed legal ownership of human beings? or when we were wiping out entire races of humanity on our continent?
all the stuff in the paragraph above offends me, oh and that miller commercial with the chicks in the mud, that offends me too. but other than that i'm cool....
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What?! Then why are you making such a big deal about all this?[qb]<hr></blockquote>
Because I am an American that believes we should Unite and not divide.
[quote]But even the most critical of politicians and the government must realize that there are policies that are enacted that may upset 14% of the population...but they are in line with the thinking of the other 86%. What is the government supposed to do? Really? By changing the U.S. motto, you may appease 14% of the population, but upset 45% in the process. Where does that get you?<hr></blockquote>
The motto is supposed to be the one statement that represents the country AS A WHOLE. How can 45% of the people be pissed at "From Many, One"? Frankly, it doesn't matter. From Many, One is supposed to represent the ideals of this nation. It's what the founding fathers (who are often brought up to incorrectly justify the current motto) wanted. Whether or not 45% of the people believe in those ideals is another issue. This isn't about appeasing 14% of the population. This is about promoting true unity and acceptance.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
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What? Are you kidding me? A silly question that lacks the proper punctuation is one of the best things you've read in this thread? Newsflash...mottos are not reserved for corporations. Mottos are used to provide a basic direction for any organization by stating its principal goals and ideals. Last time I checked, a government is a type of organization.
Now, I do agree with grove's second statement about getting the bible thumpers to the polls.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you missed the point
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I think you missed the point</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, you do. The motto is supposed to represent the country AS A WHOLE--not most of the country or some of the country. From Many, One represents us as a WHOLE. In God We Trust does not. It's just that simple. You are missing the point. You refuse to look at the big picture.
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No, you do. The motto is supposed to represent the country AS A WHOLE--not most of the country or some of the country. From Many, One represents us as a WHOLE. In God We Trust does not. It's just that simple. You are missing the point. You refuse to look at the big picture.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now now, no need to be hostile, I just meant that I thought you missed the point of my post. I've trimmed down my "two best" points here
[quote] What is stated on money is meaningless in the big picture of things.
This is nothing more than politicians making my grandmother happy to get her Old Person vote and to get the Sunday Christian up and into the voting booth. <hr></blockquote>
And I do see the big picture. I attempted to communicate this and ease the mood around here with my joking suggestion of the Star Trek motto "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations." I do tend to be too subtle sometimes, my apologies.
(edited for proof-reading [why do I always forget to do that?])
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Guartho ]</p>
isn't this pearls before swine?
or even tacking a pearl on swinish toilet paper like stuff that is literally filthy from passing through every snotty pair of hands, grubbing after every little 'possession', including drugs and porn or medecine and food and isn't it also figuratively filthy as it is filled every day with the most profane desires of each person wantint their little fix of goods and power . . . .
who would want their 'highest value' attached to this empty but profane signifier??!?!?
and a note:
you should take Ganesh with some reverence, he is the god of scholars and protector . . . he is a 'cool' manifestation
ahh so all gods and deities must come before the almighty pfflam to be judged and anointed cool or not cool.
you mind your karma and i'll mind mine. i am awaiting the arrival of kalki.
'kalki?!?!?'
<strong>Hey.... don't be throwing that 'kalki' name around with such facility he is 'cool' and is . . .. um . . .ah
'kalki?!?!?'</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps he meant kali.
<strong>...why would Christians want their God plastered on [money]?!?!?! </strong><hr></blockquote>
Free advertising. Exactly why all government usage of it should be banned.