Seriously? You don't see a difference between enforcing a legal patent on something you invented or designed and being a patent troll? I feel sorry for you and whomever tried to educate you as a child, because they seemingly failed.
The "look and feel"? Please, that is so vague its a joke. lol the last defence of someone who cant have a valid argument...personal attacks.
Yeah, it's soooo the same. Some huge company bigger than Samsung licensed a functional patent from Apple and allowed Samsung to use said patent. Then big, bad Apple came swooping in to sue Samsung (a very small, fledgling manufacturer) for additional fees even though it was paid by the unnamed, huge corporation. The similarities are uncanny.
A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.
Actually I'm a born in England, English citizen with ancestors going back to the 1400's within a few miles of my Nan's house. I just know when to move on and I consider myself a global citizen (as perhaps we all should nowadays).
America has the exact same problem anyway, they are just a few years behind. The world won't be safe until we can put all that Empire crap behind us and the USA is not far off from the kind of decay and idiocy sweeping the UK at the moment IMO.
Nationalism is a disease of which the British and American Empires are just the most extreme and egregious examples.
One can be a 'global citizen' without trying to standardize on a global currency or single global legal system. One doesn't have to be nationalistic to prefer subsidiarity actually be applied. The problem with the EU is that all too often it enforces standardization as a tool of nationalist forces. The CAP is a classic case. Anyway this is kinda increasingly tangential, and Dick Applebaum will get upset if I don't strictly stay on topic so if you want to discuss this further private message me
A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.
A fish is a fish no matter how big or small. Are you a fish? Presumably no. How can we tell? Because you don't meet the definition.
The definition of a patent troll is not a firm that enforces its IP rights, because that would be practically every IT firm, it's specifically a non-practicing entity. Not even any old NPE, a patent troll is an NPE that acquires a portfolio of patents which it does not commercialize - and it sits on those patents until a large industry has built up that infringes upon them. Like a troll lurking under a bridge, waiting for a passerby. Hence the name.
Now you can say that you mean something else by the term than what everybody else means, but in that case you're a fish, and by fish I mean something else from what everybody else means. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what that would be.
I agree with the exception of I wouldn't even say they are up to the "small a" level. Ideology has pretty much left the stage at this point. It's more just plain thuggery, greed and opportunism now.
That's what I meant by small a anarchy. I was equating large "A" to a coherent political motivation. By small "a" I meant to include pretty crime, thuggery, gangs, etc.
I understand trademarking, but this is a patent issue....
I know Apple wants to halt all competition in the tablet market, but I worry about what effect this will have on their product. No viable competition usually means no good innovations. For example do you think Apple would be dramatically improving it's notification system ( copying Android who copied WebOS ) if there was no competition?
From the perspective 33 years of dealing with Apple, Observing how they operate, Using their products:
Apple thrives on competition -- as long as it doesn't appropriate their IP. Competition gives Apple the chance to "strut their stuff". Boom!
Apple is driven by what they want (with Steve having a major vote) in a product. That's why, time after time, they enter an existing market and offer a revolutionary product that redefines the category,
microcomputer :: Apple ][ Personal Computer
personal computer :: Mac
nothing :: LaserWriter and Desktop Publishing
all-in-one computer :: iMac
personal audio player :: iPod
[not-so] smart phone :: iPhone
tablet computer :: iPad
I suspect that we will add AppleTV and Personal Entertainment Device to that list before too long.
They've had their misses too -- Apple///, Lisa (kinda') AppleTalk and the Jointly announced iPad HiFi and leather iPad case.
Apple are now officially in the same league as Lodsys...pathetic.
Gee... I hope you never get burgled -- you wouldn't report it to the police -- thus encouraging the criminal to continue his lawlessness and antisocial behavior.
I believe that companies have the right, even duty, to protect their IP.
I certainly would not invest in a company who stood idly by while their valuable property was ripped off.
Actually I'm a born in England, English citizen with ancestors going back to the 1400's within a few miles of my Nan's house. I just know when to move on and I consider myself a global citizen (as perhaps we all should nowadays).
America has the exact same problem anyway, they are just a few years behind. The world won't be safe until we can put all that Empire crap behind us and the USA is not far off from the kind of decay and idiocy sweeping the UK at the moment IMO.
Nationalism is a disease of which the British and American Empires are just the most extreme and egregious examples.
What? No. When the US empire fades another will take its place. The probability that we will put the empire crap all behind us approaches zero. And if we do, some alien race will march right over us when they get around to finding us.
Hopefully we're more than a few years behind you. Living in a fallen empire typically sucks.
Oh, I read posts like this on a daily basis about all of Apples' products, on various sites. It's amusing, because Apple has the lowest return rates, on average. But, when we read, even though they are testimonial in nature, of Samsungs' top phones having return rates of 30-40%, and of about 100% Of their tablets in Staples, it becomes something to begin believing in light of Samsung's recent statement that they will no longer provide numbers of tablets and phones shipped. Shipped, not even sold!
And how do these numbers relate to marketshare? Well, they use shipped numbers for everyone except Apple, for whom we know the sold numbers. But are returns taken into account in this? I don't know. We heard that Samsung shipped 5 million of their top Galaxy phone, but if 30% were returned, that means that they couldn't possibly have SOLD more than 3.5 million, when returns are taken into account, assuming they sold every unit that was shipped. But I bet that 5 million will be the number used in the totals. Same thing for their tablets. Meaningless!
You didn't get it. He was referring to the guy buying a Galaxy thinking it was an iPad and returning it because it didn't work with the App Store.
Hey! Don't be dissing Appletalk! I created many a network back in the 80s and 90s using Appletalk!
Yeah... Me too. But I was also creating "real networks" using 1 MBS twisted pair Corvus Omninet -- even sold 7 of these to Apple Headquarters.
Also the likes of IBM, Fairchild Schlumberger, Stanford, U.S. Army Ft. Leavenworth, BullWinkle's, Marriott's Great America, EMI Thorne, Piper Jaffray, Lots of schools and colleges, Marin county.....
Yes, we wired the Frank LLoyd Wright Marin County building for a LAN.... really hard because it is built around a central atrium and we couldn't string wire through walls nor have it visible to the naked eye.
Now, shhh -- enough of this or we'll wake @melgross (who also has lots of experience) then we'll be into it.
"A friend of mine took his iPad back... it was a real piece of shit. He couldn't even download any apps from the app store."
Rubbish. There are many items available that look similar to each other. It will only be real stupid people that get confused, or sales people that misrepresent the items.
It is has been misrepesented, take it back and get your money back. If you are stupid, that is your problem.
Rubbish. There are many items available that look similar to each other. It will only be real stupid people that get confused, or sales people that misrepresent the items.
It is has been misrepesented, take it back and get your money back. If you are stupid, that is your problem.
Except the law says otherwise, now you are free to argue that the law should be changed, but there's no reason to expect Apple to act differently until such time as it is. Personally I'd rather android makers focused on making distinct designs of their own because surely in order for there to be a meaningful choice there also needs to be difference?
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Seriously? You don't see a difference between enforcing a legal patent on something you invented or designed and being a patent troll? I feel sorry for you and whomever tried to educate you as a child, because they seemingly failed.
The "look and feel"? Please, that is so vague its a joke. lol the last defence of someone who cant have a valid argument...personal attacks.
Yeah, it's soooo the same. Some huge company bigger than Samsung licensed a functional patent from Apple and allowed Samsung to use said patent. Then big, bad Apple came swooping in to sue Samsung (a very small, fledgling manufacturer) for additional fees even though it was paid by the unnamed, huge corporation. The similarities are uncanny.
A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.
The "look and feel"? Please, that is so vague its a joke. lol the last defence of someone who cant have a valid argument...personal attacks.
I guess you should read the actual complaint (in the US court at least) because that one is far from vague.
A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.
Except Apple isn't a patent troll. It actually makes products that utilizes the patents it defends.
Actually I'm a born in England, English citizen with ancestors going back to the 1400's within a few miles of my Nan's house. I just know when to move on and I consider myself a global citizen (as perhaps we all should nowadays).
America has the exact same problem anyway, they are just a few years behind. The world won't be safe until we can put all that Empire crap behind us and the USA is not far off from the kind of decay and idiocy sweeping the UK at the moment IMO.
Nationalism is a disease of which the British and American Empires are just the most extreme and egregious examples.
One can be a 'global citizen' without trying to standardize on a global currency or single global legal system. One doesn't have to be nationalistic to prefer subsidiarity actually be applied. The problem with the EU is that all too often it enforces standardization as a tool of nationalist forces. The CAP is a classic case. Anyway this is kinda increasingly tangential, and Dick Applebaum will get upset if I don't strictly stay on topic so if you want to discuss this further private message me
Except Apple isn't a patent troll. It actually makes products that utilizes the patents it defends.
Yeah Lodsys used the same argument...
A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.
A fish is a fish no matter how big or small. Are you a fish? Presumably no. How can we tell? Because you don't meet the definition.
The definition of a patent troll is not a firm that enforces its IP rights, because that would be practically every IT firm, it's specifically a non-practicing entity. Not even any old NPE, a patent troll is an NPE that acquires a portfolio of patents which it does not commercialize - and it sits on those patents until a large industry has built up that infringes upon them. Like a troll lurking under a bridge, waiting for a passerby. Hence the name.
Now you can say that you mean something else by the term than what everybody else means, but in that case you're a fish, and by fish I mean something else from what everybody else means. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what that would be.
Yeah Lodsys used the same argument...
Um no it didn't. Lodsys doesn't make products so how would it claim that? In fact, there is only one employee.
I agree with the exception of I wouldn't even say they are up to the "small a" level. Ideology has pretty much left the stage at this point. It's more just plain thuggery, greed and opportunism now.
That's what I meant by small a anarchy. I was equating large "A" to a coherent political motivation. By small "a" I meant to include pretty crime, thuggery, gangs, etc.
[/QUOTE]America next.
Been there, done that.
A single unnamed source says you worship Satan.
Yeah... and...
(btw... that's Mr. Satan to you...)
I understand trademarking, but this is a patent issue....
I know Apple wants to halt all competition in the tablet market, but I worry about what effect this will have on their product. No viable competition usually means no good innovations. For example do you think Apple would be dramatically improving it's notification system ( copying Android who copied WebOS ) if there was no competition?
From the perspective 33 years of dealing with Apple, Observing how they operate, Using their products:
Apple thrives on competition -- as long as it doesn't appropriate their IP. Competition gives Apple the chance to "strut their stuff". Boom!
Apple is driven by what they want (with Steve having a major vote) in a product. That's why, time after time, they enter an existing market and offer a revolutionary product that redefines the category,
microcomputer :: Apple ][ Personal Computer
personal computer :: Mac
nothing :: LaserWriter and Desktop Publishing
all-in-one computer :: iMac
personal audio player :: iPod
[not-so] smart phone :: iPhone
tablet computer :: iPad
I suspect that we will add AppleTV and Personal Entertainment Device to that list before too long.
They've had their misses too -- Apple///, Lisa (kinda') AppleTalk and the Jointly announced iPad HiFi and leather iPad case.
They've had their misses too -- Apple///, Lisa (kinda') AppleTalk and the Jointly announced iPad HiFi and leather iPad case.
Hey! Don't be dissing Appletalk! I created many a network back in the 80s and 90s using Appletalk!
Apple are now officially in the same league as Lodsys...pathetic.
Gee... I hope you never get burgled -- you wouldn't report it to the police -- thus encouraging the criminal to continue his lawlessness and antisocial behavior.
I believe that companies have the right, even duty, to protect their IP.
I certainly would not invest in a company who stood idly by while their valuable property was ripped off.
Actually I'm a born in England, English citizen with ancestors going back to the 1400's within a few miles of my Nan's house. I just know when to move on and I consider myself a global citizen (as perhaps we all should nowadays).
America has the exact same problem anyway, they are just a few years behind. The world won't be safe until we can put all that Empire crap behind us and the USA is not far off from the kind of decay and idiocy sweeping the UK at the moment IMO.
Nationalism is a disease of which the British and American Empires are just the most extreme and egregious examples.
What? No. When the US empire fades another will take its place. The probability that we will put the empire crap all behind us approaches zero. And if we do, some alien race will march right over us when they get around to finding us.
Hopefully we're more than a few years behind you. Living in a fallen empire typically sucks.
Oh, I read posts like this on a daily basis about all of Apples' products, on various sites. It's amusing, because Apple has the lowest return rates, on average. But, when we read, even though they are testimonial in nature, of Samsungs' top phones having return rates of 30-40%, and of about 100% Of their tablets in Staples, it becomes something to begin believing in light of Samsung's recent statement that they will no longer provide numbers of tablets and phones shipped. Shipped, not even sold!
And how do these numbers relate to marketshare? Well, they use shipped numbers for everyone except Apple, for whom we know the sold numbers. But are returns taken into account in this? I don't know. We heard that Samsung shipped 5 million of their top Galaxy phone, but if 30% were returned, that means that they couldn't possibly have SOLD more than 3.5 million, when returns are taken into account, assuming they sold every unit that was shipped. But I bet that 5 million will be the number used in the totals. Same thing for their tablets. Meaningless!
You didn't get it. He was referring to the guy buying a Galaxy thinking it was an iPad and returning it because it didn't work with the App Store.
Hey! Don't be dissing Appletalk! I created many a network back in the 80s and 90s using Appletalk!
Yeah... Me too. But I was also creating "real networks" using 1 MBS twisted pair Corvus Omninet -- even sold 7 of these to Apple Headquarters.
Also the likes of IBM, Fairchild Schlumberger, Stanford, U.S. Army Ft. Leavenworth, BullWinkle's, Marriott's Great America, EMI Thorne, Piper Jaffray, Lots of schools and colleges, Marin county.....
Yes, we wired the Frank LLoyd Wright Marin County building for a LAN.... really hard because it is built around a central atrium and we couldn't string wire through walls nor have it visible to the naked eye.
Now, shhh -- enough of this or we'll wake @melgross (who also has lots of experience) then we'll be into it.
Except that you'll start hearing this:
"A friend of mine took his iPad back... it was a real piece of shit. He couldn't even download any apps from the app store."
Rubbish. There are many items available that look similar to each other. It will only be real stupid people that get confused, or sales people that misrepresent the items.
It is has been misrepesented, take it back and get your money back. If you are stupid, that is your problem.
Rubbish. There are many items available that look similar to each other. It will only be real stupid people that get confused, or sales people that misrepresent the items.
It is has been misrepesented, take it back and get your money back. If you are stupid, that is your problem.
Except the law says otherwise, now you are free to argue that the law should be changed, but there's no reason to expect Apple to act differently until such time as it is. Personally I'd rather android makers focused on making distinct designs of their own because surely in order for there to be a meaningful choice there also needs to be difference?