German court bars Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 from sale in Europe in Apple suit

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  • Reply 121 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post


    A patent troll is a patent troll and doesnt matter how big or small you are. Apple has obviously now become a patent troll.



    You don't seem to know what a patent troll is either. Look that one up yourself.
  • Reply 122 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
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    Originally Posted by fredaroony View Post


    Yeah Lodsys used the same argument...



    Follow the case, because, actually, they didn't. It appears to be an entity specifically formed for the purpose of these lawsuits.
  • Reply 123 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
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    Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post


    Among rational people the burden of proof is on the plaintiff.



    A single unnamed source says you worship Satan.



    That's a really silly post. Can you reply more responsibly?
  • Reply 124 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
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    Originally Posted by macnyc View Post


    You didn't get it. He was referring to the guy buying a Galaxy thinking it was an iPad and returning it because it didn't work with the App Store.



    I got it, but my response is the same. I see this stuff all the time about Apple.
  • Reply 125 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Yeah... Me too. But I was also creating "real networks" using 1 MBS twisted pair Corvus Omninet -- even sold 7 of these to Apple Headquarters.



    Also the likes of IBM, Fairchild Schlumberger, Stanford, U.S. Army Ft. Leavenworth, BullWinkle's, Marriott's Great America, EMI Thorne, Piper Jaffray, Lots of schools and colleges, Marin county.....



    Yes, we wired the Frank LLoyd Wright Marin County building for a LAN.... really hard because it is built around a central atrium and we couldn't string wire through walls nor have it visible to the naked eye.











    Now, shhh -- enough of this or we'll wake @melgross (who also has lots of experience) then we'll be into it.



    Sure, but at one time, there were more computers connected by Apple talk than all other computers put together.



    It was great back on those days. A really simple network. It worked pretty well. Must faster than serial. Ethernet killed it.
  • Reply 126 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    By their own admission, Samsung went back to the drawing board when the iPad 2 was announced and demonstrated -- to make it lighter, thinner and more like the iPad 2. From what I have read, Sammy went as far as to copy Apple's iPad 2 packaging...



    Also, consider someone, say, Grandma who is not tech-knowledgable and is buying a gift for the grandkid.



    You'd be surprised.



    At IBM we'd get calls from people who had a Burroughs IBM Computer.



    Later in the computer stores we'd be asked of fix or sell software/accessories for someones' Atari or Commodore Apple Computer...



    Never got confused with a Kentucky Fried Computer (later NorthStar) though,



    I LIKED Northstar.
  • Reply 127 of 179
    eluardeluard Posts: 319member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    The Grand Canyon was just a gully when I was born.



    Or a long low hill.
  • Reply 128 of 179
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,600member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    Well sorry Mel but with all due respect this is a british matter and this is the british way, and so it's in entirely good taste.



    Some recent guardian cartoons:











    Oh and this from the Telegraph













    When stuff can be gently mocked in our quality national newspapers, I think flip comments on a technology forum should be classed as entirely reasonable.



    As I pointed out though, this isn't a British site, but an American one. You know the old expression; When in Rome, do as the Romans do.



    While I'll admit that some Americans are willing to engage it that humor, generally, we don't find it humorous, even if it happens here. There are a number of sites that would have just removed all posts relating to it. I'm just asking, respectfully, that we don't pursue it.
  • Reply 129 of 179
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Sure, but at one time, there were more computers connected by Apple talk than all other computers put together.



    It was great back on those days. A really simple network. It worked pretty well. Must faster than serial. Ethernet killed it.



    Damn, I knew we should spoken softer!



    Just think, all that hassle has been replaced by a < $100 router and a < $10 chip in each device.





    As to the "Trade Dress"....



    Judge to Samsung: If you copy the look and feel, packaging, etc. -- you may get sued...





    Is like the TV commercial that says: "Users of Cialis may experience delayed back pain...





    The answer: Yeah... Your point is?
  • Reply 130 of 179
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by Orlando View Post


    In which case how long before all non Apple tablets are banned in Europe as they all follow the same basic design?



    We've been through this again and again.







    It's entirely possible to produce a design that doesn't infringe. This one from Sony is definitely not infringing.
  • Reply 131 of 179
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I LIKED Northstar.



    I did too! We sold quite a few -- great Floppy drives , Walnut case, good price and some great Word Processors -- My fav WP app was MoonShadow. It was written by a local by the name of Jim Merritt.
  • Reply 132 of 179
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    We've been through this again and again.







    It's entirely possible to produce a design that doesn't infringe. This one from Sony is definitely not infringing.



    That still looks similar.
  • Reply 133 of 179
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by Orlando View Post


    That still looks similar.



    Not in the matters specified in the community design. You are looking at the wrong things, you are looking at the big screen that dominates the design, but that's functional - what matters here is everything else. The shape of the top corners is radically different, in fact one can argue that there are no top corners at all as the front surface is bent round to form part of the back smoothly. The back is radically asymmetric. It doesn't infringe, it doesn't even come close.
  • Reply 134 of 179
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    Not in the matters specified in the community design. You are looking at the wrong things, you are looking at the big screen that dominates the design, but that's functional - what matters here is everything else. The shape of the top corners is radically different, in fact one can argue that there are no top corners at all as the front surface is bent round to form part of the back smoothly. The back is radically asymmetric. It doesn't infringe, it doesn't even come close.



    Still looks similar.
  • Reply 135 of 179
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You don't seem to know what a patent troll is either. Look that one up yourself.



    I'm good thanks so maybe you should look it up yourself...
  • Reply 136 of 179
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Follow the case, because, actually, they didn't. It appears to be an entity specifically formed for the purpose of these lawsuits.



    Use enough commas? lol You have no idea what I have read about this case.
  • Reply 137 of 179
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    Okay... so what you are trying to tell us is that you don't have any hard evidence to prove otherwise.



    All he had to do was disprove the so called "facts" about the 30-40% return rate, of which he accomplished to be false and libel generated by Apple fanboys.
  • Reply 138 of 179
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    We've been through this again and again.







    It's entirely possible to produce a design that doesn't infringe. This one from Sony is definitely not infringing.



    BS. That is still similar.
  • Reply 139 of 179
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Something I'm surprised no one has mentioned: this is escalating the patent wars to a whole new level so could we to see one of Apple's competitors doing the same to Apple?



    Apple is fighting plenty of patent battles with other companies. For example, Motorola presumably could ask the German court to ban iPhone sales in Europe as part of their suit over 3G, GPRS, 802.11 wireless and antenna design patents.
  • Reply 140 of 179
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    BS. That is still similar.



    But that's not the standard of proof for infringement, I was wondering when you'd show up though, you managed to go 140 posts in a samsung thread without doing so. Is that a record?
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