So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Personal attacks earn the poster infractions. Trolling earns the poster infractions. You were trolling, you got an infraction. Deal with it, then either choose to grow up and elevate the level of your posts, or go somewhere else.
So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Before you tuck tail and quit, I am still seeking the links to the scientific proof you have that Android customers are so disatisfied with their purchases that they are returning them in droves. Then you can quit.
So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Dude, for cryin' out loud......I wan't personally attacking you. I was just asking you to be a little more balanced and less bigoted. What you say about others who don't use Apple products is just harsh and wrong to say.
Before you tuck tail and quit, I am still seeking the links to the scientific proof you have that Android customers are so disatisfied with their purchases that they are returning them in droves. Then you can quit.
He is making the conclusion that since Apple customers are so satisfied, therefore, Android customers are not....so....they must be returning them! [insult removed] this is not the way most Apple users think.
He is making the conclusion that since Apple customers are so satisfied, therefore, Android customers are not....so....they must be returning them! [insult removed] that is not the way most Apple users think.
Oooooooh, so that is how scientists do it /s He said scientific proof so I could only conclude that there was studies out there that he was privy too that demonstrated the scientific process and was hoping he would share.
iOS already has much lower market share than Android (when it comes to phones) but:
1.) Takes the majority of the smartphone market's profits and
2.) Provides the most income to developers (by far).
This means that the platform is secure and if it did fall to a 5% worldwide share, it would not be marginalized. As long as 1.) and 2.) are true, what does iOS's market share matter to Apple or iOS users?
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
Really the point of this thread is the misleading report to why these researchers are bundling these numbers with Android and iOS. It's wrong. It should be segregated, even if the facts show the true declining numbers of iOS activations.
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
The Mac was never as successful as iOS is now, I think it would be a mistake to try to use the history with the Macintosh to predict the future of iOS vs. Android.
In any case, I did explicitly say that profits for Apple and income for developers are the key numbers here; would you not agree that as long as these are the case, the market share number is insignificant?
Profit means Apple still has incentive to invest in the platform and income for developers means developers produce their apps for the platform. Surely these are the only two things that matter when it comes to determining whether a platform is marginalised or not?
The current state of the market proves that market share is not necessary to have good profits or provide income for developers.
Well, it's not scientific proof, but a walk through my local mall containing an Apple store had a Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T store at about normal 'Tuesday afternoon' levels, and a roped line set up for getting into the Apple store. The Apple store had a specific checkout area set up that had a fairly long line (15-20 people) waiting to check out.
I tried and tried, but my local store must not have the 'Easy Pay' option, as I had to replace my wife's headphones and was stuck in that line.
It was obvious to me who was shifting merchandise, even 2 days after Christmas.
As to your point, valid point. It seems very misleading. Like saying Apple and Microsoft have 99% of the desktop market or Apple and Samsung have 85% of the tablet market, very misleading. Maybe these news sites fear the back lash of Applebots or Fandroids?
Or maybe these news sites are just reporting the story that Flurry released ?
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
Let's go ahead and make your post rational and truthful....
High [marketshare] is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your [marketshare] will simply dwindle [if you can't support your market position with profits]. [Profits] will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its [Mac, iPod, iPhone and iPad]. [Each is] hugely successful in [their market categories, and lead each industry] worldwide. [They have proven this] much in 27 plus years and will [prove it] again. iOS is following the same path.[/QUOTE]
Personal attacks earn the poster infractions. Trolling earns the poster infractions. You were trolling, you got an infraction. Deal with it, then either choose to grow up and elevate the level of your posts, or go somewhere else.
If trolling earns a poster infractions then why the hell are a number of regular posters still here who have never posted a single positive comment about Apple on an Apple forum, or conceded to a single point in the many arguments presented to them? Did the moderators not see those few hundred posts?
And let's not mention them working together in packs against single posters.
It seems the singling out of Apple ][ was grossly unwarranted.
Is it time for the rest of us to go, and just leave this forum to the trolls?
Apple won of course, as they're making more profits than anybody else. Some ignorant Fandroid might come along and claim that every phone in the world that is not an iPhone and that is running Android sold more when you add all of those companies up together, but so what? That doesn't mean anything at all.
Who else won Christmas?
iOS developers, as they're actually getting paid for their apps and making money for their hard work. Many Android people don't even have a credit card to their name and they do not have any accounts set up to buy apps with. It doesn't really matter though, as the Android market is a pile of fragmented garbage filled with poor offerings, malware and third rate apps.
Apple customers also won of course, as those people who got new Apple devices are surely happy as shit, and they're currently downloading and enjoying new apps and feeling the joy of using their new devices, the best available, bar none.
Android customers have had a miserable Christmas, as there has no doubt been countless crying children who were dismayed when they saw some piece of shit Android device under the Christmas tree instead of an Apple device, which they had been hoping for.
Does being a conceited, narrow-minded prick come naturally or do you have to work at it?
Best Buy had a deal that you could get a free iPhone 4 free with a 2 year activation. Doesn't get any cheaper than that. I remember SJ saying that free phones are free because thats all they are worth.
Those were 32GB iPhone 4s. Those aren't not phones Apple sells. The only iPhone 4 Apple sells are 8GB models. I bet those were product BestBuy misplaced or some distributor sold to BestBuy at a low price because of some situation where they didn't sell them back in the Autumn which is why this deal was only come out in the day before Christmas.
Also, there is word that stores starting allowing the iPhone 4S to be BOGO because many didn't have this obsolesced model and they feared a bait and switch lawsuit, though I don't see how when they clearly advertised the iPhone 4 sans the 'S' at 32GB. If it's true then some people got great deals and BestBuy lost money per sale.
"We can confirm that this was intended to be only for the iPhone 4. Best Buy created chaos this morning by issuing this nation-wide offer, despite many/most stores being depleted of 32GB original iPhone 4 units. Some stores began honoring the deal for the 4S, as droves of customers began filling the Best Buy Mobile kiosks, fearing a bait-and-switch complaint.
Best Buy has begun to alert stores, and we are now seeing this curtailed to just the original iPhone 4 at a national level. In Best Buy?s defense, the retailer was caught off-guard with a large supply of original 32GB units that became obsolete when all original iPhone 4 units were discontinued, and an 8GB iPhone 4 replaced them alongside the iPhone 4S."
It's disheartening how folks react when reality is presented to them. Calling me a "moron" means nothing to me, as all it does is invalidate your post. I simply stated the future of iOS based on facts today. It's not difficult to grasp or come to that conclision. Wait till Q1 numbers are presented and what I have been stating will come to fruition.
Reality? Really? What reality? You've made a prediction. That is not reality. It's speculation. It means nothing. Furthermore I didn't call you a moron. You made that assumption yourself based off the fact that you do ONLY look at market share numbers as if nothing else makes or breaks a platform. Yes, Android is growing faster, that is inevitable... you'd really have to be a moron not to predict that was going to happen - you're not as smart as you think you are. Your entire argument is flawed because you think that low market share equates to a dying a platform, which is absurd. Apple's sales have doubled year over year - IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THEIR MARKET SHARE IS - THEY ARE STILL SELLING MORE DEVICES AND MAKING MORE MONEY. That's the bottom line and something you can't seem to grasp.
Here are the facts presented in the report...
1. 1.5 million mobile device activations for each day of December (this includes media players and tablets as well as smart phones)
2. Last week Andy Rubin said they were at a rate of 700,000 activations per day (this includes media players and tablets as well as smart phones)
3. That leaves 800,000 non-Android devices. I'm willing to bet a majority of those devices were iOS (iPhone, iPad and iPod touch), since we all know how well the rest of the industry is doing.
I'd also wager that a vast majority of those Christmas day numbers reported in the article were iOS devices, not Android. Apple sells millions of iPod touches and millions of iPads during the holiday season.
Here's my no-brainer prediction, Apple will sell more iOS devices this quarter than any other quarter in their history.
I know that apple is making the lions share of the profits now. But that is not going to be a permanent thing. I think apple is aware of this also. Apple is in bubble and it will POP. This is not a industry where the competition will lie down and let apple continue to make those profits. Consider this, if apple releases the iPad 3 in the next quarter and the iPad has some huge flaw, they will lose billions and not only will they lose money but the most valuable thing they have: Consumer Confidence. If people start to lose confidence in apple then it will be completely downhill as the competition will swarm like locust to eat the left overs. Apple due to their single product strategy, based mainly on Consumer Confidence, if they lose that confidence the pedestal will crumble.
And Samsung is just waiting for that to happen.
Just my honest opinion. Do I think it will happen? Not any time soon. Do I think apples profits will be like this forever? No.
You may be at a loss for words, but you can't really argue with facts and logic.
Android customers lack the ability and the will to pay for stuff. They are cheapskates and they have a freeloading OWS type of mentality which ultimately affects the entire Android platform.
I am a big Apple fan and just want to say that Apple ]['s opinions and comments are Apple ]['s own and DO NOT represent the viewpoint of a vast majority of Apple users of any product. If Apple ][ appears to be a pompous ass that is because [insult removed]. Fortunately Apple ]['s opinion is a personal opinion as Apple has not appointed Apple ][ as a spokesperson.
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So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Personal attacks earn the poster infractions. Trolling earns the poster infractions. You were trolling, you got an infraction. Deal with it, then either choose to grow up and elevate the level of your posts, or go somewhere else.
So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Before you tuck tail and quit, I am still seeking the links to the scientific proof you have that Android customers are so disatisfied with their purchases that they are returning them in droves. Then you can quit.
So you give me an infraction for trolling, when it is other people who make personal attacks against me, while I don't even respond in kind with any personal attacks?
And I post links containing facts in many of my posts to back up my points.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Dude, for cryin' out loud......I wan't personally attacking you. I was just asking you to be a little more balanced and less bigoted. What you say about others who don't use Apple products is just harsh and wrong to say.
Before you tuck tail and quit, I am still seeking the links to the scientific proof you have that Android customers are so disatisfied with their purchases that they are returning them in droves. Then you can quit.
He is making the conclusion that since Apple customers are so satisfied, therefore, Android customers are not....so....they must be returning them! [insult removed] this is not the way most Apple users think.
He is making the conclusion that since Apple customers are so satisfied, therefore, Android customers are not....so....they must be returning them! [insult removed] that is not the way most Apple users think.
Oooooooh, so that is how scientists do it /s
iOS already has much lower market share than Android (when it comes to phones) but:
1.) Takes the majority of the smartphone market's profits and
2.) Provides the most income to developers (by far).
This means that the platform is secure and if it did fall to a 5% worldwide share, it would not be marginalized. As long as 1.) and 2.) are true, what does iOS's market share matter to Apple or iOS users?
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
Really the point of this thread is the misleading report to why these researchers are bundling these numbers with Android and iOS. It's wrong. It should be segregated, even if the facts show the true declining numbers of iOS activations.
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
Please stay right here. You are a big reason why I participate on AI.
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
The Mac was never as successful as iOS is now, I think it would be a mistake to try to use the history with the Macintosh to predict the future of iOS vs. Android.
In any case, I did explicitly say that profits for Apple and income for developers are the key numbers here; would you not agree that as long as these are the case, the market share number is insignificant?
Profit means Apple still has incentive to invest in the platform and income for developers means developers produce their apps for the platform. Surely these are the only two things that matter when it comes to determining whether a platform is marginalised or not?
The current state of the market proves that market share is not necessary to have good profits or provide income for developers.
I tried and tried, but my local store must not have the 'Easy Pay' option, as I had to replace my wife's headphones and was stuck in that line.
It was obvious to me who was shifting merchandise, even 2 days after Christmas.
As to your point, valid point. It seems very misleading. Like saying Apple and Microsoft have 99% of the desktop market or Apple and Samsung have 85% of the tablet market, very misleading. Maybe these news sites fear the back lash of Applebots or Fandroids?
Or maybe these news sites are just reporting the story that Flurry released ?
High profits is like a flash in the pan metaphor. It will give you an early advantage, but for the long haul, your profits will simply dwindle. Market share will win out. Apple own history has proven this fact with its Macintosh OS and hardware ( niche market, high profits, higher software cost ). It was hugely successful in the short term, yet today it's still below 5% worldwide. It really hasn't gained much in 27 plus years and will stagnate again. iOS is following the same path.
Let's go ahead and make your post rational and truthful....
Well, I will clearly have to find another Apple forum where I can freely speak my mind. It was fun while it lasted. Cyu all.
You won't be missed by me.
Personal attacks earn the poster infractions. Trolling earns the poster infractions. You were trolling, you got an infraction. Deal with it, then either choose to grow up and elevate the level of your posts, or go somewhere else.
If trolling earns a poster infractions then why the hell are a number of regular posters still here who have never posted a single positive comment about Apple on an Apple forum, or conceded to a single point in the many arguments presented to them? Did the moderators not see those few hundred posts?
And let's not mention them working together in packs against single posters.
It seems the singling out of Apple ][ was grossly unwarranted.
Is it time for the rest of us to go, and just leave this forum to the trolls?
Apple won of course, as they're making more profits than anybody else. Some ignorant Fandroid might come along and claim that every phone in the world that is not an iPhone and that is running Android sold more when you add all of those companies up together, but so what? That doesn't mean anything at all.
Who else won Christmas?
iOS developers, as they're actually getting paid for their apps and making money for their hard work. Many Android people don't even have a credit card to their name and they do not have any accounts set up to buy apps with. It doesn't really matter though, as the Android market is a pile of fragmented garbage filled with poor offerings, malware and third rate apps.
Apple customers also won of course, as those people who got new Apple devices are surely happy as shit, and they're currently downloading and enjoying new apps and feeling the joy of using their new devices, the best available, bar none.
Android customers have had a miserable Christmas, as there has no doubt been countless crying children who were dismayed when they saw some piece of shit Android device under the Christmas tree instead of an Apple device, which they had been hoping for.
Does being a conceited, narrow-minded prick come naturally or do you have to work at it?
Define real?
Makes phone calls - Check
Internet connectivity - Check
Email - Check
SMS - Check
Seems many phones fall into what I would consider real, what do you consider real?
real: connect with your soul with a inner voice call out and you can hear the echo.
Best Buy had a deal that you could get a free iPhone 4 free with a 2 year activation. Doesn't get any cheaper than that. I remember SJ saying that free phones are free because thats all they are worth.
Those were 32GB iPhone 4s. Those aren't not phones Apple sells. The only iPhone 4 Apple sells are 8GB models. I bet those were product BestBuy misplaced or some distributor sold to BestBuy at a low price because of some situation where they didn't sell them back in the Autumn which is why this deal was only come out in the day before Christmas.
Also, there is word that stores starting allowing the iPhone 4S to be BOGO because many didn't have this obsolesced model and they feared a bait and switch lawsuit, though I don't see how when they clearly advertised the iPhone 4 sans the 'S' at 32GB. If it's true then some people got great deals and BestBuy lost money per sale.
It's disheartening how folks react when reality is presented to them. Calling me a "moron" means nothing to me, as all it does is invalidate your post. I simply stated the future of iOS based on facts today. It's not difficult to grasp or come to that conclision. Wait till Q1 numbers are presented and what I have been stating will come to fruition.
Reality? Really? What reality? You've made a prediction. That is not reality. It's speculation. It means nothing. Furthermore I didn't call you a moron. You made that assumption yourself based off the fact that you do ONLY look at market share numbers as if nothing else makes or breaks a platform. Yes, Android is growing faster, that is inevitable... you'd really have to be a moron not to predict that was going to happen - you're not as smart as you think you are. Your entire argument is flawed because you think that low market share equates to a dying a platform, which is absurd. Apple's sales have doubled year over year - IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THEIR MARKET SHARE IS - THEY ARE STILL SELLING MORE DEVICES AND MAKING MORE MONEY. That's the bottom line and something you can't seem to grasp.
Here are the facts presented in the report...
1. 1.5 million mobile device activations for each day of December (this includes media players and tablets as well as smart phones)
2. Last week Andy Rubin said they were at a rate of 700,000 activations per day (this includes media players and tablets as well as smart phones)
3. That leaves 800,000 non-Android devices. I'm willing to bet a majority of those devices were iOS (iPhone, iPad and iPod touch), since we all know how well the rest of the industry is doing.
I'd also wager that a vast majority of those Christmas day numbers reported in the article were iOS devices, not Android. Apple sells millions of iPod touches and millions of iPads during the holiday season.
Here's my no-brainer prediction, Apple will sell more iOS devices this quarter than any other quarter in their history.
And Samsung is just waiting for that to happen.
Just my honest opinion. Do I think it will happen? Not any time soon. Do I think apples profits will be like this forever? No.
You may be at a loss for words, but you can't really argue with facts and logic.
Android customers lack the ability and the will to pay for stuff. They are cheapskates and they have a freeloading OWS type of mentality which ultimately affects the entire Android platform.
I am a big Apple fan and just want to say that Apple ]['s opinions and comments are Apple ]['s own and DO NOT represent the viewpoint of a vast majority of Apple users of any product. If Apple ][ appears to be a pompous ass that is because [insult removed]. Fortunately Apple ]['s opinion is a personal opinion as Apple has not appointed Apple ][ as a spokesperson.