When the trolls meet the Poes, comin' thro' the rye…
Don't be a jerk. You know that I enjoy every Mac product except those that are based on iOS. Yes I'm not a fan of iOS, I find it lacking in features and designed more for your everyday user then someone like me. I like to have control over every aspect of the device. I'm a programmer and a IT specialist with over 25 years of use under my belt. However I like using Apple computers, I buy a new Macbook every time they release an update. Why because I'm a Unix girl, next to Solaris OSX is the best Unix OS there is. That being said I have absolutely no emotional attachment to any of my machines.
Unlike a lot of you who worship the ground that Apple headquarters is built upon. The second OSX starts becoming as locked as IOS and it will mark my words, I will, drop Apple like a bad habit. I am not trolling these forums, I am in a hospital bed and I am dieing. I have breast cancer and I have had pretty much everything that they can remove, removed. I will probably not leave here and and as much as it sounds strange I like debating with some of you. I like reading and posting here.
Yes I do sound off a lot of the time but that's because I am on a morphine drip. I still have most of my facilities however. I'm not asking for pity of any kind but I am asking for a little respect. I am a mother of two, VP of internal programing for UBS Zurich, Married for 12 years and have been using Macs since I was 10. I belong here as much as you do and who cares if I find iOS a little on lacking side. The money I've spent on Apple I think I deserve the right to criticize iOS a little.
Isn'ty that the rallying cry of the freetards? Android is so much better than iPhone because you have the freedom to install apps from sources not controlled by Apple.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
It's not only that it's open it's that it also has many features that are found in a normal OS. Also the freedom to add to the system that was outside the normal scope of things. For instance a Filemanager, or adding more codecs to the base media player. Sure a lot of you say but we don't need those things, fine but if you do it's nice to be able to do it when you do need it. iOS is a very neat and tidy system, with a very strict way of doing things. There is hardly any wiggle room for those who want to tweak or customize, in fact for a lot of us it's a prison. Not saying iOS is a bad thing, for the main stream consumer and business person it's great, they don't need more. For the power user, well it's a little on the constraining side. Please reframe from calling a group of people who choose to use a different OS then you a retard. That's ignorant and distasteful.
Now why does it need a Siri like copy, according to all the Android lovers here, when iPhone 4s came out Androids already had a voice recognition system ...
Actually it did, about two years before. If it was any good, well that's a different story. Siri is truly amazing but I'm not a fan of talking to my devices. My Dad uses it though and swears by it.
I learned some intriguing information from the Android proponents in this thread:
Google locks Android users into their proprietary digital multimedia content service, Google Play. While content may be available from alternative sources this is ill-advised as alternative markets are infested with malware.
Google Play Store isn't infected with malware according to Google pundits. Unfortunately, Google has their army of users believing this although this is demonstrably false. Google Bouncer simply doesn't function as well as advertised although no one should be surprised.
Google Android Widgets are effectively useless since live updates use the battery like the Navy uses "women of ill repute" while docked during Fleet Week. Seriously, is there any advantage to a widget that doesn't update dynamically at least every few minutes?
I have never had or will have Malware. It's like anything if you go searching for trouble, trouble will find you. Widgets are very useful, I don't really use the content variety but the ones that control say podcasts or internet radio, quick launchers, custom scripts to launch a VPN, there are tons of great things you can do.
It's not only that it's open it's that it also has many features that are found in a normal OS.
Like that desktop OS cursor that appears. A perfectly reasonable thing for a touchbased OS¡
It's absolutely insane (I mean that literally) that one would think that features of a desktop OS make perfect sense without regard for the I/O. There is a reason Windows never worked on tablets for the 2 decades they existed before the iPad came to market.
PS: You've been using Internet forums long enough to understand how to use the multiquote button.
No, not in the slightest. What do you plan to do when the software locks up? Sit there and wait for your battery to die?
Oh that's right iOS takes over the entire screen. Android always displays the virtual buttons and it runs outside the scope of the application. You can hide them but their always present. The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.
QFT
I have a feeling Relic's original complain against the iPhone was that a software keyboard wasn't as good as a hardware keyboard.
Actually I hated all phones that didn't have a real keyboard until I got an iPhone. Before Apple, I always used a Nokia Communicator then RIM Blackberry's. I only recently moved on to Android when my company got me a Note.
Oh that's right iOS takes over the entire screen. Android always displays the virtual buttons and it runs outside the scope of the application. You can hide them but their always present. The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.
And THERE it is, ladies and gentlemen, the cheap shot at iOS that she ALWAYS takes in EVERY conversation. It's as though she's programmed to never be civil.
And for the record, not "taking over the entire screen" is idiotic. Because not all versions of Android do that, so devs not only have to build for different resolutions and screen ratios, they have to build for magical software buttons that aren't always there.
Your question was how, I tell you that I have thumb access to every part of that 4.65 big screen with my rather tiny 19 cm/7.5 inches long hands, webcam shot demonstrating that attached to close the topic.
Notice how much your hand position had to shift to use different parts of the phone. I can use my iPhone without having to shift it at all.
Besides, what you fail to realize is that it's not a 'one size fits all' situation. Everyone has their own needs and wants and will choose the phone that works better for them. And the facts are that the percentage of phones purchased with a 4.5" and up screen is relatively small.
And THERE it is, ladies and gentlemen, the cheap shot at iOS that she ALWAYS takes in EVERY conversation. It's as though she's programmed to never be civil.
And for the record, not "taking over the entire screen" is idiotic. Because not all versions of Android do that, so devs not only have to build for different resolutions and screen ratios, they have to build for magical software buttons that aren't always there.
Actually I didn't mean anything by it, iOS apps do take over the entire space because there is a hardware button. I was truly being civil. And the Android on screen buttons are always, always visible unless you the user change it to hide. Oh and I think you are the one blowing this way out of proportion. I have written many programs for Android, it's been long time since you had to dictate any specific resolution, since 2.3, most/all programmers now write there programs to have scalable resolutions. How do you think the Samsung SII (800x600), SIII(1280x720) and Note(1280x800) which have completely different resolutions can display every single software in the Google Market without any problems or pixelation. There are no magic buttons that need to be programmed in to each app, that is just silly, the desktop button, go back one button and menu button, let it be hardware or on screen based can always, always, always be reached from any app, their is global UI class that runs them.
And the Android on screen buttons are always, always visible unless you the user change it to hide.
Okay, from what version on, then? I admit I haven't kept up on playing with the newest versions recently, but that wasn't the case in 3.0, at least. Or whatever Gingerbread was supposed to be.
Originally Posted by jragostaBesides, what you fail to realize is that it's not a 'one size fits all' situation. Everyone has their own needs and wants and will choose the phone that works better for them. And the facts are that the percentage of phones purchased with a 4.5" and up screen is relatively small.
One recent study from Strategy Analytics says 90% of current smartphone owners want a larger screened device than they currently have (as long as they're still thin), with the sweet spot being 4-4.5".
The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.
You are acting like no one here has any android experiance. The entire OS freezing and needing to have the battery pulled out is the status quo for android. No point in stating otherwise because I know this to be true all too well.
You are acting like no one here has any android experience. The entire OS freezing and needing to have the battery pulled out is the status quo for android. No point in stating otherwise because I know this to be true all too well.
Then you haven't been buying the right phones, I have never had to remove a battery to restart my phone, ever! A stable system is very easy to obtain in Android, only use apps that are well programmed, easy to find when you read reviews. Never visit shady sites to obtain free software and don't install tweak software.
Like Windows when you buy a cheap device to run the system it will not run properly as many manufactures cut corners and don't care about optimizing the OS. I guarantee if you bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 which is now very reasonable to purchase you will have a very stable system.
I run a custom ROM based off of CM9 with a kernel that I optimized and even running this system that is very far from stock I have a very stable system, it's even been overclocked from 1.4GHZ to 1.7GHZ. Which phone did you own, was it made in the last two years.
The iPhone is a no brainer purchase because you know what your getting. Android phones unfortunately are mostly crap, about 3/4 of them. However, if you do your research, visit the corporate help sites, you will find a phone that rivals the iPhone and may even surpass it. This is kind of geeky but I have been testing Ubuntu's new mobile OS, it turns your phone into a desktop system. It works, it's very quick, I can run my development software on it and even a full version of OpenOffice. I just insert my Note into it's cradle that's connected to a 22" monitor via HDMI and keyboard and mouse via bluetooth. This is why I like owning Android phones, their opened, I can make them into the system that I want. Not to mention that they are a blast to own, to customize, to push them to do things that are not possible on other systems.
iOS is a beautiful, stable, boring, closed OS. You must follow the Apple way or the highway. So far from what OSX gave me, I have a powerful Unix terminal with all of my nix stuff and I am still able to run all of the normal desktop applications. I don't hate iOS I just cant do half of the things I can do with the Android system, things I want to do and yes they are very far from the normal scope of usage.
EDIT: Seems AI isn't allowing links to 9to5Mac? Tried a couple of times, but get asterisks replacing 9to5mac. ???
This is the first I've seen or heard of it. I asked in the moderator forum, hopefully I'll hear back on it. I requested they don't do that. It's a competing site, but I think it's unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I assume a URL shortener would resolve that. I doubt their filter will look at long URL destination before submitting your post.
For the time being, it should get around the problem. The problem is I tend to refrain from clicking shortened URLs, I imagine other people are leery of it too.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
When the trolls meet the Poes, comin' thro' the rye…
Don't be a jerk. You know that I enjoy every Mac product except those that are based on iOS. Yes I'm not a fan of iOS, I find it lacking in features and designed more for your everyday user then someone like me. I like to have control over every aspect of the device. I'm a programmer and a IT specialist with over 25 years of use under my belt. However I like using Apple computers, I buy a new Macbook every time they release an update. Why because I'm a Unix girl, next to Solaris OSX is the best Unix OS there is. That being said I have absolutely no emotional attachment to any of my machines.
Unlike a lot of you who worship the ground that Apple headquarters is built upon. The second OSX starts becoming as locked as IOS and it will mark my words, I will, drop Apple like a bad habit. I am not trolling these forums, I am in a hospital bed and I am dieing. I have breast cancer and I have had pretty much everything that they can remove, removed. I will probably not leave here and and as much as it sounds strange I like debating with some of you. I like reading and posting here.
Yes I do sound off a lot of the time but that's because I am on a morphine drip. I still have most of my facilities however. I'm not asking for pity of any kind but I am asking for a little respect. I am a mother of two, VP of internal programing for UBS Zurich, Married for 12 years and have been using Macs since I was 10. I belong here as much as you do and who cares if I find iOS a little on lacking side. The money I've spent on Apple I think I deserve the right to criticize iOS a little.
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Originally Posted by Anim8r
But Android is OOOOOOPEN!
Isn'ty that the rallying cry of the freetards? Android is so much better than iPhone because you have the freedom to install apps from sources not controlled by Apple.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
It's not only that it's open it's that it also has many features that are found in a normal OS. Also the freedom to add to the system that was outside the normal scope of things. For instance a Filemanager, or adding more codecs to the base media player. Sure a lot of you say but we don't need those things, fine but if you do it's nice to be able to do it when you do need it. iOS is a very neat and tidy system, with a very strict way of doing things. There is hardly any wiggle room for those who want to tweak or customize, in fact for a lot of us it's a prison. Not saying iOS is a bad thing, for the main stream consumer and business person it's great, they don't need more. For the power user, well it's a little on the constraining side. Please reframe from calling a group of people who choose to use a different OS then you a retard. That's ignorant and distasteful.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
Now why does it need a Siri like copy, according to all the Android lovers here, when iPhone 4s came out Androids already had a voice recognition system ...
Actually it did, about two years before. If it was any good, well that's a different story. Siri is truly amazing but I'm not a fan of talking to my devices. My Dad uses it though and swears by it.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
I learned some intriguing information from the Android proponents in this thread:
Google locks Android users into their proprietary digital multimedia content service, Google Play. While content may be available from alternative sources this is ill-advised as alternative markets are infested with malware.
Google Play Store isn't infected with malware according to Google pundits. Unfortunately, Google has their army of users believing this although this is demonstrably false. Google Bouncer simply doesn't function as well as advertised although no one should be surprised.
http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/android-malware-promises-video-while-stealing-contacts
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/googles-official-app-market-found-hosting-malicious-android-appsagain.ars
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/googles-chome-web-store-used-to-spread-malware.ars
Google Code projects host Android malware as well. In some instances Google Code is being used to distribute malware!
http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/google-code-projects-host-android-malware
Google Android Widgets are effectively useless since live updates use the battery like the Navy uses "women of ill repute" while docked during Fleet Week. Seriously, is there any advantage to a widget that doesn't update dynamically at least every few minutes?
I have never had or will have Malware. It's like anything if you go searching for trouble, trouble will find you. Widgets are very useful, I don't really use the content variety but the ones that control say podcasts or internet radio, quick launchers, custom scripts to launch a VPN, there are tons of great things you can do.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
That certainly explains why a nearly three year old 3.5" phone outsells every other larger-screened model on the market.
We always need a hardware 'out'.
No you don't an on screen home button is just as good.
Like that desktop OS cursor that appears. A perfectly reasonable thing for a touchbased OS¡
It's absolutely insane (I mean that literally) that one would think that features of a desktop OS make perfect sense without regard for the I/O. There is a reason Windows never worked on tablets for the 2 decades they existed before the iPad came to market.
PS: You've been using Internet forums long enough to understand how to use the multiquote button.
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Originally Posted by Relic
No you don't an on screen home button is just as good.
No, not in the slightest. What do you plan to do when the software locks up? Sit there and wait for your battery to die?
I have a feeling Relic's original complain against the iPhone was that a software keyboard wasn't as good as a hardware keyboard.
Oh that's right iOS takes over the entire screen. Android always displays the virtual buttons and it runs outside the scope of the application. You can hide them but their always present. The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.
Actually I hated all phones that didn't have a real keyboard until I got an iPhone. Before Apple, I always used a Nokia Communicator then RIM Blackberry's. I only recently moved on to Android when my company got me a Note.
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Originally Posted by Relic
Oh that's right iOS takes over the entire screen. Android always displays the virtual buttons and it runs outside the scope of the application. You can hide them but their always present. The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.
And THERE it is, ladies and gentlemen, the cheap shot at iOS that she ALWAYS takes in EVERY conversation. It's as though she's programmed to never be civil.
And for the record, not "taking over the entire screen" is idiotic. Because not all versions of Android do that, so devs not only have to build for different resolutions and screen ratios, they have to build for magical software buttons that aren't always there.
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Originally Posted by Sensi
Your question was how, I tell you that I have thumb access to every part of that 4.65 big screen with my rather tiny 19 cm/7.5 inches long hands, webcam shot demonstrating that attached to close the topic.
Notice how much your hand position had to shift to use different parts of the phone. I can use my iPhone without having to shift it at all.
Besides, what you fail to realize is that it's not a 'one size fits all' situation. Everyone has their own needs and wants and will choose the phone that works better for them. And the facts are that the percentage of phones purchased with a 4.5" and up screen is relatively small.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
And THERE it is, ladies and gentlemen, the cheap shot at iOS that she ALWAYS takes in EVERY conversation. It's as though she's programmed to never be civil.
And for the record, not "taking over the entire screen" is idiotic. Because not all versions of Android do that, so devs not only have to build for different resolutions and screen ratios, they have to build for magical software buttons that aren't always there.
Actually I didn't mean anything by it, iOS apps do take over the entire space because there is a hardware button. I was truly being civil. And the Android on screen buttons are always, always visible unless you the user change it to hide. Oh and I think you are the one blowing this way out of proportion. I have written many programs for Android, it's been long time since you had to dictate any specific resolution, since 2.3, most/all programmers now write there programs to have scalable resolutions. How do you think the Samsung SII (800x600), SIII(1280x720) and Note(1280x800) which have completely different resolutions can display every single software in the Google Market without any problems or pixelation. There are no magic buttons that need to be programmed in to each app, that is just silly, the desktop button, go back one button and menu button, let it be hardware or on screen based can always, always, always be reached from any app, their is global UI class that runs them.
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Originally Posted by Relic
And the Android on screen buttons are always, always visible unless you the user change it to hide.
Okay, from what version on, then? I admit I haven't kept up on playing with the newest versions recently, but that wasn't the case in 3.0, at least. Or whatever Gingerbread was supposed to be.
Gingerbread was 2.3x
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Originally Posted by jragosta
One recent study from Strategy Analytics says 90% of current smartphone owners want a larger screened device than they currently have (as long as they're still thin), with the sweet spot being 4-4.5".
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategy-analytics-smartphone-owners-demand-larger-displays-2012-03-14
http://************/2012/03/14/study-smartphone-owners-demand-bigger-screens-prefer-4-inches/
EDIT: Seems AI isn't allowing links to 9to5Mac? Tried a couple of times, but get asterisks replacing 9to5mac. ???
You are acting like no one here has any android experiance. The entire OS freezing and needing to have the battery pulled out is the status quo for android. No point in stating otherwise because I know this to be true all too well.
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Originally Posted by Technarchy
You are acting like no one here has any android experience. The entire OS freezing and needing to have the battery pulled out is the status quo for android. No point in stating otherwise because I know this to be true all too well.
Then you haven't been buying the right phones, I have never had to remove a battery to restart my phone, ever! A stable system is very easy to obtain in Android, only use apps that are well programmed, easy to find when you read reviews. Never visit shady sites to obtain free software and don't install tweak software.
Like Windows when you buy a cheap device to run the system it will not run properly as many manufactures cut corners and don't care about optimizing the OS. I guarantee if you bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 which is now very reasonable to purchase you will have a very stable system.
I run a custom ROM based off of CM9 with a kernel that I optimized and even running this system that is very far from stock I have a very stable system, it's even been overclocked from 1.4GHZ to 1.7GHZ. Which phone did you own, was it made in the last two years.
The iPhone is a no brainer purchase because you know what your getting. Android phones unfortunately are mostly crap, about 3/4 of them. However, if you do your research, visit the corporate help sites, you will find a phone that rivals the iPhone and may even surpass it. This is kind of geeky but I have been testing Ubuntu's new mobile OS, it turns your phone into a desktop system. It works, it's very quick, I can run my development software on it and even a full version of OpenOffice. I just insert my Note into it's cradle that's connected to a 22" monitor via HDMI and keyboard and mouse via bluetooth. This is why I like owning Android phones, their opened, I can make them into the system that I want. Not to mention that they are a blast to own, to customize, to push them to do things that are not possible on other systems.
iOS is a beautiful, stable, boring, closed OS. You must follow the Apple way or the highway. So far from what OSX gave me, I have a powerful Unix terminal with all of my nix stuff and I am still able to run all of the normal desktop applications. I don't hate iOS I just cant do half of the things I can do with the Android system, things I want to do and yes they are very far from the normal scope of usage.
I assume a URL shortener would resolve that. I doubt their filter will look at long URL destination before submitting your post.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
http://************/2012/03/14/study-smartphone-owners-demand-bigger-screens-prefer-4-inches/
EDIT: Seems AI isn't allowing links to 9to5Mac? Tried a couple of times, but get asterisks replacing 9to5mac. ???
This is the first I've seen or heard of it. I asked in the moderator forum, hopefully I'll hear back on it. I requested they don't do that. It's a competing site, but I think it's unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I assume a URL shortener would resolve that. I doubt their filter will look at long URL destination before submitting your post.
For the time being, it should get around the problem. The problem is I tend to refrain from clicking shortened URLs, I imagine other people are leery of it too.