Looks like the Microsoft employees are trolling. Won't help.
Funny how all of a sudden there seems to be a lot of pro-Microsoft commentators surprisingly well informed about the features of this device across all the Mac forums right now. Redmond is clearly feeling the heat.
same price, less battery, less memory, more fragile, worse keyboard, worse mouse, worse ecosystem (so far), more heat, smaller screen, no OSX and i could go on and on. so the air is better.
and the iPad is also better as a tablet.
this is the galaxy note of the tablets (compromises). it's up to you to choose, but it will sell.
what?
Where is the price? windows 8 has worse ecosystem? what?
I don't really see this as a competitor to the iPad. They really didn't mention much about the iPad, nor did they hint at it except for the inclusion of Office. I see this more as a competitor to Android tablets. I doubt it will beat the iPad, but I do see this as a major competitor to Android tablets which are just rubbish. If I were Google, I'd be worried. If I were Apple, I'd be interested, but not 100% worried. Apple is way in front of the game and M$ has a lot of catching up to do.
If it looks good from where you're "at", then you're in Dumbsville, because this is MS, whose execution of any idea, good or bad, is questionable, at best.
No pricing announced. Battery life? Is this thing supposed to sit on a desk or on your lap? Will the kick stand snap? How much are those smart covers with keyboards on them? What is Windows RT, I thought it was for tablets but now it seems it's only for half the tablets? There's a keyboard and a pen and a USB port for a mouse!
Don't worry your head over all those questions. This Vapor-ware. It will never see the light of day. Did you catch the shot where they flipped the cover back, and since it was heavier then the tablet, it did a whoopsie and flipped off the table??
Isn't the Apple's SmartCover magnetic hinge patented? Bring on the injunction!
I doubt that a magnet used a hinge will be owned by Apple unless a specific method for the hinge on a computer device that is being copied and I don't see any unique traits to Apple's Smart Cover being duplicated.
Where is the price? windows 8 has worse ecosystem? what?
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
Don't worry your head over all those questions. This Vapor-ware. It will never see the light of day. Did you catch the shot where they flipped the cover back, and since it was heavier then the tablet, it did a whoopsie and flipped off the table??
I think there may be a nice response to the Intel version as it will run legacy software and is very portable. On the downside, it will be more like a MBA in that can't work too hard due to the heat restrictions. So, people that want a MBP for performance would not be attracted to this hardware. If I had a choice between a MBA and this, I think I'd still go MBA due to it's "out of the briefcase" simplicity, and it instant start up.
However the ARM version may be a much harder sell for MS. First, it''s not expected to be priced less, second, the MS ARM version will have very little apps to begin with.
My take-away is that MS is going to strongly push the need for a keyboard with system 8, Intel version or ARM version. I expect Apple to say, "Why type, when you can talk?"
My bet is that TALK will win over TYPE.
except for most of hte world, where the talking in iOS is only a gimmick. Even then, after the 14th time saying the same word only to have it fail, it fails as a gimmick.
Here's their horribly terrible fragmented vision coming to life. Anyone else notice that they don't provide many actual details of the hardware? Or that the 'smart cover' ripoff is called "The Vapor"?
He's a Microsoft FAN desperate for anything - literally ANYTHING - marketed as an iPad competitor with an MS logo on it.
THAT is how much it positively sucks to be an MS fan these days. Or these . . . years.
I just don't get how people can be all ready to ditch an existing product for something that has no price or release date and obviously something they haven't been able to test out in person. I could understand if you played around with one in a MS or Best Buy store and liked it but how can anyone at this point say it beats a MacBook Air? Just by looking at it there's no way that keyboard can match a MBA keyboard and trackpad. Nevermind we have no idea what the battery life will be or how not it will run.
Now, THAT is so much like MS. No build-up (not that it would help), no special invitations, other than a call to the desk at L.A. Times to "send a couple of your boys down, the Monkey wants to dance."
MS announcing a product that isn't shipping for an OS that isn't shipping to a crowd that is there.
I think you are wrong. Maybe you weren't checking non-Apple tech sites much lately. Build-up and hype among Windows followers was strong, as both this presentation, and one that follows on Wednesday, were announced time ago but MS was very quiet about what will actually be presented. Tech sites and blogs were full of wild guessing, analysis and whatnot.
Maybe not yet on the level of Apple's masterly hype building, but getting there. In addition, it seems that disappointment after actual announcement is also not on the level with Apple's event, where much more people expect more and get less.
I doubt that a magnet used a hinge will be owned by Apple unless a specific method for the hinge on a computer device that is being copied and I don't see any unique traits to Apple's Smart Cover being duplicated.
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
1) I don't think it's vapourware.
2) The heavy cover issue is not good.
The SmartCover patent is D658,186. I'm sure the use of magnet as a hinge is unique and could be stipulated on this patent. All I know is MS ripped this off!
The iPad at 9.7" has a higher resolution display that their 10.6" 2048-by-1536 vs 1920-by-1080. They have not quoted the price how do you know it's less money (probably less that the MacBook Pro with Retina, but not less that iPad). Will be running Windows 8 an OS that so far has not been getting glowing reviews (Granted it's not finished yet). They have quoted a Core i5 but at what speed? What battery life? WHAT THE HELL!
It's the only tablet available [at some unannounced future date] that supports a chadless papertape reader and Nevada CoBOL on Tarball -- MS BASIC optional.
Mistake. MS offering too many devices and not coordinated with an OS, And not available now, and not in stores, no price mentioned. Poorly done annoincement.
Might be an interesting product.
It's MS's attempt to let some air out of Apple's tires by getting people to want to wait and see this Vapor-doofus in a store before buying an Apple product.
Not only was the announcement poorly done, they accidently dropped the tablet, and the turnout for the presentation was late and poorly attended. Look at (1) the small size of the press corps, and (2) the number of Apple products being used by the reporters. What a HOOT!!!
Finally, imagine you are trying to cover this event with a kickstand on your screen, a floppy keyboard with no back-lighting, and on a two-hour battery life. There were some iPads also present but not shown in this photo. Where are the netbooks?
I doubt that a magnet used a hinge will be owned by Apple unless a specific method for the hinge on a computer device that is being copied and I don't see any unique traits to Apple's Smart Cover being duplicated.
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
1) I don't think it's vapourware.
2) The heavy cover issue is not good.
Apple's iPad Smart Cover patent (D658,186). Using a magnet as a hinge for sure is unique and have never been seen anywhere on a gadget or else Apple will not be granted with this patent. I can smell an injunction here!
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Looks like the Microsoft employees are trolling. Won't help.
Funny how all of a sudden there seems to be a lot of pro-Microsoft commentators surprisingly well informed about the features of this device across all the Mac forums right now. Redmond is clearly feeling the heat.
Isn't the Apple's SmartCover magnetic hinge patented? Bring on the injunction!
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
same price, less battery, less memory, more fragile, worse keyboard, worse mouse, worse ecosystem (so far), more heat, smaller screen, no OSX and i could go on and on. so the air is better.
and the iPad is also better as a tablet.
this is the galaxy note of the tablets (compromises). it's up to you to choose, but it will sell.
what?
Where is the price? windows 8 has worse ecosystem? what?
I don't really see this as a competitor to the iPad. They really didn't mention much about the iPad, nor did they hint at it except for the inclusion of Office. I see this more as a competitor to Android tablets. I doubt it will beat the iPad, but I do see this as a major competitor to Android tablets which are just rubbish. If I were Google, I'd be worried. If I were Apple, I'd be interested, but not 100% worried. Apple is way in front of the game and M$ has a lot of catching up to do.
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Originally Posted by markbriton
No pricing announced. Battery life? Is this thing supposed to sit on a desk or on your lap? Will the kick stand snap? How much are those smart covers with keyboards on them? What is Windows RT, I thought it was for tablets but now it seems it's only for half the tablets? There's a keyboard and a pen and a USB port for a mouse!
Don't worry your head over all those questions. This Vapor-ware. It will never see the light of day. Did you catch the shot where they flipped the cover back, and since it was heavier then the tablet, it did a whoopsie and flipped off the table??
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
1) I don't think it's vapourware.
2) The heavy cover issue is not good.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
I think there may be a nice response to the Intel version as it will run legacy software and is very portable. On the downside, it will be more like a MBA in that can't work too hard due to the heat restrictions. So, people that want a MBP for performance would not be attracted to this hardware. If I had a choice between a MBA and this, I think I'd still go MBA due to it's "out of the briefcase" simplicity, and it instant start up.
However the ARM version may be a much harder sell for MS. First, it''s not expected to be priced less, second, the MS ARM version will have very little apps to begin with.
My take-away is that MS is going to strongly push the need for a keyboard with system 8, Intel version or ARM version. I expect Apple to say, "Why type, when you can talk?"
My bet is that TALK will win over TYPE.
except for most of hte world, where the talking in iOS is only a gimmick. Even then, after the 14th time saying the same word only to have it fail, it fails as a gimmick.
Give me a break.
If you really like crap, then eat it away from us.
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Originally Posted by theskivvys
Whoops the Surface crashed already during the presentation, ah well just grab another one!
Wait, is that Dean Pelton?
Here's their horribly terrible fragmented vision coming to life. Anyone else notice that they don't provide many actual details of the hardware? Or that the 'smart cover' ripoff is called "The Vapor"?
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
Now, THAT is so much like MS. No build-up (not that it would help), no special invitations, other than a call to the desk at L.A. Times to "send a couple of your boys down, the Monkey wants to dance."
MS announcing a product that isn't shipping for an OS that isn't shipping to a crowd that is there.
I think you are wrong. Maybe you weren't checking non-Apple tech sites much lately. Build-up and hype among Windows followers was strong, as both this presentation, and one that follows on Wednesday, were announced time ago but MS was very quiet about what will actually be presented. Tech sites and blogs were full of wild guessing, analysis and whatnot.
Maybe not yet on the level of Apple's masterly hype building, but getting there. In addition, it seems that disappointment after actual announcement is also not on the level with Apple's event, where much more people expect more and get less.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I doubt that a magnet used a hinge will be owned by Apple unless a specific method for the hinge on a computer device that is being copied and I don't see any unique traits to Apple's Smart Cover being duplicated.
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
1) I don't think it's vapourware.
2) The heavy cover issue is not good.
The SmartCover patent is D658,186. I'm sure the use of magnet as a hinge is unique and could be stipulated on this patent. All I know is MS ripped this off!
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/04/apple-wins-patents-for-ipad-smart-cover-itunes-store-more.html
The iPad at 9.7" has a higher resolution display that their 10.6" 2048-by-1536 vs 1920-by-1080. They have not quoted the price how do you know it's less money (probably less that the MacBook Pro with Retina, but not less that iPad). Will be running Windows 8 an OS that so far has not been getting glowing reviews (Granted it's not finished yet). They have quoted a Core i5 but at what speed? What battery life? WHAT THE HELL!
It's the only tablet available [at some unannounced future date] that supports a chadless papertape reader and Nevada CoBOL on Tarball -- MS BASIC optional.
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Originally Posted by waldobushman
Mistake. MS offering too many devices and not coordinated with an OS, And not available now, and not in stores, no price mentioned. Poorly done annoincement.
Might be an interesting product.
It's MS's attempt to let some air out of Apple's tires by getting people to want to wait and see this Vapor-doofus in a store before buying an Apple product.
Not only was the announcement poorly done, they accidently dropped the tablet, and the turnout for the presentation was late and poorly attended. Look at (1) the small size of the press corps, and (2) the number of Apple products being used by the reporters. What a HOOT!!!
Finally, imagine you are trying to cover this event with a kickstand on your screen, a floppy keyboard with no back-lighting, and on a two-hour battery life. There were some iPads also present but not shown in this photo. Where are the netbooks?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I doubt that a magnet used a hinge will be owned by Apple unless a specific method for the hinge on a computer device that is being copied and I don't see any unique traits to Apple's Smart Cover being duplicated.
On the Win8 RT ecosystem, absolutely.
Then there is the issue of Win8 apps for x86 running on that CULV processor that is possibly under-clocked and with less RAM than most Windows apps are designed around. There will be confusion.
1) I don't think it's vapourware.
2) The heavy cover issue is not good.
Apple's iPad Smart Cover patent (D658,186). Using a magnet as a hinge for sure is unique and have never been seen anywhere on a gadget or else Apple will not be granted with this patent. I can smell an injunction here!