iPhone 5 will put Samsung's Galaxy S III to shame, says Foxconn CEO

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  • Reply 81 of 134

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    It's still a pretty good record. Much of the mobile device market doesn't provide two major OS updates on top of the original OS, and just about no other maker provides same-day updates for older units as they do newer ones. I think the other companies largely expect hackers to provide updates.


    I agree, it is pretty good but just making a point. HP is shocking for dumping products shortly after release, that was my experience anyway.

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  • Reply 82 of 134
    hari5hari5 Posts: 56member

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    Based on the preceding list, Apple iOS 6 appears to be five years ahead of Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean.


    There is no sense in comparing iOS 6 with 5.0 Jelly Bean based on rumors. There is no preview of Jelly Bean available. Google has yet to unveil the OS.


     


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    Of course, this ignores a major issue. Any Android-based smartphone purchased even months after the release of Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean will likely never be upgraded to Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean. Apple provides iOS software updates years after the purchase of Apple iPhones.


    That is a major issue for companies like Samsung, HTC, Sony who are unable to provide the upgrade due to their proprietary layers. However any user who purchases latest Google's Nexus branded phone gets the update on  day 1 of their release due to stock android. 

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  • Reply 83 of 134
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    They're not really hackers but for lack of a better term I'll stick with it.

    It might be considered a loaded term, so it is trickier than I realized. I do think "hackers" is apropos, but I didn't mean it in the negative connotation like the kind you might hear in the news. It seems like there is a better way to make a distinction between the hobbyist and the criminal kind, but I forget other ways to make that distinction.
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  • Reply 84 of 134
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Very true but not always an option, one can also get a 3-5 forecast as well. That's a lot of looking outta windows.


     


    That's a pull down menu in iOS.


     


    Thanks to the open source community for the iOS 5.0 notifications.

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  • Reply 85 of 134
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member

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    Nothing like a little casual racism to tell us who the enemy is.





    "I respect the Japanese and especially like their execution and communication styles,"... well, considering how many Chinese were executed by Japanese during the WW2... there's something in this CEO's statement... /s

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  • Reply 86 of 134
    noelosnoelos Posts: 127member

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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post





    It might be considered a loaded term, so it is trickier than I realized. I do think "hackers" is apropos, but I didn't mean it in the negative connotation like the kind you might hear in the news. It seems like there is a better way to make a distinction between the hobbyist and the criminal kind, but I forget other ways to make that distinction.


     


    The term 'cracker' used to be more common for the person who tries to break into systems. The term 'hacker' goes way back and just means a clever enthusiast who comes up with a creative engineering solution especially in computer technology. I think it was the rich term.

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  • Reply 87 of 134
    noelosnoelos Posts: 127member

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    Originally Posted by Hari5 View Post


    Change in UI can increase functionality in iOS. Let's take an example. Currently in iOS to check weather a user can either hold down the home button & ask siri or pull down notification center from home screen or go to the weather app from home screen. Now because Windows Phone supports 'live tiles' so in that UI, user only needs to go to home screen to check the live weather. Android also gives the similar functionality via their live widgets.


     


    It's clear that iOS's static icons UI does not help much in such cases. Especially with rumors of larger screen iPhone, they could have changed the UI by using that extra space but they didn't. In WWDC '12, it was really embarrassing when Forstall mentioned features like Facebook integration, Mail VIP folder & Phone 'reply with message' as one of the major features of iOS 6. Last year it was notification center, twitter integration etc. It felt like they were trying to catch up with Android. Come on! With WP8 to come, they really need to make significant changes in UI of iOS. The current UI feels dated. In modern age of smartphone users, not many users are going to get confused with changes in UI. Yes it could take some time to get used to it but it will be beneficial to the end user.



     


    I agree that UI improvements can increase functionality. Your suggest improvement could be added as a swipe-able screen in iOS without fundamentally changing the existing design or interaction model. It's not what I would call "substantial changes in UI of iOS 7."


     


    As to how they use the extra space that may appear in iPhone Next, I guess that remains to be seen. I don't think they demoed iOS6 on a larger handset (unless I missed that bit).


     


    Yes, Apple may be playing catchup on some specific integration features, but we need to separate that from the "significant changes in UI of iOS" that you say are needed.


     


    You closed with "The current UI feels dated. In modern age of smartphone users, not many users are going to get confused with changes in UI. Yes it could take some time to get used to it but it will be beneficial to the end user." Logical increments to the interface are fine, but I think there is a vast user community who find fundamental changes VERY disorienting - and cosmetic changes to be at best pleasant distractions, but at worst confusing and annoying distractions.


     


    I would prefer to buy a device that makes sensible tradeoffs, that doesn't include a feature unless it's implemented well and that gives me a seamless software and hardware upgrade path that requires little to no surprise or confusion when enhancing functionality.

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  • Reply 88 of 134
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,699member

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    Interesting that you say 'clone' considering how much iOs6 is 'cloning' from Android. Hell, iOS5 cloned notification center, or at least the 'look and feel' of it.


     


    I love when people start accusing Apple of cloning Android when Android wasn't first to have most of these features either - they existed in other phones and mobile operating systems before both iOS and Android. Let's not forget that Google completely tossed out Android's original user interface and ended up pretty much completely ripping off the iPhone. If it weren't for Apple and the iPhone, fandroids would all be using phones that look an awful lot like a Blackberry. It was Apple that redefined what a mobile operating system should look like and how you should interact with it, not Google. Google was making a Blackberry/WinMo clone. After they saw the iPhone, they ditched their original plans and decided to create an iPhone clone. Do you really think it was a coincidence that it took them almost two years after Apple showed the iPhone to finally release Android?

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  • Reply 89 of 134
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member


    Aside from all the Taiwanese vs. Korean crap, the statement simply does not hold water.


     


    For some a small phone is best and cannot be beaten by a 720p "monster" no matter how much more powerful the latter might be.


    For others it's important to get the absolute most screen that's still in a compact enough format to go everywhere.


     


    Those two camps will never agree on which is better. If you're drooling at the prospect of owning a Galaxy S III then you're probably not in the iPhone target market anyway so why wait for something you don't want?


     


    The bottom line is that one size cannot fit all and Apple doesn't seem to care. They make what they want to and hope that lots of people with high disposable incomes will like it too. Surely as one of the most valuable companies on the planet with arguably the best supply chain management and so much cash that they've been embarrassed into giving some of it back to the shareholders Apple could afford to make two different sizes of iPhone. The could, but they won't.


     


    It leaves me in a strange position. I would prefer a large screen iPhone over an Android device, but Apple won't make it. Nobody is making apps for Windows Phone so there's no point even looking there. Guess I'll stick with my "dumb phone".

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  • Reply 90 of 134

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    The rumored and desirable features for Android 5.0 Jelly Bean are as follows:

    Power Management and Battery Efficiency (This is a primary design parameter for Apple rather than an afterthought, available since 2007)

    Faster Operating System (This is a primary design parameter for Apple rather than an afterthought, available since 2007)

    Universal Upgrade Path (This is a primary design parameter for Apple rather than an afterthought, available since 2007) will likely never happen for Google Android

    File Manager (Will not be available for Apple iOS for some time, if ever)

    Language Support for languages other than English, Chinese and Spanish (This is a primary design parameter for Apple rather than an afterthought, available since 2007)

    Support for Landscape Mode (available in iOS 2.0)

    Chrome for Android browser (Full Apple Safari Browser available in iOS 1.0 since 2007)

    Improved Keyboard

    User Interface On/Off Toggles

    More Theme options

    Widgets on the Lock Screen

    Android Messenger (Apple iMessage avaialble since November 2011)

    Better social integration

    Deprecation of Adobe Flash (This was an initial design decision for Apple rather than an afterthought, available since 2007)

    Based on the preceding list, Apple iOS 6 appears to be five years ahead of Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean.

    Of course, this ignores a major issue. Any Android-based smartphone purchased even months after the release of Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean will likely never be upgraded to Google Android 5.0 Jelly Bean. Apple provides iOS software updates years after the purchase of Apple iPhones.


    Its quotes like this that make me realize how many people base their opinions of something based on unproven blog post. Android supports more then Chinese, English and Spanish. This post is so full of BS it is hard to read.


     


     


    This is what you sound like


     


    The next version of iOS will have


    Pull down notifications (In android since 1.5)


    Voice control/actions (in android since 2.2)


    MMS support  (In android since 1.5)


    Copy and paste (in android since 2.x)


    New lock screen 


     


    sounds like I have never picked up an iDevice and now I am talking out my A$$

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  • Reply 91 of 134
    pembrokepembroke Posts: 231member


    ...Gou saying that "the new model will put Samsung’s Galaxy III to shame," ...



    I reckon Apple will have a quiet word and ask Gou to be reticent about future products because: 


    a) it could easily have the effect of suppressing current model sales and


    b) producing a product that doesn't quite match hyperbolic expectations will be perceived disappointing.  

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  • Reply 92 of 134
    technarchytechnarchy Posts: 296member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    That's the beauty of widgets, a quick glance at the screen and you know the time and weather, or whatever other information is important.

    At the price of having "stuff" running constantly, eating RAM, GPU and CPU cycles and affecting system stability and battery life.

    I don't want that happening on my iPhone. Androids love of stuff running rampant in the background and foreground is why it has the rep for crashing, laggy, needing battery pulls and reboots to function well.
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  • Reply 93 of 134
    fredaroonyfredaroony Posts: 619member

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    At the price of having "stuff" running constantly, eating RAM, GPU and CPU cycles and affecting system stability and battery life.

    I don't want that happening on my iPhone. Androids love of stuff running rampant in the background and foreground is why it has the rep for crashing, laggy, needing battery pulls and reboots to function well.


    I've had a 3GS, iPhone 4 and currently have a iPhone 4S but have also used a variety of Android phones plus currently using a HTC One X. My experience is that they are about the same as far as crashing and lagging  etc goes.


     


    I've never experienced any lag on my One X or the 4S but I did on the iPhone 4, 3GS and some of the cheaper Androids.

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    I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked for a couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

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    I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked in for couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

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  • Reply 96 of 134
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    noelos wrote: »
    The term 'cracker' used to be more common for the person who tries to break into systems. The term 'hacker' goes way back and just means a clever enthusiast who comes up with a creative engineering solution especially in computer technology. I think it was the rich term.

    I don't know if cracker even was popular in the tech enthusiast culture, never mind got any traction outside of it. Another problem is the word is also used as a racial epithet.
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  • Reply 97 of 134
    lilgto64lilgto64 Posts: 1,147member

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    Why? The UI of iOS is very functional and understood my tens of millions of users. If they had somehow made a terrible interaction metaphor that people couldn't understand, maybe they would need to go back to the drawing-board, but why surprise and confuse your customers just to have something "new"? This is where Microsoft annoy me because in every major release things get moved around, renamed and reordered. If the original design is strong enough, it can evolve instead of being thrown away, forcing your users to relearn what they already knew how to do. Look at the evolution from MacOS to OS X Lion and then look at Windows 1.0 through Windows 8. Both have gone through significant cosmetic changes as graphics capabilities evolved, but the essential desktop metaphor and usage has been more consistent throughout the Apple lineage.


     


    So, given your strong views on user interface and user interaction design, please give us the top five ways you might fix the UI of iOS 7 without alienating and confusing Apple's long-time users.



    Ah but see you have failed to understand the actual underlying reason that MS does that - it is a very sly strategy. 


     


    MS knows that a certain percentage of users - typically business - are either on a software licensing contract that includes software updates - or will automatically upgrade every couple of years to the latest version of MS products - which means that a certain percentage of users will be effectively forced to use the new version. Now, if the new version were effectively the same as the old version from a UI perspective then the average user could seamlessly move from the new version at work to the older version at home etc with little or no adjustment. However, if moving from the office to home is a disjointed jarring experience how can you make your life easier? by purchasing the new version of course. So rather than taking 10 years for the entire user base to switch over to the new version - you can get maybe 80 or 90% converted over in a could years time.  


     
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  • Reply 98 of 134

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    Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post


     


     


    Nothing like a little casual racism to tell us who the enemy is.



    I am a semiconductor and display professional who has worked for couple of Japanese MNC (in Japan), for Samsung (in Korea), and for Foxconn (in Taiwan).  Here is a simple summary of my experience about the corporate culture in the three countries.  Japanese developed many technologies in this area, Koreans stole most of it (especially Samsung) and Taiwanese companies licensed such technologies.  There is nothing racist about this, it is just a fact.

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  • Reply 99 of 134
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    technarchy wrote: »
    At the price of having "stuff" running constantly, eating RAM, GPU and CPU cycles and affecting system stability and battery life.
    I don't want that happening on my iPhone. Androids love of stuff running rampant in the background and foreground is why it has the rep for crashing, laggy, needing battery pulls and reboots to function well.
    yo

    Not as much as you think and most times controllable, a weather widget will update at whatever intervals you set it at, while others can get refreshed by the user.
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  • Reply 100 of 134
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    hari5 wrote: »
    There is no sense in comparing iOS 6 with 5.0 Jelly Bean based on rumors. There is no preview of Jelly Bean available. Google has yet to unveil the OS.

    That is a major issue for companies like Samsung, HTC, Sony who are unable to provide the upgrade due to their proprietary layers. However any user who purchases latest Google's Nexus branded phone gets the update on  day 1 of their release due to stock android. 

    I think it goes beyond "Google has yet to unveil the OS". Your second paragraph is the more important one. Even if Google had laid out the entire OS in all it's glory, it would be meaningless to anyone using an existing Android phone. My daughter's Motorola Flipside just failed. Since it was covered with AT&T's warranty program, they sent her a Pantech P8000. Even though it was just shipped this week, it came with Android 2.2. Pantech's site says that you can upgrade to 2.3. Similarly, my ex bought a new phone last week. It was the latest Android phone from Straight Talk - and came with Android 2.3 and no upgrade is available.

    It absolutely amazes me that the Android community puts up with this. After all, one of the key selling features is that the user supposedly has control over the system, but that's clearly not the case when it comes to upgrades.

    lilgto64 wrote: »
    Ah but see you have failed to understand the actual underlying reason that MS does that - it is a very sly strategy. 

    MS knows that a certain percentage of users - typically business - are either on a software licensing contract that includes software updates - or will automatically upgrade every couple of years to the latest version of MS products - which means that a certain percentage of users will be effectively forced to use the new version. Now, if the new version were effectively the same as the old version from a UI perspective then the average user could seamlessly move from the new version at work to the older version at home etc with little or no adjustment. However, if moving from the office to home is a disjointed jarring experience how can you make your life easier? by purchasing the new version of course. So rather than taking 10 years for the entire user base to switch over to the new version - you can get maybe 80 or 90% converted over in a could years time.  
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    It goes beyond the UI. While they've gotten much better lately, this approach has also used with file formats and hard disk formats. We bought a lot of copies of the latest Office package when .docx files started appearing from customers. We could have either asked the customers to send the file to us in .doc format (making us look like we were behind the times) or upgrade. Today, it's less of a problem because they finally created a .docx plugin for earlier versions, but when the file format first came out, that wasn't true.

    Same thing with NTFS when it first came out. Some people had to upgrade to be able to read various drives.

    I do have to admit, though, that MS has done less of this in the last few years. I guess because "upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 so that you have an OS that works" was enough of an incentive that they didn't need to do anything else.

    dasanman69 wrote: »
    yo
    Not as much as you think and most times controllable, a weather widget will update at whatever intervals you set it at, while others can get refreshed by the user.

    That doesn't change what he said. It still uses RAM and CPU resources and potential stability problems.
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