But how will they get by the "Its a blatant copy of a Samsung TV"?
After all, i'm no prophet, but I can safely guess it will be rectangular with a black front, thin bezel, uncluttered front, ships in cardboard rectangular box, etc....just like a Samsung TV
I mean, if the galaxy tab looks like an ipad, how is a 46" iTV NOT gonna look like a 46" Samsung TV....or any other manufacturer for that matter?
The only way i can see is two options. Make the TV a circle or make a really funky stand. Other than that, I will have trouble picking out which is which when i go to a store and see two rectangular, thin bezel, uncluttered front, TV's that ship in a rectangular cardboard box.
But how will they get by the "Its a blatant copy of a Samsung TV"?
After all, i'm no prophet, but I can safely guess it will be rectangular with a black front, thin bezel, uncluttered front, ships in cardboard rectangular box, etc....just like a Samsung TV
I mean, if the galaxy tab looks like an ipad, how is a 46" iTV NOT gonna look like a 46" Samsung TV....or any other manufacturer for that matter?
The only way i can see is two options. Make the TV a circle or make a really funky stand. Other than that, I will have trouble picking out which is which when i go to a store and see two rectangular, thin bezel, uncluttered front, TV's that ship in a rectangular cardboard box.
If that's the case, Samsung TVs are simply ripoffs of Sony, which are ripoffs of Philips, which are.....
Anyone bother to do the math to determine what a "Retina Display" actually is for say a 50" display from the appropriate viewing distance
Its even less than 1080 P if you sit on a couch ten feet away.
At any rate, retina is just a dumb marketing term anyway. At any distance any display will cease to show pixels. I can call a 480p display retina and just say from x feet away.
Even on the iphone, or even on the HIGHER PPI HTC sensation, if you hold it close enough you see pixels.
But you have to hand it to Apple, "Retina Display' does sound cool, even if it is no longer the last word on pixel density.
Its even less than 1080 P if you sit on a couch ten feet away.
At any rate, retina is just a dumb marketing term anyway. At any distance any display will cease to show pixels. I can call a 480p display retina and just say from x feet away.
Even on the iphone, or even on the HIGHER PPI HTC sensation, if you hold it close enough you see pixels.
But you have to hand it to Apple, "Retina Display' does sound cool, even if it is no longer the last word on pixel density.
See my edit above. And Yes, you're correct. I think could easily just make a 1080p 50" TV and not have to do anything more than that. Higher pixel density from 10 feet away isn't going to improve anything.
Foxconn bought 10% of Sharp. Foxconn is taking over the factory that produces these panels. Foxconn's spin is that these panels will put them 3 years ahead of Samsung.
Its assumed that these panels will be for an Apple branded TV. Or. could be that Foxconn is taking over to make Sharp more profitable by refining and speeding production. Could also be that there won't we an Apple TV but a Sharp branded TV with Apple Integrated components (i.e. Apple Inside"). This would give Sharp a boost, it keeps Apple out of the TV Business while offering an ATV inside type product with advanced features. Sort of like dipping you toes in the water.
Its not like Apple bought shares in Sharp or owns Foxconn so there is an at arms distance here so not sure if this will be an Apple Branded TV. Guess time will tell.
A 4k display- wow that sounds awesome. What is it going to play? HD Cable, Blu rays, or iTunes streamed in 4k?
Why not make it 24k? It makes it just as useful as 4k.
4K - it's the marketing department's latest buzzword, as they've just realised that they've been flogging the 3D dead horse for long enough and need something 'new and exciting' to bamboozle the gullible buying public with.....
Although the article you linked to is rather poorly written, had you bothered to read it you would have learned that LED TV means LED BACK-LIT. The LEDs are along the top and bottom of the TV completely out of view behind the LCD panel. The LEDs are white LEDs which are the same as blue LEDs except they have a phosphorous coating.They replace the fluorescent tubes that used to provide the same function. That is all. There are some TVs that use RGB LEDs which reportedly produce a superior image.
Foxconn bought 10% of Sharp. Foxconn is taking over the factory that produces these panels. Foxconn's spin is that these panels will put them 3 years ahead of Samsung.
Its assumed that these panels will be for an Apple branded TV. Or. could be that Foxconn is taking over to make Sharp more profitable by refining and speeding production. Could also be that there won't we an Apple TV but a Sharp branded TV with Apple Integrated components (i.e. Apple Inside"). This would give Sharp a boost, it keeps Apple out of the TV Business while offering an ATV inside type product with advanced features. Sort of like dipping you toes in the water.
Its not like Apple bought shares in Sharp or owns Foxconn so there is an at arms distance here so not sure if this will be an Apple Branded TV. Guess time will tell.
Sorry but this would never happen. Apple already has the AppleTV. The only step for them to take into the display side is the full deal, the iTV or the Apple HDTV or whatever. They would never, at this stage of the game, do it half way like that. Its all or nothing.
Personally I don't see the need or the market, but Apple does have a knack for spurring those things. It worries me though, as I've never doubted what some people have thought were "Apple risks" that panned out to be huge successes. I never doubted the iPod, iPhone, iPad, or any majorly successful push of the last several years. I didn't have much faith in Ping, and.....well, that's over (or nearly over).
Whatever dude, you win. I meant whatever you say, you are the boss, congrats, here's a cookie, its in the mail, enjoy it. I threw in some money for the kids and kiss for your wife.
I have no place to put a 65" TV. I know some people have dedicated media rooms for their home theater but I only have the 18' x 20' family room. I dislike having a huge TV that dominates the room. It is not like TV is the primary function of the room and a TV that large really detracts from the rest of the interior decor and furnishings. I have a 42" in that room which is large enough for my needs. I also have a 27 in the kitchen and the garage but I swear I don't watch much TV at all.
The publication allegedly spoke with a Sharp executive and other sources at the company, which led the news outlet to believe LCD TV panels have been ordered for an anticipated Apple television. The report suggested such a device could be made available before the 2012 holiday season.
And if not, there's always next year. This rumour should be coming up for at least its 4th anniversary by now. Have we had all the size guesses yet? 32", 47.5", 54.43". Prices too remember, $50 all the way up to $7000.
White believes the pieces are in place for Apple to launch a full-fledged HDTV in the near future. With just a 2 percent unit share in the LCD TV market, White believes Apple could generate sales of $10 billion per year, with $1.50 to $2.00 in earnings per share.
Sales don't mean squat unless there's profit. Think of the difference between the iPad and the TV. Nobody had an iPad before the iPad. Almost everybody has a TV. It would make sense if Apple made the panels but they don't and they'd be going up against manufacturers who do. So, they are buying panels, building a case and selling them to compete with the same panels in a different case.
Even if the software is better, the point of a TV is to do nothing but stream content so the software and hardware have to get out of the way.
Apple TV? It would want to be VERY VERY good. Trying to sell a product into an already heavily saturated market is not easy.
I keep hearing this and why do you think this would be the case? If Apple comes out with their own TV you can bet it will be much different than what we're used to calling a TV and therefor unique, making it immune to issues with working inside a market already saturated by devices that perform the same functions. You can bet that if it took Steve Jobs years to finally "crack" what would make TVs better, it will be something that redefines what we consider to be televisions.
Everything people list as what they'd like to see are all fairly common features of modern television sets. Here's a few things that could set Apple apart from other manufacturers...
1. K.I.S.S. Let the display be a display and break out all the connections into a set-top box. Apple is famous for hating wires, having one data cord and one power cord to the display would keep the cable clutter down to a minimum and allow more freedom where the TV can be positioned or located. Make a display in a few sizes. Make the set-top box in a few models depending on what connections/features the person needs.
2. Work with device manufacturers to create an industry standard interconnect (hardline or wireless), so that these devices can communicate with each other - making it possible for the set-top box to control other components which would enable Apple's TV to put up a much more simplified, elegant and consistent interface for those other devices which tend to have really crappy interfaces.
3. Work with content creators to create and offer iTunes content that is context aware. Like with iBooks, could embed extra data; video, photos, text, URLs, etc.
4. Partner with TitanTV and offer much better content guides that can use Siri for searching and navigation. (Cable box channel guides are horrendous and such a pain to use.)
All I can say is that each week the rumors keep getting better and better. Eventually they'll have this Apple TV buit up to the point of cooking breakfast and making your bed when you get up. Sounds good to me, hopefully its true.
I hope that Apple DO NOT USE LCD. They have been demonstrating a certain level of environmental care by using LED and a lot of new TV's use LED, so why would they go back to the bad old days?
NEWS FLASH: There's no such thing as an LED TV. They're all LCDs. They use LED backlights.
1. All 5.1 surround sound channels available to stream REAL TIME to wireless speakers.
3. WiFi real time streaming available from iPad and Mac OS to TV
"Apple could sell more if they break the laws of physics."
2. Retina display for 50" to 60" hires display.
Then it will cost $250,000. Don't just say things.
5. Front row with remote to iTunes/tv/etc...
Front Row is long, LONG dead.
6. Free content. Well, at least some! Come on Apple, if you charge premium price for hardware, give something back.
No. Period. Come on.
7. Free to air digital TV recording, pause live TV. Multiple channel recording/viewing
And you'll be getting this TV from where?
8. Thunderbolt for external media content storage devices, additional screens etc.
Er… please expound on "additional screens"… Do you often sit with multiple televisions right next to one another?
9. A very nice design and very nice price.
Okay, so $300,000, then, if you want the design.
10. Something distinctly Apple. Don't know what or how, but it has to be unlike anything else on the market.
How's about not a TV at all? That's unlike anything else on the market. Just the nice little $99 box that does absolutely everything a television could ever do, plus affords the ability to actually sell some units since why would anyone replace all their TVs before buying a couple little boxes?
LCD screens with LED backlights that they call LED screens for marketing purposes. Every Apple screen is an LED screen by the definition.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Although the article you linked to is rather poorly written, had you bothered to read it you would have learned that LED TV means LED BACK-LIT. The LEDs are along the top and bottom of the TV completely out of view behind the LCD panel. The LEDs are white LEDs which are the same as blue LEDs except they have a phosphorous coating.They replace the fluorescent tubes that used to provide the same function. That is all. There are some TVs that use RGB LEDs which reportedly produce a superior image.
I hope that Apple DO NOT USE LCD. They have been demonstrating a certain level of environmental care by using LED and a lot of new TV's use LED, so why would they go back to the bad old days?
Apple TV? It would want to be VERY VERY good. Trying to sell a product into an already heavily saturated market is not easy.
Besides, I have a Mac-mini connected to a 50" TV right now, with legato eye TV, a brilliant match. The TV and mac mini combined with the Eye TV costs about $2500. I'd imagine that Apple won't be getting something on the market at that price.
Here's what I think might help sell it:
1. All 5.1 surround sound channels available to stream REAL TIME to wireless speakers.
2. Retina display for 50" to 60" hires display.
3. WiFi real time streaming available from iPad and Mac OS to TV
4. Safari browsing with remote mouse/trackpad/keyboardgt
5. Front row with remote to iTunes/tv/etc...
6. Free content. Well, at least some! Come on Apple, if you charge premium price for hardware, give something back.
7. Free to air digital TV recording, pause live TV. Multiple channel recording/viewing
8. Thunderbolt for external media content storage devices, additional screens etc.
9. A very nice design and very nice price.
10. Something distinctly Apple. Don't know what or how, but it has to be unlike anything else on the market. iOS and Mac OS is simply not enough to make it special. Siri? Maybe, but perhaps LEAP might be the trick.
LED TVs still have LCD panels, the LEDs are used for back lighting.
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But how will they get by the "Its a blatant copy of a Samsung TV"?
After all, i'm no prophet, but I can safely guess it will be rectangular with a black front, thin bezel, uncluttered front, ships in cardboard rectangular box, etc....just like a Samsung TV
I mean, if the galaxy tab looks like an ipad, how is a 46" iTV NOT gonna look like a 46" Samsung TV....or any other manufacturer for that matter?
The only way i can see is two options. Make the TV a circle or make a really funky stand. Other than that, I will have trouble picking out which is which when i go to a store and see two rectangular, thin bezel, uncluttered front, TV's that ship in a rectangular cardboard box.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
But how will they get by the "Its a blatant copy of a Samsung TV"?
After all, i'm no prophet, but I can safely guess it will be rectangular with a black front, thin bezel, uncluttered front, ships in cardboard rectangular box, etc....just like a Samsung TV
I mean, if the galaxy tab looks like an ipad, how is a 46" iTV NOT gonna look like a 46" Samsung TV....or any other manufacturer for that matter?
The only way i can see is two options. Make the TV a circle or make a really funky stand. Other than that, I will have trouble picking out which is which when i go to a store and see two rectangular, thin bezel, uncluttered front, TV's that ship in a rectangular cardboard box.
If that's the case, Samsung TVs are simply ripoffs of Sony, which are ripoffs of Philips, which are.....
Go back to sleep.
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Originally Posted by pmz
Anyone bother to do the math to determine what a "Retina Display" actually is for say a 50" display from the appropriate viewing distance
Its even less than 1080 P if you sit on a couch ten feet away.
At any rate, retina is just a dumb marketing term anyway. At any distance any display will cease to show pixels. I can call a 480p display retina and just say from x feet away.
Even on the iphone, or even on the HIGHER PPI HTC sensation, if you hold it close enough you see pixels.
But you have to hand it to Apple, "Retina Display' does sound cool, even if it is no longer the last word on pixel density.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
If that's the case, Samsung TVs are simply ripoffs of Sony, which are ripoffs of Philips, which are.....
Go back to sleep.
Hence the reason i said ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER.
Geez, read the post.
See my edit above. And Yes, you're correct. I think could easily just make a 1080p 50" TV and not have to do anything more than that. Higher pixel density from 10 feet away isn't going to improve anything.
The panel sizes are 60-80". Was mentioned in the following recent News Post
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/20/iphone_5_will_put_samsungs_galaxy_s_iii_to_shame_says_foxconn_ceo.html
Foxconn bought 10% of Sharp. Foxconn is taking over the factory that produces these panels. Foxconn's spin is that these panels will put them 3 years ahead of Samsung.
Its assumed that these panels will be for an Apple branded TV. Or. could be that Foxconn is taking over to make Sharp more profitable by refining and speeding production. Could also be that there won't we an Apple TV but a Sharp branded TV with Apple Integrated components (i.e. Apple Inside"). This would give Sharp a boost, it keeps Apple out of the TV Business while offering an ATV inside type product with advanced features. Sort of like dipping you toes in the water.
Its not like Apple bought shares in Sharp or owns Foxconn so there is an at arms distance here so not sure if this will be an Apple Branded TV. Guess time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
A 4k display- wow that sounds awesome. What is it going to play? HD Cable, Blu rays, or iTunes streamed in 4k?
Why not make it 24k? It makes it just as useful as 4k.
4K - it's the marketing department's latest buzzword, as they've just realised that they've been flogging the 3D dead horse for long enough and need something 'new and exciting' to bamboozle the gullible buying public with.....
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Originally Posted by juanm105
hmm, what are these?
http://tv.toptenreviews.com/led-tv/
Although the article you linked to is rather poorly written, had you bothered to read it you would have learned that LED TV means LED BACK-LIT. The LEDs are along the top and bottom of the TV completely out of view behind the LCD panel. The LEDs are white LEDs which are the same as blue LEDs except they have a phosphorous coating.They replace the fluorescent tubes that used to provide the same function. That is all. There are some TVs that use RGB LEDs which reportedly produce a superior image.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
Hence the reason i said ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER.
Geez, read the post.
I did. You meant Samsung.
Sorry but this would never happen. Apple already has the AppleTV. The only step for them to take into the display side is the full deal, the iTV or the Apple HDTV or whatever. They would never, at this stage of the game, do it half way like that. Its all or nothing.
Personally I don't see the need or the market, but Apple does have a knack for spurring those things. It worries me though, as I've never doubted what some people have thought were "Apple risks" that panned out to be huge successes. I never doubted the iPod, iPhone, iPad, or any majorly successful push of the last several years. I didn't have much faith in Ping, and.....well, that's over (or nearly over).
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I did. You meant Samsung.
Huh? I i Clearly wrote any other manufacturer?
Whatever dude, you win. I meant whatever you say, you are the boss, congrats, here's a cookie, its in the mail, enjoy it. I threw in some money for the kids and kiss for your wife.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Not even close. At least 65".
And plasma.
I have no place to put a 65" TV. I know some people have dedicated media rooms for their home theater but I only have the 18' x 20' family room. I dislike having a huge TV that dominates the room. It is not like TV is the primary function of the room and a TV that large really detracts from the rest of the interior decor and furnishings. I have a 42" in that room which is large enough for my needs. I also have a 27 in the kitchen and the garage but I swear I don't watch much TV at all.
And if not, there's always next year. This rumour should be coming up for at least its 4th anniversary by now. Have we had all the size guesses yet? 32", 47.5", 54.43". Prices too remember, $50 all the way up to $7000.
Sales don't mean squat unless there's profit. Think of the difference between the iPad and the TV. Nobody had an iPad before the iPad. Almost everybody has a TV. It would make sense if Apple made the panels but they don't and they'd be going up against manufacturers who do. So, they are buying panels, building a case and selling them to compete with the same panels in a different case.
Even if the software is better, the point of a TV is to do nothing but stream content so the software and hardware have to get out of the way.
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Originally Posted by Peter Windle
Apple TV? It would want to be VERY VERY good. Trying to sell a product into an already heavily saturated market is not easy.
I keep hearing this and why do you think this would be the case? If Apple comes out with their own TV you can bet it will be much different than what we're used to calling a TV and therefor unique, making it immune to issues with working inside a market already saturated by devices that perform the same functions. You can bet that if it took Steve Jobs years to finally "crack" what would make TVs better, it will be something that redefines what we consider to be televisions.
Everything people list as what they'd like to see are all fairly common features of modern television sets. Here's a few things that could set Apple apart from other manufacturers...
1. K.I.S.S. Let the display be a display and break out all the connections into a set-top box. Apple is famous for hating wires, having one data cord and one power cord to the display would keep the cable clutter down to a minimum and allow more freedom where the TV can be positioned or located. Make a display in a few sizes. Make the set-top box in a few models depending on what connections/features the person needs.
2. Work with device manufacturers to create an industry standard interconnect (hardline or wireless), so that these devices can communicate with each other - making it possible for the set-top box to control other components which would enable Apple's TV to put up a much more simplified, elegant and consistent interface for those other devices which tend to have really crappy interfaces.
3. Work with content creators to create and offer iTunes content that is context aware. Like with iBooks, could embed extra data; video, photos, text, URLs, etc.
4. Partner with TitanTV and offer much better content guides that can use Siri for searching and navigation. (Cable box channel guides are horrendous and such a pain to use.)
All I can say is that each week the rumors keep getting better and better. Eventually they'll have this Apple TV buit up to the point of cooking breakfast and making your bed when you get up. Sounds good to me, hopefully its true.
NEWS FLASH: There's no such thing as an LED TV. They're all LCDs. They use LED backlights.
"Apple could sell more if they break the laws of physics."
Then it will cost $250,000. Don't just say things.
Front Row is long, LONG dead.
No. Period. Come on.
And you'll be getting this TV from where?
Er… please expound on "additional screens"… Do you often sit with multiple televisions right next to one another?
Okay, so $300,000, then, if you want the design.
How's about not a TV at all? That's unlike anything else on the market. Just the nice little $99 box that does absolutely everything a television could ever do, plus affords the ability to actually sell some units since why would anyone replace all their TVs before buying a couple little boxes?
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Originally Posted by juanm105
hmm, what are these?
http://tv.toptenreviews.com/led-tv/
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Originally Posted by malax
LCD screens with LED backlights that they call LED screens for marketing purposes. Every Apple screen is an LED screen by the definition.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Although the article you linked to is rather poorly written, had you bothered to read it you would have learned that LED TV means LED BACK-LIT. The LEDs are along the top and bottom of the TV completely out of view behind the LCD panel. The LEDs are white LEDs which are the same as blue LEDs except they have a phosphorous coating.They replace the fluorescent tubes that used to provide the same function. That is all. There are some TVs that use RGB LEDs which reportedly produce a superior image.
LOL
LED TVs still have LCD panels, the LEDs are used for back lighting.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
NEWS FLASH: There's no such thing as an LED TV. They're all LCDs. They use LED backlights.
Well, not ALL TVs are LCDs. Many LED-lit ones are. But not all.