If Jelly Bean is really smooth as they say (that was the main critic to android), it will objectively blow iOS6 out of the water. What single feature iOS has that this has not?
Likewise, what does Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have that iOS 6 Sundance doesn't have? There really is quite a bit of feature parity at this point. The difference between the two operating systems is weighing the value of customization versus the value of an ecosystem, power efficiency, privacy and security as well as software updates.
I should add that customization for Apple iPhone isn't as bad as Android pundits would have you believe. Similarly, Google Play (the ecosystem) isn't as bad as Apple pundits would have you believe. As far as power efficiency and software updates there are a few Android-based smartphones that are competitive with the iPhone the only problem for the average consumer is knowing which.
Privacy and Security are concerns for both platforms with Apple having a massive advantage. With the Privacy Settings in iOS 6, Apple has shown their allegiance to customers rather than developers in regards to privacy and security.
But wait, have these competitors given up on trying to match the new iPads resolution of 2015x1536? All these non retina android tablets don't seem very compelling to me.
12 core graphics? Are those specs correct? Regardless, again it has too little storage and NFC instead of 3g is bad comedy.
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded
Wow, 12-core GPU. Not that it's gonna prevent the Garbage Collection form stalling your game or anything...
GPU core identification has become meaningless. For all intents and purposes it just means it has 12 independent floating point stages, which is pretty pathetic when stated that way. They are still mostly linearly placed in hardware so it's not like you can get 12x parallelization over and above what a GPU already does.
Likewise, what does Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have that iOS 6 Sundance doesn't have? There really is quite a bit of feature parity at this point. The difference between the two operating systems is weighing the value of customization versus the value of an ecosystem, power efficiency, privacy and security as well as software updates.
All the fanatics went out and bought Android 3.x tablets as well and came on these boards and proclaimed that Apple and the iPad would be a niche device by the end of the year. How did that work out?
Sorry, I don't see Android tablets taking off ever. Android is largely seen by consumers as a mobile phone OS. Actually, I'll go one step further than that, a large majority of people who buy Android based phones are just buying phones, they don't care about the OS and probably never will. Android is not "winning" some OS war, it's merely a default on crappy phones that disinterested consumers purchase as a low entry point.
Google's Android as a platform is basically being propped up by fanboys. To date, no one else is supporting this platform.
Anyhow, I wonder how Google is managing to sell this at the same price as the Fire, with (I'm guessing here, obviously) more expensive hardware. Amazon already loses, what, $10-$15 per unit?
It's been several months since the Fire came out. In semiconductor time that is like a decade.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
Well at least it looks like Google just killed at least the Kindle Fire and BB Playbook. It has great hardware specs, but have to see about the experience after some reviews.
I'm sure they've got some updates in the pipeline as well. That said the Fire still is a dual processor chip. That isn't exactly a terrible performance option.
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Originally Posted by mausz
Then let the consumers decide...
I think it's a pretty sweet tablet for an excellent price. Together with all the content streaming services which were shown, the Nexus Q integration and the hardware itself, I consider myself a potential customer.
how can you not get one for that price? ordered mine.
These are tempting.
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Originally Posted by mstone
'Jelly Bean' ugh! What an awful name. It does have a lot of sophisticated features but the UI is horrible.
You prefer Apple's UI designs? You know, the ones with the stitching, torn paper, green felt, and reel to reel tapes?
At least Google actually know they're designing for a digital device.
Don't forget that in addition to Apple losing their mind and edge in software interfaces, they've pretty much stopped update a ton of software. When was the last time iMovie, iPhone, Pages, Numbers, etc all had updates?
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Originally Posted by zklausz
This looks pretty good actually. Even if you are a die-hard apple person these specs at these prices with tighter software integration can only be a good thing for everyone (consumers). Only $50 to double the capacity!? I hope your listening Apple. Not that apple hasn't done an amazing job with the iPad but it is nice to see the competition step it up. If nothing else maybe this will make Apple rethink it's outrageous price jumps for the higher capacity models. AND if apple is planning to release a 7" this price point may definitely make them rethink their price points. I mean a 3.5" 8gb iPod touch is the same price as this tablet. Which would you choose?
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Originally Posted by nagromme
Without matching the iPad’s great selection and fantastic quality of apps, it’s not very tempting. I’d prefer a pocketable iPod Touch in that case. But they’ve got to start (again?) somewhere.
I must say, though, Asus is really blatant about aping Samsung’s tablet styling!
Why would anyone choose the iPod touch at this stage? It hasn't been updated since 2010. Let me say that again, September of 2010 was the last time it was updated. Apple needs to get off it's tail and step it up. Google is updating their OS once a year and Apple owners are starting to sound like old farts who wonder why the world moves so fast.
If Jelly Bean is really smooth as they say (that was the main critic to android), it will objectively blow iOS6 out of the water. What single feature iOS has that this has not?
Asus quality has traditionally been top notch. I doubt that's going to change with this tablet.
You have a pretty low bar then. Their little white Apple wannabe netbooks that I saw quite a few folks turn into Hackintoshes were six month lifetime break-fests due to low quality fit and plastic.
Well at least it looks like Google just killed at least the Kindle Fire and BB Playbook. It has great hardware specs, but have to see about the experience after some reviews.
And Google just stuck a knife into Surface as well - even though it is not available for sale - not even with a date when - and offers little info on specs. How is MSFT going to handle this?
If Jelly Bean is really smooth as they say (that was the main critic to android), it will objectively blow iOS6 out of the water. What single feature iOS has that this has not?
Hardly the main one. Personally, I find widgets useless. Even MS learned that less with Vista. Next, trying to squeeze a desktop metaphor into a tablet or worse a phone, in my opinion, ranks up there with converging the PC and tablet and phone.
Android is incredibly fragmented and the vendors unreliable with respect to updating Android. Let's see how fast all the tablet models get updated. What is Asus' incentive of updated the transformers. It sold 80k units, so few that they were unwilling to fix the bad GPS. They issued dongles.
It goes without saying that tablet apps continue to be a failure. I would *never* use a banking app on Android. In my opinion, it is too risky. Or to put it another way, is the risk of getting a compromised app worth the gain. Not to me.
Going back to how smooth it is, they say that each release and each release they still have to fix it. You willing to gamble on this now? I'm not.
Resale value. Nuff said.
I've said it before, I'm pretty hardcore. I'm a professional development and Android just doesn't appeal to me. Well, to be honest, it appeals to my hardcoredness, but my not my common sense. I'm busy and life is too short to futz around with these devices. I futz around with Windows because it adds to my bottom line. I get paid to write software and if the customers wants Windows, I tolerate Windows. But when it comes to my devices, that I use for me, I'd rather have something I can use, then pass down to my wife, then kids, etc.
Where are all of the idiot Fandroids whining about no Flash? I read that Jellybean won't have flash. If that's true, then where are the idiot Fandroids?
I guess that flash is no longer important, all of a sudden.
AFAIK Adobe has ended flash support for mobile devices. Maybe seek advice about your growing hatred for users of another OS.
GPU core identification has become meaningless. For all intents and purposes it just means it has 12 independent floating point stages, which is pretty pathetic when stated that way. They are still mostly linearly placed in hardware so it's not like you can get 12x parallelization over and above what a GPU already does.
Are you serious? What is the point then? Do you have any hyperlinks where I can read more?
A company that will support it in the future even after a newer model is released.
etc
etc
Ahah look at all the fancy words you are using instead of opening your eyes, ecosystem, synergy lol.
Ecocsystem? A google phone is synched and backup to your google account and everything can be access on any computer without a particular program.
An upgrade on regular basis? Android upgrades each year.
Future support? I own a Nexus S and after 2 versions it will also support this (but what about Siri on iPhone 4 mmm)
What about REAL stuff like :
NFC support
Offline dictation
Great maps and navigation
A better notification center than on iOS
A voice search that actually answers your questions with a very good simulated voice
It's been several months since the Fire came out. In semiconductor time that is like a decade.
I'm sure they've got some updates in the pipeline as well. That said the Fire still is a dual processor chip. That isn't exactly a terrible performance option.
These are tempting.
Don't forget that in addition to Apple losing their mind and edge in software interfaces, they've pretty much stopped update a ton of software. When was the last time iMovie, iPhone, Pages, Numbers, etc all had updates?
Why would anyone choose the iPod touch at this stage? It hasn't been updated since 2010. Let me say that again, September of 2010 was the last time it was updated. Apple needs to get off it's tail and step it up. Google is updating their OS once a year and Apple owners are starting to sound like old farts who wonder why the world moves so fast.
You keep using that same iPod Touch argument in iPhone and iPad threads, why? The point is broken when you talk about anything other than the Touch itself.
How often is iOS updated? Oh, about the same once a year? Wow, did you even think about that before you posted?
But wait, have these competitors given up on trying to match the new iPads resolution of 2015x1536? All these non retina android tablets don't seem very compelling to me.
Yep, they're clearly not even trying. Nobody is going to spend $499 to get an Android tablet. Cut the screen in half, quarter the resolution, name the software releases after candies and deserts, and suddenly... No, it's still not compelling, but it's enough cheaper that some people will buy it anyways. Amusingly, they're not the ones actually buying apps or putting money into an ecosystem - and aren't even desirable for advertisers, based on Google's own Android vs. iOS results. Cream of the crop customers.
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX
...What single feature iOS has that this has not?
A real and usable ecosystem
Synergy between platforms.
An upgrade path for the OS on a REGULAR basis.
A company that will support it in the future even after a newer model is released.
etc
etc
Likewise, what does Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have that iOS 6 Sundance doesn't have? There really is quite a bit of feature parity at this point. The difference between the two operating systems is weighing the value of customization versus the value of an ecosystem, power efficiency, privacy and security as well as software updates.
I should add that customization for Apple iPhone isn't as bad as Android pundits would have you believe. Similarly, Google Play (the ecosystem) isn't as bad as Apple pundits would have you believe. As far as power efficiency and software updates there are a few Android-based smartphones that are competitive with the iPhone the only problem for the average consumer is knowing which.
Privacy and Security are concerns for both platforms with Apple having a massive advantage. With the Privacy Settings in iOS 6, Apple has shown their allegiance to customers rather than developers in regards to privacy and security.
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Originally Posted by Eternal Emperor
12 core graphics? Are those specs correct? Regardless, again it has too little storage and NFC instead of 3g is bad comedy.
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded
Wow, 12-core GPU. Not that it's gonna prevent the Garbage Collection form stalling your game or anything...
GPU core identification has become meaningless. For all intents and purposes it just means it has 12 independent floating point stages, which is pretty pathetic when stated that way. They are still mostly linearly placed in hardware so it's not like you can get 12x parallelization over and above what a GPU already does.
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
Why would you expect anything different this time around?
That should be, in a general sense, Google's hardware mantra!
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Likewise, what does Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have that iOS 6 Sundance doesn't have? There really is quite a bit of feature parity at this point. The difference between the two operating systems is weighing the value of customization versus the value of an ecosystem, power efficiency, privacy and security as well as software updates.
So understated it hurts.....
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Originally Posted by zklausz
I mean a 3.5" 8gb iPod touch is the same price as this tablet. Which would you choose?
Well, I get your point, but it would depend on your App investment.
That being said, this looks like a solid offering. Wouldn't surprise me if the iPod touch merges with the rumored 7" iPad.
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin
All the fanatics went out and bought Android 3.x tablets as well and came on these boards and proclaimed that Apple and the iPad would be a niche device by the end of the year. How did that work out?
Sorry, I don't see Android tablets taking off ever. Android is largely seen by consumers as a mobile phone OS. Actually, I'll go one step further than that, a large majority of people who buy Android based phones are just buying phones, they don't care about the OS and probably never will. Android is not "winning" some OS war, it's merely a default on crappy phones that disinterested consumers purchase as a low entry point.
Google's Android as a platform is basically being propped up by fanboys. To date, no one else is supporting this platform.
Truer words have not been spoken.
Thwack!!
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Originally Posted by mstone
'Jelly Bean' ugh! What an awful name. It does have a lot of sophisticated features but the UI is horrible.
Not as bad as the next version... Krapsicle.
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Originally Posted by AaronJ
Anyhow, I wonder how Google is managing to sell this at the same price as the Fire, with (I'm guessing here, obviously) more expensive hardware. Amazon already loses, what, $10-$15 per unit?
It's been several months since the Fire came out. In semiconductor time that is like a decade.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
Well at least it looks like Google just killed at least the Kindle Fire and BB Playbook. It has great hardware specs, but have to see about the experience after some reviews.
I'm sure they've got some updates in the pipeline as well. That said the Fire still is a dual processor chip. That isn't exactly a terrible performance option.
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Originally Posted by screamingfist
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Originally Posted by mausz
Then let the consumers decide...
I think it's a pretty sweet tablet for an excellent price. Together with all the content streaming services which were shown, the Nexus Q integration and the hardware itself, I consider myself a potential customer.
how can you not get one for that price? ordered mine.
These are tempting.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu
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Originally Posted by mstone
'Jelly Bean' ugh! What an awful name. It does have a lot of sophisticated features but the UI is horrible.
You prefer Apple's UI designs? You know, the ones with the stitching, torn paper, green felt, and reel to reel tapes?
At least Google actually know they're designing for a digital device.
Don't forget that in addition to Apple losing their mind and edge in software interfaces, they've pretty much stopped update a ton of software. When was the last time iMovie, iPhone, Pages, Numbers, etc all had updates?
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Originally Posted by zklausz
This looks pretty good actually. Even if you are a die-hard apple person these specs at these prices with tighter software integration can only be a good thing for everyone (consumers). Only $50 to double the capacity!? I hope your listening Apple. Not that apple hasn't done an amazing job with the iPad but it is nice to see the competition step it up. If nothing else maybe this will make Apple rethink it's outrageous price jumps for the higher capacity models. AND if apple is planning to release a 7" this price point may definitely make them rethink their price points. I mean a 3.5" 8gb iPod touch is the same price as this tablet. Which would you choose?
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Originally Posted by nagromme
Without matching the iPad’s great selection and fantastic quality of apps, it’s not very tempting. I’d prefer a pocketable iPod Touch in that case. But they’ve got to start (again?) somewhere.
I must say, though, Asus is really blatant about aping Samsung’s tablet styling!
Why would anyone choose the iPod touch at this stage? It hasn't been updated since 2010. Let me say that again, September of 2010 was the last time it was updated. Apple needs to get off it's tail and step it up. Google is updating their OS once a year and Apple owners are starting to sound like old farts who wonder why the world moves so fast.
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX
If Jelly Bean is really smooth as they say (that was the main critic to android), it will objectively blow iOS6 out of the water. What single feature iOS has that this has not?
People actually want it.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Asus quality has traditionally been top notch. I doubt that's going to change with this tablet.
You have a pretty low bar then. Their little white Apple wannabe netbooks that I saw quite a few folks turn into Hackintoshes were six month lifetime break-fests due to low quality fit and plastic.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
Well at least it looks like Google just killed at least the Kindle Fire and BB Playbook. It has great hardware specs, but have to see about the experience after some reviews.
And Google just stuck a knife into Surface as well - even though it is not available for sale - not even with a date when - and offers little info on specs. How is MSFT going to handle this?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
... idiot Fandroids whining ..... the idiot Fandroids?
Hmmm... is there a redundancy there......
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX
If Jelly Bean is really smooth as they say (that was the main critic to android), it will objectively blow iOS6 out of the water. What single feature iOS has that this has not?
Hardly the main one. Personally, I find widgets useless. Even MS learned that less with Vista. Next, trying to squeeze a desktop metaphor into a tablet or worse a phone, in my opinion, ranks up there with converging the PC and tablet and phone.
Android is incredibly fragmented and the vendors unreliable with respect to updating Android. Let's see how fast all the tablet models get updated. What is Asus' incentive of updated the transformers. It sold 80k units, so few that they were unwilling to fix the bad GPS. They issued dongles.
It goes without saying that tablet apps continue to be a failure. I would *never* use a banking app on Android. In my opinion, it is too risky. Or to put it another way, is the risk of getting a compromised app worth the gain. Not to me.
Going back to how smooth it is, they say that each release and each release they still have to fix it. You willing to gamble on this now? I'm not.
Resale value. Nuff said.
I've said it before, I'm pretty hardcore. I'm a professional development and Android just doesn't appeal to me. Well, to be honest, it appeals to my hardcoredness, but my not my common sense. I'm busy and life is too short to futz around with these devices. I futz around with Windows because it adds to my bottom line. I get paid to write software and if the customers wants Windows, I tolerate Windows. But when it comes to my devices, that I use for me, I'd rather have something I can use, then pass down to my wife, then kids, etc.
That simply isn't Android, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Where are all of the idiot Fandroids whining about no Flash? I read that Jellybean won't have flash. If that's true, then where are the idiot Fandroids?
I guess that flash is no longer important, all of a sudden.
AFAIK Adobe has ended flash support for mobile devices. Maybe seek advice about your growing hatred for users of another OS.
Are you serious? What is the point then? Do you have any hyperlinks where I can read more?
Ahah look at all the fancy words you are using instead of opening your eyes, ecosystem, synergy lol.
Ecocsystem? A google phone is synched and backup to your google account and everything can be access on any computer without a particular program.
An upgrade on regular basis? Android upgrades each year.
Future support? I own a Nexus S and after 2 versions it will also support this (but what about Siri on iPhone 4 mmm)
What about REAL stuff like :
NFC support
Offline dictation
Great maps and navigation
A better notification center than on iOS
A voice search that actually answers your questions with a very good simulated voice
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Originally Posted by trumptman
It's been several months since the Fire came out. In semiconductor time that is like a decade.
I'm sure they've got some updates in the pipeline as well. That said the Fire still is a dual processor chip. That isn't exactly a terrible performance option.
These are tempting.
Don't forget that in addition to Apple losing their mind and edge in software interfaces, they've pretty much stopped update a ton of software. When was the last time iMovie, iPhone, Pages, Numbers, etc all had updates?
Why would anyone choose the iPod touch at this stage? It hasn't been updated since 2010. Let me say that again, September of 2010 was the last time it was updated. Apple needs to get off it's tail and step it up. Google is updating their OS once a year and Apple owners are starting to sound like old farts who wonder why the world moves so fast.
You keep using that same iPod Touch argument in iPhone and iPad threads, why? The point is broken when you talk about anything other than the Touch itself.
How often is iOS updated? Oh, about the same once a year? Wow, did you even think about that before you posted?
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Originally Posted by zindako
But wait, have these competitors given up on trying to match the new iPads resolution of 2015x1536? All these non retina android tablets don't seem very compelling to me.
Yep, they're clearly not even trying. Nobody is going to spend $499 to get an Android tablet. Cut the screen in half, quarter the resolution, name the software releases after candies and deserts, and suddenly... No, it's still not compelling, but it's enough cheaper that some people will buy it anyways. Amusingly, they're not the ones actually buying apps or putting money into an ecosystem - and aren't even desirable for advertisers, based on Google's own Android vs. iOS results. Cream of the crop customers.