I did not have any intention to insult any of the members of the website or forum.
Good, then.
I myself currently own or have owned almost every Apple product going back 7 years
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It was frustrating to see other members bash the success of another phone, let alone the company that makes parts for Apple and the iPhone. The S3 has done very well for Samsung thus far, and although their "sales figures" may not be entirely accurate let them take some credit for finally developing a competitive device to the iPhone.
I don't really see the point of praising a company that got where it is through illegal, immoral, and unethical business actions, despite what else it does for Apple.
Imagine if Samsung shipped 6 million phones in a quarter to warehouses and stores... and ZERO people bought them.
Would they ship another 6 million phones the next quarter?
In short... people are buying Samsung phones.
I've never heard of a boatload of Samsung phones going back to Korea... especially not a flagship phone like the GSIII
Phones SOLD as part of a two-for-one are still SOLD...
What is your definition of a legitimate sale? Full retail price only? I got news for ya... EVERYTHING gets discounted eventually. TVs, cars, all sorts of stuff.
Again... Samsung phones aren't being sent back to Korea because no one is buying them.
don't you understand that Apple fanatics only think that Apple is the only company that tell the truth while the other are just cheaters? They just cannot take it that the galaxy S3 is successful and actually way superior than the iphone 4s
Even if they are just shipped there is only so much you can stuff in the channel and there is plenty of evidence to support the Galaxy S III is selling very well, so even without Apple's extreme turnover I would imagine the sales to end users to still be very high and well over 6 millions units when this was reported.
Samsung reports sales/revenue following the same general accounting practices as Apple does. The words are a bit different but the basis is the same. If the product has not been paid for (or arrangements made to do so) and product title has not changed hands then Samsung doesn't report the sale. Just as with Apple, as a rule shipped=sold. If money and title changed hands it's a sale. If the product shipped with no expectation of being paid then it's not.
I can't imagine any large company builds an electronic product, expending capital, then makes it a regular practice to send it off to someone else hoping one day to get paid for it. That's non-sensical, and certainly won't earn billions in profits.
Can you provide us a cite, or cut and paste an example from Samsung's audited financials?
Imagine if Samsung shipped 6 million phones in a quarter to warehouses and stores... and ZERO people bought them.
Would they ship another 6 million phones the next quarter?
In short... people are buying Samsung phones.
I've never heard of a boatload of Samsung phones going back to Korea... especially not a flagship phone like the GSIII
Phones SOLD as part of a two-for-one are still SOLD...
What is your definition of a legitimate sale? Full retail price only? I got news for ya... EVERYTHING gets discounted eventually. TVs, cars, all sorts of stuff.
Again... Samsung phones aren't being sent back to Korea because no one is buying them.
Uh uh... you may need to figure out what "revenue recognition" means.
I keep asking but you guys never seem to provide specific cites from the company. I truly would love to see their numbers. Mind you, I am not saying at all that there is zer probability that they could be selling as much -- it's just that I am skeptical, since I've never seen audited numbers. The fact that they're not providing it suggests to me that they are hiding something. Please prove me wrong. Seriously. I don't mind.
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
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None at all. It's used solely as an insult.
Hmmm...someone apparently needs to spread the memo to the other moderators.
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Originally Posted by melgross
This isn't always a sharp line in the sand. Since the term "fanboy" is so widely used, the mere usage isn't enough to cause a problem. We all use it from time to time. Same thing with the word "troll". But if it's used with other seriously depreciating comments, it's different.
We tend to have lively discussions here, though we don't allow what we often have seen on Slashdot, and some other sites.
I don't really see the point of praising a company that got where it is through illegal, immoral, and unethical business actions, despite what else it does for Apple.
Let he is without sin cast the first stone. Apple has done some pretty terrible things over the years. No-one was ever successful in business by being nice.
Today, my hair stylist said she looked into getting a new smartphone this past weekend. She's not very tech savvy and felt her Verizon iPhone 4 was too complex and daunting for her. She tries to limit her internet usage as much as possible. So she went into her local Verizon store and they recommended she buy an Android phone which was planning to do. So yeah, I think Android phones, in general, are selling well but I doubt they are selling many to people that really want them. I figure the Galaxy S III is probably the same boat as carrier stores push the latest Android phone and try to completely ignore any talk of the iPhone.
Wow, we have a data point, so the estimates of millions sold must be true!
Let he is without sin cast the first stone. Apple has done some pretty terrible things over the years. No-one was ever successful in business by being nice.
Mhmm. Samsung should certainly get away with what they've done. Yep.
Today, my hair stylist said she looked into getting a new smartphone this past weekend. She's not very tech savvy and felt her Verizon iPhone 4 was too complex and daunting for her. She tries to limit her internet usage as much as possible. So she went into her local Verizon store and they recommended she buy an Android phone which was planning to do. So yeah, I think Android phones, in general, are selling well but I doubt they are selling many to people that really want them. I figure the Galaxy S III is probably the same boat as carrier stores push the latest Android phone and try to completely ignore any talk of the iPhone.
You actually believe people are buying the SIII and do not want it? that somehow the carriers can convince someone, with ease, to drop $249 on a phone? Wow.
Mhmm. Samsung should certainly get away with what they've done. Yep.
Well, they are winning lawsuits all over the world against Apple. Samsung has defended more lawsuits from Apple than Apple has won against them so apparently judges, far smarter than you, feel differently. Apple can only regurgitate so long, Apples motivation and design smarts died with Steve-o, Samsung and other manufactures are leaving them in the dust. Apple will be able to ride the Steve-o wave but not forever and Androids market share shows it.
You actually believe people are buying the SIII and do not want it? that somehow the carriers can convince someone, with ease, to drop $249 on a phone? Wow.
You'll find several on this site that wear Apple-tinted glasses
Anecdotal and speculative but that's all we ever really get. especially if we aren't going to believe any legal documents from companies about sales. This article from a just a few weeks shows that Samsung is selling the Galaxy S II well in the US, even beating out popular iPhone models. This article states that the Samsung S III the most popular smartphone in the UK, at least out of the gate. Considering it's the successor to the S II, looks like a solid device, has had several weeks of sales in about 30 countries that all seems like enough to state that 6 million units sold is very likely. I guess there could be global conspiracy at work but I think it would just be easier to sell 6 million phones.
The 6th generation iPhone right around the corner? That'll be roughly 4 months until that happens, I wouldn't necessarily say it is right around the corner. Since this is also a planned major refresh I'm sure it will be in high demand and short supply as it typically is.
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
Time line more like 3 months till announcement. In the world of 10Qs, that's 'right around the corner' (next reporting period).
terminology: Please refer to us as "Consumer Technology Cognoscenti" (works both in singular and plural;-)
How odd. That's, like, so weird, right? I mean, my gawsh.
My comment was more of a "matter of fact" statement, and not meant to be confrontational. I take many of the comments made on this site with a grain of salt as a result.
You actually believe people are buying the SIII and do not want it? that somehow the carriers can convince someone, with ease, to drop $249 on a phone? Wow.
Yes, I do. Pretty much everyone I know with Android phones were talked into them by someone at a carrier store or kiosk. None of them are rooting them. The feelings in comparing it to the iPhone are mixed. Some are smart enough to know they were duped while others have sour grape responses about how they can do this or that, but when I ask them to show me this or that it turns out that it's too hard or they only heard/read about it's possible. Fact is, the only people I know with Android phones that have rooted them or code from them are developers who use an iPhone (and one a Lumia 900) as their everyday phone.
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Good, then.
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I don't really see the point of praising a company that got where it is through illegal, immoral, and unethical business actions, despite what else it does for Apple.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
That only works for so long.
Imagine if Samsung shipped 6 million phones in a quarter to warehouses and stores... and ZERO people bought them.
Would they ship another 6 million phones the next quarter?
In short... people are buying Samsung phones.
I've never heard of a boatload of Samsung phones going back to Korea... especially not a flagship phone like the GSIII
Phones SOLD as part of a two-for-one are still SOLD...
What is your definition of a legitimate sale? Full retail price only? I got news for ya... EVERYTHING gets discounted eventually. TVs, cars, all sorts of stuff.
Again... Samsung phones aren't being sent back to Korea because no one is buying them.
don't you understand that Apple fanatics only think that Apple is the only company that tell the truth while the other are just cheaters? They just cannot take it that the galaxy S3 is successful and actually way superior than the iphone 4s
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Even if they are just shipped there is only so much you can stuff in the channel and there is plenty of evidence to support the Galaxy S III is selling very well, so even without Apple's extreme turnover I would imagine the sales to end users to still be very high and well over 6 millions units when this was reported.
What evidence?
I'm saying that your statement are ours to refute. Post some examples.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Samsung reports sales/revenue following the same general accounting practices as Apple does. The words are a bit different but the basis is the same. If the product has not been paid for (or arrangements made to do so) and product title has not changed hands then Samsung doesn't report the sale. Just as with Apple, as a rule shipped=sold. If money and title changed hands it's a sale. If the product shipped with no expectation of being paid then it's not.
I can't imagine any large company builds an electronic product, expending capital, then makes it a regular practice to send it off to someone else hoping one day to get paid for it. That's non-sensical, and certainly won't earn billions in profits.
Can you provide us a cite, or cut and paste an example from Samsung's audited financials?
Why are people on here so threatened by Samsung's success? There's room for at least two big boys at the table.
Not everyone wants an iPhone. Be happy that they get what they want.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
That only works for so long.
Imagine if Samsung shipped 6 million phones in a quarter to warehouses and stores... and ZERO people bought them.
Would they ship another 6 million phones the next quarter?
In short... people are buying Samsung phones.
I've never heard of a boatload of Samsung phones going back to Korea... especially not a flagship phone like the GSIII
Phones SOLD as part of a two-for-one are still SOLD...
What is your definition of a legitimate sale? Full retail price only? I got news for ya... EVERYTHING gets discounted eventually. TVs, cars, all sorts of stuff.
Again... Samsung phones aren't being sent back to Korea because no one is buying them.
Uh uh... you may need to figure out what "revenue recognition" means.
I keep asking but you guys never seem to provide specific cites from the company. I truly would love to see their numbers. Mind you, I am not saying at all that there is zer probability that they could be selling as much -- it's just that I am skeptical, since I've never seen audited numbers. The fact that they're not providing it suggests to me that they are hiding something. Please prove me wrong. Seriously. I don't mind.
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Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
None at all. It's used solely as an insult.
Hmmm...someone apparently needs to spread the memo to the other moderators.
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Originally Posted by melgross
This isn't always a sharp line in the sand. Since the term "fanboy" is so widely used, the mere usage isn't enough to cause a problem. We all use it from time to time. Same thing with the word "troll". But if it's used with other seriously depreciating comments, it's different.
We tend to have lively discussions here, though we don't allow what we often have seen on Slashdot, and some other sites.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I don't really see the point of praising a company that got where it is through illegal, immoral, and unethical business actions, despite what else it does for Apple.
Let he is without sin cast the first stone. Apple has done some pretty terrible things over the years. No-one was ever successful in business by being nice.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Today, my hair stylist said she looked into getting a new smartphone this past weekend. She's not very tech savvy and felt her Verizon iPhone 4 was too complex and daunting for her. She tries to limit her internet usage as much as possible. So she went into her local Verizon store and they recommended she buy an Android phone which was planning to do. So yeah, I think Android phones, in general, are selling well but I doubt they are selling many to people that really want them. I figure the Galaxy S III is probably the same boat as carrier stores push the latest Android phone and try to completely ignore any talk of the iPhone.
Wow, we have a data point, so the estimates of millions sold must be true!
Hallelujah!!!
Mhmm. Samsung should certainly get away with what they've done. Yep.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Today, my hair stylist said she looked into getting a new smartphone this past weekend. She's not very tech savvy and felt her Verizon iPhone 4 was too complex and daunting for her. She tries to limit her internet usage as much as possible. So she went into her local Verizon store and they recommended she buy an Android phone which was planning to do. So yeah, I think Android phones, in general, are selling well but I doubt they are selling many to people that really want them. I figure the Galaxy S III is probably the same boat as carrier stores push the latest Android phone and try to completely ignore any talk of the iPhone.
You actually believe people are buying the SIII and do not want it? that somehow the carriers can convince someone, with ease, to drop $249 on a phone? Wow.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Mhmm. Samsung should certainly get away with what they've done. Yep.
Well, they are winning lawsuits all over the world against Apple. Samsung has defended more lawsuits from Apple than Apple has won against them so apparently judges, far smarter than you, feel differently. Apple can only regurgitate so long, Apples motivation and design smarts died with Steve-o, Samsung and other manufactures are leaving them in the dust. Apple will be able to ride the Steve-o wave but not forever and Androids market share shows it.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
You actually believe people are buying the SIII and do not want it? that somehow the carriers can convince someone, with ease, to drop $249 on a phone? Wow.
You'll find several on this site that wear Apple-tinted glasses
I find it funny that you think you can say that seriously or objectively.
How odd. That's, like, so weird, right? I mean, my gawsh.
Anecdotal and speculative but that's all we ever really get. especially if we aren't going to believe any legal documents from companies about sales. This article from a just a few weeks shows that Samsung is selling the Galaxy S II well in the US, even beating out popular iPhone models. This article states that the Samsung S III the most popular smartphone in the UK, at least out of the gate. Considering it's the successor to the S II, looks like a solid device, has had several weeks of sales in about 30 countries that all seems like enough to state that 6 million units sold is very likely. I guess there could be global conspiracy at work but I think it would just be easier to sell 6 million phones.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob
The 6th generation iPhone right around the corner? That'll be roughly 4 months until that happens, I wouldn't necessarily say it is right around the corner. Since this is also a planned major refresh I'm sure it will be in high demand and short supply as it typically is.
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
Time line more like 3 months till announcement. In the world of 10Qs, that's 'right around the corner' (next reporting period).
terminology: Please refer to us as "Consumer Technology Cognoscenti" (works both in singular and plural;-)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
How odd. That's, like, so weird, right? I mean, my gawsh.
My comment was more of a "matter of fact" statement, and not meant to be confrontational. I take many of the comments made on this site with a grain of salt as a result.
I wonder what conditions are like in the factories in Vietnam where these are made?
Yes, I do. Pretty much everyone I know with Android phones were talked into them by someone at a carrier store or kiosk. None of them are rooting them. The feelings in comparing it to the iPhone are mixed. Some are smart enough to know they were duped while others have sour grape responses about how they can do this or that, but when I ask them to show me this or that it turns out that it's too hard or they only heard/read about it's possible. Fact is, the only people I know with Android phones that have rooted them or code from them are developers who use an iPhone (and one a Lumia 900) as their everyday phone.