I think he was referring more to the convictions for price fixing of LCD panels, the ex-CEO being involved in bribery which was overturned by his mates in government, the 120 or so Samsung factory workers dying of Leukemia and other cancers who aren't being paid any compensation because Samsung got the laws changed.
Those lawsuits Samsung is "winning"?
So 2 of the 3 lawsuits you mention, Samsung came out on top. So yes, they are winning.
PS, take your tin foil hat off. Changing laws and friends In government, love the conspiracy.
Since Samsung stated that 6.5 million "shipped", one could assume that the other 2.5 million have simply not shipped yet. Considering that the SIII is just now finally rolling out to many of the US carriers, this does not seem like an outrageous assumption.
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Originally Posted by odyssey3001
Two months ago we were told that there were 9 million pre-orders:
By the carriers not actual people. This phone is a great phone and is selling a lot and will sell even more. People enjoy SGS III what does that have to do with you liking your iphone?
I think he was referring more to the convictions for price fixing of LCD panels, the ex-CEO being involved in bribery which was overturned by his mates in government, the 120 or so Samsung factory workers dying of Leukemia and other cancers who aren't being paid any compensation because Samsung got the laws changed.
Those lawsuits Samsung is "winning"?
I'm sure he was Let us just hope that Apple fares as equally well in their E-book price fixing investigation, their ex-Sales Manager money laundering/wire fraud lawsuit, and Chinese labor investigations. Oh wait....Paul Shin Devine was already convicted guilty and sentenced. Well, hopefully 2 out of 3 won't be bad.
Samsung is going to get a serious butt-hurt when the next iPhone arrives especially with the price drops of the iPhone 4 (likely $0 on contract) and iPhone 4S. Apple will definitely move 40 million new model iPhones by the end of the year. With China on board, the sky's the limit. I'm definitely pumping fanboi cockiness with a capital "C". Time to crow...
If the iphone is nothing more than stretched out to 3.99", I wouldn't be too cocky.
The sheer number of Android phone threads started on Macrumors (something I have never seen before in all of Macrumors existence) is enough anecdotal evidence to show that the Apple fanbase is getting tired of the same old iphone and OS. I also think we are going to see more negative than positive reviews of this new iphone IF it doesn't show a significant departure from previous models.
So 2 of the 3 lawsuits you mention, Samsung came out on top. So yes, they are winning
So it's the number you win, not what you win from them? By your logic companies should sell more units of something even if means selling it with a negative margin. Brilliant¡
I love your math. You say Apple shipped 35.1M iphones vs Samsung's 6.5M S3.
Do you see any problem with this statement? If not, let me point out that 35.1M iPhone 4S's did not ship. If you want to lump all iphone shipments together, than you must lump all Samsung phones together, in which case Samsung is killing the iPhone. Not to mention the S3 was only available for less than half the quarter. Iphone shipments include the 3gs, iphone 4 AND iphone 4S.
This is like comparing all Android sales to iphone sales. Stupid logic to justify your loyalty to a particular OS or company. Of course the Android OS has more phones in circulation, because there are several companies making several phones running the OS compared to just Apple producing 3 phones.
As for the S3 sales, most of that 6.5M sales were pre-orders. Not to mention a week delay in Canada and a couple of days delay in shipping pre-orders to US customers, simply because Samsung could not produce enough phones! Kind of tough to say people were forced into buying these phones.
Ahh, but don't let me stop all you guys from whining and trying to defend Apple's iphone. It's enjoyable reading.
You have to love GoogleGuy math.
Let's assume that the iPhone sales were evenly divided between 3S, 4 and 4S. That means nearly 12 M of each - so each of them outsold the Galaxy SIII by two to one. Of course, it wasn't evenly split and the 4S outsold the other two by a large margin, so the difference between the 4S and the SIII was even greater.
Let's put it into perspective. The iPhone 4S sold 4 M units in its first weekend - and virtually every one ended up in customers' hands since they were in short supply. The SIII sold 6.5 M units in the first 2 months - and some of those (I don't know how large or small the number is) were in the channel.
Now, considering that the SIII has such a large screen and a quad core processor as well as being open and all the fandroids are so eager to point out that those are life and death features that no phone could possilby do without, how do you explain those figures?
So it's the number you win, not what you win from them? By your logic companies should sell more units of something even if means selling it with a negative margin. Brilliant¡
Ahh so Samsungs record profits last quarter means a negative margin? Do you actually read what you write? Brilliant.
Anecdotal and speculative but that's all we ever really get. especially if we aren't going to believe any legal documents from companies about sales. This article from a just a few weeks shows that Samsung is selling the Galaxy S II well in the US, even beating out popular iPhone models. This article states that the Samsung S III the most popular smartphone in the UK, at least out of the gate. Considering it's the successor to the S II, looks like a solid device, has had several weeks of sales in about 30 countries that all seems like enough to state that 6 million units sold is very likely. I guess there could be global conspiracy at work but I think it would just be easier to sell 6 million phones.
What "....legal documents from companies..."? Are you referring to third party companies, or Samsung?
I'll happily believe Samsung's legal documents. If you don't have any to link to, don't even bother.
C'mon, SolipsismX, you are really way better than that, and you know that.
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
1. I'm an Apple fan but I'm not a boy
2. I have a name for people who use the term "fanboy".
3. I've been told by others that by calling people names you lose the argument. For the most part I think that's bullshit but I'll make an exception in your case.
Please don't be so laughably and patently silly. You really do not expect anyone to click on that link, do you? Where in the 62 pages do they show audited numbers for handset shipments (leave alone sales)?
Samsung does not report sold numbers in there quarterly filings or ever. They will only report shipped numbers.
So pretty much these numbers are bs. Im sure they actually sold a bunch but not near the numbers there reporting here. Eventually if they sit in the warehouse long enough they will be sold on two for one sales and free giveaways and samsung will count those as legitimate sales which there not.
The only company in the industry who gives actual sales numbers is Apple. They never report shipped it is always "sold" numbers.
Lol samsung counts any phone sold after it leaves there hands no matter where it goes (to a warehouse shelf or retailer).
That is such a lame argument which gets trotted out all the time on here.
What do you think these retailers/distributors are doing with the phones? They ain't shoving up their ass. They're not on sale or return. The retailers/distributors are selling them on to customers otherwise they wouldn't keep buying them. Phone retailers don't keep piles and piles of stock - they buy them and sell them - then buy some more and sell them.
However... the comment I was replying to was claiming that Samsung's products just sit in a warehouse... and they only get purchased by consumers after the price gets slashed.
That was what I was referring to.
There is this huge debate of "shipped vs sold" on these forums... and I don't know why.
Samsung has been selling mobile phones for decades... don't you think they know how many to produce to not have a bunch of stock leftover?
Factories make the phones... carriers have the phones in their stores... and customers take them home. I'm sick of the ignorance of people who say products are hung up somewhere in those first 2 stages...
Carrier stores have such limited stock in the first place... I can't imagine a store would still have any Q1 stock hanging around today. For the more popular phones... carrier stores don't have any in stock. You must order them. In that case... your new phone skips the carrier store inventory altogether and goes straight to your home.
I agree with you... I would love to have some more solid data about Samsung's numbers. But at the same time... Samsung keeps producing phones every quarter so someone must be buying them, right? Why would Samsung put more products into the channel if the previous supply hasn't moved? Why would any company?
We haven't heard about millions of phones shipped back to Samsung to be ground up and recycled... have we?
Blah blah blah. You, GG, and others keep making these claims about Samsung that Samsung itself, for some strange(!) reason, doesn't back up.
Give up guys. Go somewhere else -- the other tech forums, for instance -- where you can bullis**t your way through basic stuff like this.
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So 2 of the 3 lawsuits you mention, Samsung came out on top. So yes, they are winning.
PS, take your tin foil hat off. Changing laws and friends In government, love the conspiracy.
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Originally Posted by e_veritas
Since Samsung stated that 6.5 million "shipped", one could assume that the other 2.5 million have simply not shipped yet. Considering that the SIII is just now finally rolling out to many of the US carriers, this does not seem like an outrageous assumption.
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Originally Posted by odyssey3001
Two months ago we were told that there were 9 million pre-orders:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/18/3028051/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-9-million-pre-orders
What happened to the remaining 2.5 million units?
By the carriers not actual people. This phone is a great phone and is selling a lot and will sell even more. People enjoy SGS III what does that have to do with you liking your iphone?
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Originally Posted by hill60
I think he was referring more to the convictions for price fixing of LCD panels, the ex-CEO being involved in bribery which was overturned by his mates in government, the 120 or so Samsung factory workers dying of Leukemia and other cancers who aren't being paid any compensation because Samsung got the laws changed.
Those lawsuits Samsung is "winning"?
I'm sure he was
The sheer number of Android phone threads started on Macrumors (something I have never seen before in all of Macrumors existence) is enough anecdotal evidence to show that the Apple fanbase is getting tired of the same old iphone and OS. I also think we are going to see more negative than positive reviews of this new iphone IF it doesn't show a significant departure from previous models.
So it's the number you win, not what you win from them? By your logic companies should sell more units of something even if means selling it with a negative margin. Brilliant¡
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
PS, take your tin foil hat off. Changing laws and friends In government, love the conspiracy.
http://stopsamsung.wordpress.com/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aH3aDwXXnvqc&refer=home
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/13/samsung-corruption-investigation-face-markets-cx_jc_1113autofacescan01.html
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Originally Posted by RichL
Why are people on here so threatened by Samsung's success? There's room for at least two big boys at the table.
Not everyone wants an iPhone. Be happy that they get what they want.
For one thing, Apple's loss is our loss in many cases. There are a lot of AAPL stockholders here, in case you haven't noticed.
You have to love GoogleGuy math.
Let's assume that the iPhone sales were evenly divided between 3S, 4 and 4S. That means nearly 12 M of each - so each of them outsold the Galaxy SIII by two to one. Of course, it wasn't evenly split and the 4S outsold the other two by a large margin, so the difference between the 4S and the SIII was even greater.
Let's put it into perspective. The iPhone 4S sold 4 M units in its first weekend - and virtually every one ended up in customers' hands since they were in short supply. The SIII sold 6.5 M units in the first 2 months - and some of those (I don't know how large or small the number is) were in the channel.
Now, considering that the SIII has such a large screen and a quad core processor as well as being open and all the fandroids are so eager to point out that those are life and death features that no phone could possilby do without, how do you explain those figures?
Why do you fanbois feel so threatened by these numbers?
Wouldn't it be better if your beloved iPhone sold less? After all, what good is a status symbol of the majority has one?
How can you expect to be cool hipsters if everybody possesses the same gadgets as you?
We need a new policy here. I will NOT see this place become MacRumors.
Ahh so Samsungs record profits last quarter means a negative margin? Do you actually read what you write? Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Anecdotal and speculative but that's all we ever really get. especially if we aren't going to believe any legal documents from companies about sales. This article from a just a few weeks shows that Samsung is selling the Galaxy S II well in the US, even beating out popular iPhone models. This article states that the Samsung S III the most popular smartphone in the UK, at least out of the gate. Considering it's the successor to the S II, looks like a solid device, has had several weeks of sales in about 30 countries that all seems like enough to state that 6 million units sold is very likely. I guess there could be global conspiracy at work but I think it would just be easier to sell 6 million phones.
What "....legal documents from companies..."? Are you referring to third party companies, or Samsung?
I'll happily believe Samsung's legal documents. If you don't have any to link to, don't even bother.
C'mon, SolipsismX, you are really way better than that, and you know that.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob
Please enlighten me what terminology you use as opposed to "fanboy."
1. I'm an Apple fan but I'm not a boy
2. I have a name for people who use the term "fanboy".
3. I've been told by others that by calling people names you lose the argument. For the most part I think that's bullshit but I'll make an exception in your case.
I hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
We need a new policy here. I will NOT see this place become MacRumors.
Haha! You really do feel threatened, huh?
Here is the deleted post...
Why do you fanbois feel so threatened by these numbers?
Wouldn't it be better if your beloved iPhone sold less? After all, what good is a status symbol if the majority has one?
How can you expect to be cool hipsters if everybody possesses the same gadgets as you?
That's right, no opinions other than approved opinions.
Is there a "shakes head in disbelief at the nonsense spewed" emoticon?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
2.19 Revenue recognition
Revenue comprises the fair value of the consideration received or receivable for the sale of goods and
services in the ordinary course of the Company’s activities. Revenue is shown net of value-added tax,
returns, rebates and discounts and after eliminating sales within the Company.
The Company recognizes revenue when specific recognition criteria have been met for each of the
Company’s activities as described below....
(a) Sales of goods
Sales of products and merchandise are recognized upon delivery when the significant risks and rewards of
ownership of goods have transferred to the buyer, continuing managerial involvement usually associated
with ownership and effective control have ceased, the amount of revenue can be measured reliably, it is
probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the Company and the costs
incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably. The Company records
reductions to revenue for special pricing arrangements, price protection and other volume based discounts. If
product sales are subject to customer acceptance, revenue is not recognized until customer acceptance
occurs.
http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/financialinformation/auditedfinancialstatements/downloads/parent/2010_quarter04_note.pdf
Please don't be so laughably and patently silly. You really do not expect anyone to click on that link, do you? Where in the 62 pages do they show audited numbers for handset shipments (leave alone sales)?
I'll wait.
http://www.cultofmac.com/143684/35000-sign-petition-calling-for-apple-to-stop-worker-abuse-in-chinese-factories/
Just because apple does not own the company doesn't make them any less guilty. Apple is just as crappy as any other company.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
Samsung does not report sold numbers in there quarterly filings or ever. They will only report shipped numbers.
So pretty much these numbers are bs. Im sure they actually sold a bunch but not near the numbers there reporting here. Eventually if they sit in the warehouse long enough they will be sold on two for one sales and free giveaways and samsung will count those as legitimate sales which there not.
The only company in the industry who gives actual sales numbers is Apple. They never report shipped it is always "sold" numbers.
Lol samsung counts any phone sold after it leaves there hands no matter where it goes (to a warehouse shelf or retailer).
That is such a lame argument which gets trotted out all the time on here.
What do you think these retailers/distributors are doing with the phones? They ain't shoving up their ass. They're not on sale or return. The retailers/distributors are selling them on to customers otherwise they wouldn't keep buying them. Phone retailers don't keep piles and piles of stock - they buy them and sell them - then buy some more and sell them.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
I know what "revenue recognition" means.
However... the comment I was replying to was claiming that Samsung's products just sit in a warehouse... and they only get purchased by consumers after the price gets slashed.
That was what I was referring to.
There is this huge debate of "shipped vs sold" on these forums... and I don't know why.
Samsung has been selling mobile phones for decades... don't you think they know how many to produce to not have a bunch of stock leftover?
Factories make the phones... carriers have the phones in their stores... and customers take them home. I'm sick of the ignorance of people who say products are hung up somewhere in those first 2 stages...
Carrier stores have such limited stock in the first place... I can't imagine a store would still have any Q1 stock hanging around today. For the more popular phones... carrier stores don't have any in stock. You must order them. In that case... your new phone skips the carrier store inventory altogether and goes straight to your home.
I agree with you... I would love to have some more solid data about Samsung's numbers. But at the same time... Samsung keeps producing phones every quarter so someone must be buying them, right? Why would Samsung put more products into the channel if the previous supply hasn't moved? Why would any company?
We haven't heard about millions of phones shipped back to Samsung to be ground up and recycled... have we?
Blah blah blah. You, GG, and others keep making these claims about Samsung that Samsung itself, for some strange(!) reason, doesn't back up.
Give up guys. Go somewhere else -- the other tech forums, for instance -- where you can bullis**t your way through basic stuff like this.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
Ahh so Samsungs record profits last quarter means a negative margin? Do you actually read what you write? Brilliant.
Do you actually follow an argument or do you just make up shit when you fail to comprehend what someone is saying.
Solipsism mentioned nothing about Samsung's profits... ever.