Yes, but there's a difference between what you're suggesting and being vehemently opposed to something and attacking others for stating a belief that differs from yours.
Frankly, I always took the position that it didn't really matter and wasn't worth worrying about. I did, however, get offended by TS outright attacks on people who thought it might be the iPhone 5. It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Similarly, his vehement attacks on the concept of an iPad Mini fall into the same pattern. He can not simply say "let's get past it" if the iPad Mini is shipped - at least not if he has even a shred of integrity.
Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.
Meanwhile, somewhat back on topic ... I'm sure the anticipation of the 'next' iPhone is why sales have dipped and the Scamscum phone has taken the lead in sales ...
Calling it "iPhone 6" was simply flawed logic. Accept you were wrong, and move on folks The reason for the jump to 3 was because it was the 3G phone and so avoided confusion with the buzz number of the time.
I'm with Tallest Skill on the naming. If they do name it iPhone 5, it goes against every naming convention they've done and just doesn't make sense. The ONLY, I repeat, ONLY iPhones ever released with a generation-signifier were the iPhone 4, and therefore also the 4S. This is the 6th generation iPhone, no matter how you want to twist it.
And may I remind all of you, last year around this time everyone was calling the 4S the iPhone 5 prior to its announcement. So... which is right? You can't have it both ways. This isn't the fifth iPhone.
On a forum I would expect people to understand rather easily. When talking to non-techy friends, explaining the whole 3G vs 3GS vs 4 vs 4S is incredibly difficult. They see a number and assume chronologically, when that's got nothing to do with it, really.
In any event, I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 6, and I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 5. I would REALLY like everything to revert back to just 'iPhone'.
EDIT: Further, if Apple chooses to call it the iPhone 5, then fine ... but it wouldn't be technically correct. It wouldn't be the first time a company leaned toward its consumer side in the marketing department over the technical side. It would make for an interesting caveat for the nerds of the future
NOT looking forward to the headphone jack being re-positioned to the bottom of the device......
I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.
It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Oh, I'm not; don't worry.
Originally Posted by Slang4Art
If it is called iPhone 5, then even Apple is wrong. Sorry, but that is simply pandering to the lowest common denominator and ruins the intelligent naming conventions iPhone carried in the past. Apple may name it iPhone 5 to avoid confusing idiots who don't understand the product line or its history, but there is no reason to call the 6th generation, 4th form factor iPhone an iPhone 5.
Exactly. I just don't get it at all. Not pandering to what people thought they wanted is how Apple got where they are.
I really want it to be the iPhone 5 just to annoy the people who have been that anal about the naming structure.
Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.
People are trying to guess the name based on patterns that never existed.
. I did, however, get offended by TS outright attacks on people who thought it might be the iPhone 5. It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Similarly, his vehement attacks on the concept of an iPad Mini fall into the same pattern. He can not simply say "let's get past it" if the iPad Mini is shipped - at least not if he has even a shred of integrity.
As Global Moderator perhaps he sees it as his role to be provocative?
Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.
Isn't that the limit? How he acts like a dick about it for months and as soon as someone else jumps on him for it they're the asshole?
Ah, internets!
Although I do agree iPhone 5 is still weird. I would have thought "The New iPhone" - which is a way to get away from the SIII type naming scheme.
Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.
The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).
Here's how it has been so far.
iPhone: generation
iPhone 3G: telephony
iPhone 3GS: speed
iPhone 4: generation
iPhone 4S: speed
There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.
I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.
The reason I am not, is due to the fact that both times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket upside down (to protect the earphone jack because it was starting to rain), the iPhone turned off, and went into some hardware diagnostic mode which took a great deal of effort to get the iPhone to be re-booted. Unless that will not happen with the new iPhone. (Whatever they call it)......
The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).
There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.
This will be the funnest iPhone ever.
Good point on the S.
I had thought 4G was possible. I think the marketing troubles with 4G LTE outside the US make that impossible.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Yes, but there's a difference between what you're suggesting and being vehemently opposed to something and attacking others for stating a belief that differs from yours.
Frankly, I always took the position that it didn't really matter and wasn't worth worrying about. I did, however, get offended by TS outright attacks on people who thought it might be the iPhone 5. It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Similarly, his vehement attacks on the concept of an iPad Mini fall into the same pattern. He can not simply say "let's get past it" if the iPad Mini is shipped - at least not if he has even a shred of integrity.
Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.
Blah, blah. If it Apple calls it '5' it's '5'. '5' follows '4'. It's not difficult.
It's really just 'iPhone...'
Lemon Bon Bon.
Calling it "iPhone 6" was simply flawed logic. Accept you were wrong, and move on folks The reason for the jump to 3 was because it was the 3G phone and so avoided confusion with the buzz number of the time.
I'm with Tallest Skill on the naming. If they do name it iPhone 5, it goes against every naming convention they've done and just doesn't make sense. The ONLY, I repeat, ONLY iPhones ever released with a generation-signifier were the iPhone 4, and therefore also the 4S. This is the 6th generation iPhone, no matter how you want to twist it.
And may I remind all of you, last year around this time everyone was calling the 4S the iPhone 5 prior to its announcement. So... which is right? You can't have it both ways. This isn't the fifth iPhone.
On a forum I would expect people to understand rather easily. When talking to non-techy friends, explaining the whole 3G vs 3GS vs 4 vs 4S is incredibly difficult. They see a number and assume chronologically, when that's got nothing to do with it, really.
In any event, I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 6, and I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 5. I would REALLY like everything to revert back to just 'iPhone'.
EDIT: Further, if Apple chooses to call it the iPhone 5, then fine ... but it wouldn't be technically correct. It wouldn't be the first time a company leaned toward its consumer side in the marketing department over the technical side. It would make for an interesting caveat for the nerds of the future
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Originally Posted by Maecvs
NOT looking forward to the headphone jack being re-positioned to the bottom of the device......
I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.
Apple discovered the fifth element !
Originally Posted by jragosta
It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Oh, I'm not; don't worry.
Originally Posted by Slang4Art
If it is called iPhone 5, then even Apple is wrong. Sorry, but that is simply pandering to the lowest common denominator and ruins the intelligent naming conventions iPhone carried in the past. Apple may name it iPhone 5 to avoid confusing idiots who don't understand the product line or its history, but there is no reason to call the 6th generation, 4th form factor iPhone an iPhone 5.
Exactly. I just don't get it at all. Not pandering to what people thought they wanted is how Apple got where they are.
Originally Posted by geekdad
But he might ban us if we disagree with him......
{Dead serious mode} No. {/dead serious mode}
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
But that's wrong, too.
Yeah I just realized that. Oops. The 4S is the 5th generation.
Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.
People are trying to guess the name based on patterns that never existed.
Who cares what it's called?
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I now subscribe to the "5 products being released" theory.
Then the invite would have read "They're almost here."
They don't want to be grammatically incorrect
As Global Moderator perhaps he sees it as his role to be provocative?
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Originally Posted by Tulkas
Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.
Isn't that the limit? How he acts like a dick about it for months and as soon as someone else jumps on him for it they're the asshole?
Ah, internets!
Although I do agree iPhone 5 is still weird. I would have thought "The New iPhone" - which is a way to get away from the SIII type naming scheme.
Originally Posted by Wovel
Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.
The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).
Here's how it has been so far.
iPhone: generation
iPhone 3G: telephony
iPhone 3GS: speed
iPhone 4: generation
iPhone 4S: speed
There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.
Originally Posted by alcstarheel
They don't want to be grammatically incorrect
This will be the funnest iPhone ever.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulkas
I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.
The reason I am not, is due to the fact that both times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket upside down (to protect the earphone jack because it was starting to rain), the iPhone turned off, and went into some hardware diagnostic mode which took a great deal of effort to get the iPhone to be re-booted. Unless that will not happen with the new iPhone. (Whatever they call it)......
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Originally Posted by umrk_lab
Apple discovered the fifth element !
The new iPhone will be made of boron?
I suppose we won't get a livestream...?
Good point on the S.
I had thought 4G was possible. I think the marketing troubles with 4G LTE outside the US make that impossible.
5 inch screen! Oh yeah!