The court cases are ongoing in Australia, Germany and other countries in Europe, your statement is plain wrong.
Not only that, but Motorola just got found guilty of infringing the rubberbanding patent last week in Germany. So clearly other countries find Apple patents valid. I guess Samsung hasn't been tested on that one in court yet in Germany. Only a matter of time.
We're talking about an OS that runs only on a closed, unlicensed platform for which the entry fee is typically $1000, vs. a universally-licensed OS that runs on every PC under under the sun, from the good, to the bad, to the downright ugly, at all price points. Not everyone can afford to play in the Apple ecosystem via a Mac.
It's really rather annoying when people keep throwing out the "$1,000 entry fee" claim. That's not true. You can buy a Mac Mini for $599 - and even less if you're OK with refurbished or a student or faculty member.
The Mac Mini is a perfectly functional computer - I use a 3 year old Mini as my server and second computer and it works fine. It's considerably faster than the 6 year old MBP that I use as my main computer.
A jury in California, 10 miles away from apple headquarter, literally apple's backyard, found samsung guilty after only 3 days. It surprised all tech journalists and experts at how quickly they were able to reach verdict. Europe, australia and other countries found samsung didn't infringe these patents. The jury is a scam. They had no idea what was going on. most courts found galaxy tab infringed iPad, yet the jury found otherwise. What a joke.
First, your 'facts' are wrong. Apple has won a number of cases overseas.
Second, maybe no one explained it to you, but Europe consists of a bunch of sovereign countries and Australia and North Korea are also sovereign countries. Each country makes its own patent laws and what happens in the UK is not particularly relevant to what happens here - because the patents are different and the laws are different. For example, it is forbidden by statute to have a software patent in some countries - so Apple losing a patent case for software in those cases is completely irrelevant to the question of whether Samsung copied or not.
Furthermore, anyone with even a shred of honesty has to admit that Samsung copied Apple. Listen to the court testimony when Samsung admitted it. And the multiple documents where Samsung made intentional efforts to copy Apple's products.
Wise up, it is precisely the lack of innovation by Samsung that has led to Apple's litigation to protect their innovation. Rather than berate Apple you should be having a go at Samsung for themselves copying rather than innovating. Further you seem to have neglected that Apple has brought under the hood innovation by designing their own SoC which allows them to run a dual core faster than Samsung's quad.
I'd love to have a company that only makes [I]worthless niche products [/I]no one likes and yet at the same time has massive lines, has all the media attention, best ratings, highest profit, highest revenue, and is the most valuable company in the world.
Apple is going to go for the maximum penalty not because they need it for anything, not because they feel Samsung is competing with them, but because they are making an EXAMPLE out of Samsung.
Apple innovated and many companies copied them. Apple patented their designs, not just rectangles and rounded corners, but their DESIGNS. If you copy their DESIGNS, expect to be sued and expect to lose.
Apple may not get a penny from Samsung and certainly doesn't need the money, but it should serve as a deterrent to other companies designing phones.
Agreed. And ignore the apologists. Most of them are just greedy stockholders anyway who are about as partial as Fixed News.
Gotta say, I don't think I've ever been more ashamed of Apple. Amazing what a difference 5 years makes.
I hope y'all realize that all of this most likely be overturned in appeals court. In the end, all Apple is going to receive is a damaged reputation and a mountain of legal bills.
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Originally Posted by googleisgod
apple, why don't you stick to innovation instead of litigation? your lack of innovation really shows in your recent products: just adding features or copying features that had been on android for years, and still doing a terrible job at it (e.g. new maps). iphone 5 bring nothing new to the market. Just my opinion.
Enough, is Enough !!!!!!!!!! Stop the greedy machine !!!!!!!!!!! Keep making good hardware , phone, music players and that will give enough dough for centuries to come !!!!! I know they already learned what patent means !!!!
Enough, is Enough !!!!!!!!!! Stop the greedy machine !!!!!!!!!!! Keep making good hardware , phone, music players and that will give enough dough for centuries to come !!!!! I know they already learned what patents means !!!!
You suck at making lame excuses to keep kneeling down to apple and defending apple at any cost. Typical fanatic. forget the osx, ios only accounts for only 16% worldwide market share and its decreasing every year. Its gonna be a niche product in a few more years, just like osx.
It's really rather annoying when people keep throwing out the "$1,000 entry fee" claim. That's not true. You can buy a Mac Mini for $599 - and even less if you're OK with refurbished or a student or faculty member.
The Mac Mini is a perfectly functional computer - I use a 3 year old Mini as my server and second computer and it works fine. It's considerably faster than the 6 year old MBP that I use as my main computer.
First, your 'facts' are wrong. Apple has won a number of cases overseas.
Second, maybe no one explained it to you, but Europe consists of a bunch of sovereign countries and Australia and North Korea are also sovereign countries. Each country makes its own patent laws and what happens in the UK is not particularly relevant to what happens here - because the patents are different and the laws are different. For example, it is forbidden by statute to have a software patent in some countries - so Apple losing a patent case for software in those cases is completely irrelevant to the question of whether Samsung copied or not.
Furthermore, anyone with even a shred of honesty has to admit that Samsung copied Apple. Listen to the court testimony when Samsung admitted it. And the multiple documents where Samsung made intentional efforts to copy Apple's products.
At least the joke probably knows grammar at least as well as a third grader - unlike you.
I'm certainly not afraid of different opinions.
I am, however, disgusted by the endless lies and drivel posted by the Apple haters on this forum.
And what do you get with a Mac Mini for $599? Not much, still need several hundred dollars worth of peripherals. Which takes us back to about $1000.
It's really rather annoying when people keep throwing out the "$1,000 entry fee" claim. That's not true. You can buy a Mac Mini for $599 - and even less if you're OK with refurbished or a student or faculty member.
That is the *only* Mac for less than $1000 and it's not even a laptop. Not even an iMac. All the growth is in laptops and mobiles. One Mac that costs $599 in a limited, lean lineup of machines that are full of *other* form factors that are very much in demand, almost doesn't even count. For all intents and purposes, the entry fee *is* at least $1000. Most people buy new macs, not refurbs or other Macs available through "special" means.
Do you really think the Mini is a big seller in Apple's lineup, even with that price tag? Hardly. It's all about laptops and to a lesser extent, iMacs.
You suck at making lame excuses to keep kneeling down to apple and defending apple at any cost. Typical fanatic. forget the osx, ios only accounts for only 16% worldwide market share and its decreasing every year. Its gonna be a niche product in a few more years, just like osx.
And you call people here fanatics? If you believe what you're saying, you're fucking dellusional. Yes, iOS is going to become a "niche" product after the iPhone is selling anywhere from 5-8 million units in its 1st weekend of the latest "pathetic and outdated" version, and when each new phone continues to sell more than all previous generations combined. Not to forget iPad, which even slobbering trolls like you have to admit completely dominates the tablet space in all aspects. Meanwhile, Macs continue to smash their own sales records quarter after quarter, and have outgrown the PC industry for the past several years. But yeah, iPhone will magically become "niche" next month or something, the same thing foaming at the mouth Apple hating, rabid trolls like you have been saying since the iPhone 1st debuted, and yet every time it simply smashes all previous metrics of success and continues to skyrocket. Strange how people like you don't actually spend time, oh I don't know, enjoying/using your phones or the products you like, instead of signing up to forums dedicated to products/companies you despise simply to troll and spread bullshit. The thought has never occured to me to sign up to sites dedicated to products I don't like simply to bash those products. What a pathetic, empty life you must lead to be compelled to do this.
That is the *only* Mac for less than $1000 and it's not even a laptop. Not even an iMac. All the growth is in laptops and mobiles. One Mac that costs $599 in a limited, lean lineup of machines that are full of *other* form factors that are very much in demand, almost doesn't even count. For all intents and purposes, the entry fee *is* at least $1000. Most people buy new macs, not refurbs or other Macs available through "special" means.
Do you really think the Mini is a big seller in Apple's lineup, even with that price tag? Hardly. It's all about laptops and to a lesser extent, iMacs.
That may be true, but it's still false to say that the entry entry for Apple is $1,000. Most people have a monitor and keyboard around, but if they don't, you can get workable ones for $100 or so.
Contrary to what some critics and trolls would have you believe this is not the least bit damaging to Apple's public image. As has been pointed out this is all about sending a message to would be copycats that Apple intends to make their lives as miserable as possible if they choose to copy rather than compete. Recent ads by Samsung, Motorola, and Nokia indicate to me that this is getting under their skins big time and they are starting to lash out wildly in desperation. Maybe the jury verdict will be overturned, maybe not. Except for the cultist trolls who worship them Samsung's reputation has taken a big hit. I haven't heard a single person in my personal sphere, tech or otherwise, who doesn't believe Apple is just protecting its innovations from cheap knock-off copycats.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Only when the statement of the former half isn't the case.
Ok. In what from what I said in very first post of this thread you do not agree and think it is crap, in particular?
Not only that, but Motorola just got found guilty of infringing the rubberbanding patent last week in Germany. So clearly other countries find Apple patents valid. I guess Samsung hasn't been tested on that one in court yet in Germany. Only a matter of time.
It's really rather annoying when people keep throwing out the "$1,000 entry fee" claim. That's not true. You can buy a Mac Mini for $599 - and even less if you're OK with refurbished or a student or faculty member.
The Mac Mini is a perfectly functional computer - I use a 3 year old Mini as my server and second computer and it works fine. It's considerably faster than the 6 year old MBP that I use as my main computer.
First, your 'facts' are wrong. Apple has won a number of cases overseas.
Second, maybe no one explained it to you, but Europe consists of a bunch of sovereign countries and Australia and North Korea are also sovereign countries. Each country makes its own patent laws and what happens in the UK is not particularly relevant to what happens here - because the patents are different and the laws are different. For example, it is forbidden by statute to have a software patent in some countries - so Apple losing a patent case for software in those cases is completely irrelevant to the question of whether Samsung copied or not.
Furthermore, anyone with even a shred of honesty has to admit that Samsung copied Apple. Listen to the court testimony when Samsung admitted it. And the multiple documents where Samsung made intentional efforts to copy Apple's products.
At least the joke probably knows grammar at least as well as a third grader - unlike you.
I'm certainly not afraid of different opinions.
I am, however, disgusted by the endless lies and drivel posted by the Apple haters on this forum.
Can you link the test where the iphone dual core "runs faster" than a QUAD core s3? Thanx
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It has nothing to do with the words you're saying. If the argument is crap on its own, no amount of "past ownership" can save you.
Hear, hear!
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Originally Posted by googleisgod
forget the osx, ios only accounts for only 16% worldwide market share and its decreasing every year.
Mobile/Tablet Top Operating System Share Trend
MONTH
IOS
ANDROID
JAVA ME
BLACKBERRY
SYMBIAN
OTHER
August, 2011
53.04%
15.98%
20.57%
3.33%
6.21%
0.88%
September, 2011
54.65%
16.26%
18.52%
3.29%
6.12%
1.16%
October, 2011
61.50%
18.86%
12.81%
2.48%
3.47%
0.90%
November, 2011
54.04%
16.70%
19.69%
3.18%
5.27%
1.12%
December, 2011
52.10%
16.15%
21.27%
3.51%
5.76%
1.20%
January, 2012
53.65%
18.12%
19.19%
2.59%
5.20%
1.24%
February, 2012
60.59%
19.02%
14.16%
2.15%
2.77%
1.32%
March, 2012
59.87%
18.66%
15.10%
2.21%
2.77%
1.40%
April, 2012
63.19%
19.27%
11.83%
2.04%
2.24%
1.42%
May, 2012
62.65%
19.69%
12.17%
2.09%
1.86%
1.54%
June, 2012
65.27%
19.73%
10.22%
1.87%
1.49%
1.42%
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Originally Posted by jragosta
At least the joke probably knows grammar at least as well as a third grader - unlike you.
Oh, I thought he was making a pun on the word "you're".
Apple is going to go for the maximum penalty not because they need it for anything, not because they feel Samsung is competing with them, but because they are making an EXAMPLE out of Samsung.
Apple innovated and many companies copied them. Apple patented their designs, not just rectangles and rounded corners, but their DESIGNS. If you copy their DESIGNS, expect to be sued and expect to lose.
Apple may not get a penny from Samsung and certainly doesn't need the money, but it should serve as a deterrent to other companies designing phones.
Gotta say, I don't think I've ever been more ashamed of Apple. Amazing what a difference 5 years makes.
I hope y'all realize that all of this most likely be overturned in appeals court. In the end, all Apple is going to receive is a damaged reputation and a mountain of legal bills.
apple, why don't you stick to innovation instead of litigation? your lack of innovation really shows in your recent products: just adding features or copying features that had been on android for years, and still doing a terrible job at it (e.g. new maps). iphone 5 bring nothing new to the market. Just my opinion.
Enough, is Enough !!!!!!!!!! Stop the greedy machine !!!!!!!!!!! Keep making good hardware , phone, music players and that will give enough dough for centuries to come !!!!! I know they already learned what patent means !!!!
Peace
Originally Posted by divini
Enough, is Enough !!!!!!!!!! Stop the greedy machine !!!!!!!!!!! Keep making good hardware , phone, music players and that will give enough dough for centuries to come !!!!! I know they already learned what patents means !!!!
Peace
"Peace… no peace… "
"Is that glass bulletproof?"
"No, sir."
And?
There's nothing wrong with niche.
And what do you get with a Mac Mini for $599? Not much, still need several hundred dollars worth of peripherals. Which takes us back to about $1000.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It's really rather annoying when people keep throwing out the "$1,000 entry fee" claim. That's not true. You can buy a Mac Mini for $599 - and even less if you're OK with refurbished or a student or faculty member.
That is the *only* Mac for less than $1000 and it's not even a laptop. Not even an iMac. All the growth is in laptops and mobiles. One Mac that costs $599 in a limited, lean lineup of machines that are full of *other* form factors that are very much in demand, almost doesn't even count. For all intents and purposes, the entry fee *is* at least $1000. Most people buy new macs, not refurbs or other Macs available through "special" means.
Do you really think the Mini is a big seller in Apple's lineup, even with that price tag? Hardly. It's all about laptops and to a lesser extent, iMacs.
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Originally Posted by googleisgod
You suck at making lame excuses to keep kneeling down to apple and defending apple at any cost. Typical fanatic. forget the osx, ios only accounts for only 16% worldwide market share and its decreasing every year. Its gonna be a niche product in a few more years, just like osx.
And you call people here fanatics? If you believe what you're saying, you're fucking dellusional. Yes, iOS is going to become a "niche" product after the iPhone is selling anywhere from 5-8 million units in its 1st weekend of the latest "pathetic and outdated" version, and when each new phone continues to sell more than all previous generations combined. Not to forget iPad, which even slobbering trolls like you have to admit completely dominates the tablet space in all aspects. Meanwhile, Macs continue to smash their own sales records quarter after quarter, and have outgrown the PC industry for the past several years. But yeah, iPhone will magically become "niche" next month or something, the same thing foaming at the mouth Apple hating, rabid trolls like you have been saying since the iPhone 1st debuted, and yet every time it simply smashes all previous metrics of success and continues to skyrocket. Strange how people like you don't actually spend time, oh I don't know, enjoying/using your phones or the products you like, instead of signing up to forums dedicated to products/companies you despise simply to troll and spread bullshit. The thought has never occured to me to sign up to sites dedicated to products I don't like simply to bash those products. What a pathetic, empty life you must lead to be compelled to do this.
That may be true, but it's still false to say that the entry entry for Apple is $1,000. Most people have a monitor and keyboard around, but if they don't, you can get workable ones for $100 or so.
This guy is why we need to fix the education system.
By the way, if Google is God, then God needs to put a bit more work into the following creations:
Google Wave
Google Buzz
Google+
ChromeOS
Okurt
Google Answers
Dodgeball
Google knol
Google Page Creator
Google Audio Ads
Google Video Player
Google Print Ads
WebM
Best of luck with the Nexus tablet, 'God'.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Could this round backfire on Apple?
Contrary to what some critics and trolls would have you believe this is not the least bit damaging to Apple's public image. As has been pointed out this is all about sending a message to would be copycats that Apple intends to make their lives as miserable as possible if they choose to copy rather than compete. Recent ads by Samsung, Motorola, and Nokia indicate to me that this is getting under their skins big time and they are starting to lash out wildly in desperation. Maybe the jury verdict will be overturned, maybe not. Except for the cultist trolls who worship them Samsung's reputation has taken a big hit. I haven't heard a single person in my personal sphere, tech or otherwise, who doesn't believe Apple is just protecting its innovations from cheap knock-off copycats.
After the first round of court cases... Apple pre-sold 2 million iPhone 5 in 24 hours.
Now estimates are that Apple will sell 8 million iPhone 5 this first weekend.
So no... I don't think this next round of court cases will affect Apple.
I really don't think the buying public are that interested in courtroom drama.