So you are calling him out for saying something that is true? If you think there are not "Apple fanboys" on here then you are being lumped into that group because you are closing your eyes/mind to the obvious truth. Android, WP, BB and iOS all have their supporters and then they have their rabid fans. When you ignore the extremists and don't call them out on the stuff they do, you run the risk of them being the public support of your favourite product and no one wants that. Idiots about in all parts of life and it's up to others to call them out on it.
Using the phrase "Apple fanboys" here is like walking into a gay bar and calling the other patrons "fags". It's hate speech that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is the sign of a demented mind venting over its own frustrations in life.
That you pretend these "Apple fanboys" are "extremists", acting like they are some sort of Taliban, and pretending there's some sort of moral equivalency there, tells me you've got some issues yourself.
Here's the bottom line. Apple makes great products. Some of us like that. Some people apparently are bothered by it. Some of us expect that when Apple isn't 100% perfect, they know it and intend to fix the problems as soon as they can, even when the extent of them are overblown. Some people like to label the appreciation of general excellence in this case a "cult", while they hypocritically "worship at other alters," usually because they have some sort of irrational dislike of Apple or have got the idea in their heads that anything with the label "open" attached to it has to be the best.
Some of us are tired of listening to the tirades of trolls, shills, astroturfers and haters. So, stop pretending that anyone who defends Apple is the Taliban, and stop using language that makes that equivalence. Some of us just happen to think they have the best products, threaten our privacy less than the alternatives, and would like to see them succeed as long as they maintain their commitment to general excellence.
Posting your message once would have been enough. :-/
The problem is that you are incapable of seeing the big picture. There's much more involved than you're letting on. Let's do the typical pros and cons comparison:
Pros of changing
- Apple to add turn by turn
- Apple to add flyover (which is comparable to streetview for many purposes)
- Save money in Google license fees (maybe - they might be obligated to pay, anyway)
- Avoid giving Google more control over Apple's customers
- Avoid privacy issues involved in letting Google have its way
Cons
- Some number of people are inconvenienced in that they have to use maps.google.com. That's a relatively minor (and, presumably, temporary) inconvenience.
Apple gained a great deal by changing. And the loss has never been quantified. Sure, there are a lot of people with loud mouths complaining, but Google's ad, at least, has been shown to be very disingenuous - at best. No one has yet established any statistical evidence that Apple's Maps is significantly worse than Google's.
Gruber is the KING of Apple Apologists. Hell, he may even be a part of Apple's PR dept he's so bad. He's an arrogant prick who doesn't allow commenting on his site because too many people would embarrass him by calling him out on his BS.
Never mind. I can see you're not reasonable enough to debate. Enjoy your new Android phone.
So is your thinking Google won't release one? I could see that happening.
Or do you think Apple will reject the app? I find that unlikely given the firestorm that usually erupts and the number of Google apps Apple has already approved (include the somewhat suckish YouTube app).
With the restrictions on user data usage I could see Google never releasing an app. And yes Apple might reject it, if it violates any of the rules for apps, like private API use.
I prefer the Apple Map experience and the audible turn-by-turn could be a game changer. Street view? On my home computer it's a nice thing, while DRIVING? Notsomuch. Sp for a mobile app it'd rather be able to hear directions rather than have something that requires I stop looking at the road to utilize....
I personally think it was a mistake by Tim Cook to "apologize" like this. I think the smart thing to do would be to have handled this like the so called "antennagate" situation. Call a press conference. Point out that Google Maps has innumerable mistakes. Point out how the Google iLost ad was a lie. Take the media to task for not accurately reporting the facts. Acknowledge the issues that do exist. Explain how they will be fixed, how Google Maps was previously fixed, and continues to be fixed with the same process. Explain why it was necessary to dump Google maps now.
The apology just feeds the media and astroturfing frenzy, as we see in this thread. Getting the media together and knocking their heads together for being idiots and dupes of Google PR is much more effective.
It's clear that Google is behind this. We see the same thing with every iPhone release. They pick one feature they think they can get traction with, and, immediately, on release, they hit the ground running with their story. Like the so called "antennagate", the Maps issues in many cases don't exist or aren't any worse than Google's mistakes, and those that are will be quickly fixed and no one will be complaining about this in 6 months.
Tim needs to learn to be a bit more aggressive in his responses.
With the restrictions on user data usage I could see Google never releasing an app. And yes Apple might reject it, if it violates any of the rules for apps, like private API use.
I agree Google may not release the app, but if they do it will be approved eventually. Too many other competing map apps out there that Apple allows. Google would argue Apple is singling them out. I am fairly sure Apple has to hold its nose while approving apps regularly.
You gotta love these moronic trolls who aren't even Apple users, and they join an Apple forum to complain about a feature that they will never, ever use. And then they have the nerve to call Apple users on an Apple forum for fanboys?
Somebody should virtually beat the living shit out of these psychopaths, in my humble opinion.
I don't even see why some people bother to respond to them, as they are not here for any discussion. They have their talking points, their script to follow, and no amount of facts or logic will ever penetrate through their thick skulls.
From now on, I will not engage Fandroids and obvious Apple haters in any rational discussion, I will aggressively attack, while destroying and eliminating them. They're like cockroaches, and nobody wants a cockroach infestation. What do you do with cockroaches? You kill them and get rid of them.
Your wrong, actually stock holders have a lot to say in Apples plans.
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Try again. There was no stock holder vote on changing Final Cut or pulling FCS3 from the shelves. There was no stock holder vote on releasing Siri in Beta. On the new iPad only working with LTE in North America. Etc.
They might be in the business of turning a profit which we stock holders benefit from, but we have zero say in how they do that.
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Originally Posted by zippy2shoes
So you are calling him out for saying something that is true? If you think there are not "Apple fanboys" on here then you are being lumped into that group because you are closing your eyes/mind to the obvious truth. Android, WP, BB and iOS all have their supporters and then they have their rabid fans. When you ignore the extremists and don't call them out on the stuff they do, you run the risk of them being the public support of your favourite product and no one wants that. Idiots about in all parts of life and it's up to others to call them out on it.
Using the phrase "Apple fanboys" here is like walking into a gay bar and calling the other patrons "fags". It's hate speech that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is the sign of a demented mind venting over its own frustrations in life.
That you pretend these "Apple fanboys" are "extremists", acting like they are some sort of Taliban, and pretending there's some sort of moral equivalency there, tells me you've got some issues yourself.
Here's the bottom line. Apple makes great products. Some of us like that. Some people apparently are bothered by it. Some of us expect that when Apple isn't 100% perfect, they know it and intend to fix the problems as soon as they can, even when the extent of them are overblown. Some people like to label the appreciation of general excellence in this case a "cult", while they hypocritically "worship at other alters," usually because they have some sort of irrational dislike of Apple or have got the idea in their heads that anything with the label "open" attached to it has to be the best.
Some of us are tired of listening to the tirades of trolls, shills, astroturfers and haters. So, stop pretending that anyone who defends Apple is the Taliban, and stop using language that makes that equivalence. Some of us just happen to think they have the best products, threaten our privacy less than the alternatives, and would like to see them succeed as long as they maintain their commitment to general excellence.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Posting your message once would have been enough. :-/
The problem is that you are incapable of seeing the big picture. There's much more involved than you're letting on. Let's do the typical pros and cons comparison:
Pros of changing
- Apple to add turn by turn
- Apple to add flyover (which is comparable to streetview for many purposes)
- Save money in Google license fees (maybe - they might be obligated to pay, anyway)
- Avoid giving Google more control over Apple's customers
- Avoid privacy issues involved in letting Google have its way
Cons
- Some number of people are inconvenienced in that they have to use maps.google.com. That's a relatively minor (and, presumably, temporary) inconvenience.
Apple gained a great deal by changing. And the loss has never been quantified. Sure, there are a lot of people with loud mouths complaining, but Google's ad, at least, has been shown to be very disingenuous - at best. No one has yet established any statistical evidence that Apple's Maps is significantly worse than Google's.
This.
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Originally Posted by Waverunnr
Gruber is the KING of Apple Apologists. Hell, he may even be a part of Apple's PR dept he's so bad. He's an arrogant prick who doesn't allow commenting on his site because too many people would embarrass him by calling him out on his BS.
Never mind. I can see you're not reasonable enough to debate. Enjoy your new Android phone.
Sure. Where does that say that it was a mistake or released too early?
Cook apologized for the inconvenience. That's all.
With the restrictions on user data usage I could see Google never releasing an app. And yes Apple might reject it, if it violates any of the rules for apps, like private API use.
I prefer the Apple Map experience and the audible turn-by-turn could be a game changer. Street view? On my home computer it's a nice thing, while DRIVING? Notsomuch. Sp for a mobile app it'd rather be able to hear directions rather than have something that requires I stop looking at the road to utilize....
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Good point. What did Steve say about maps?
That is a fantastic video!
This needs to be re-posted to everyone until the cows come home because I think even Cook needs a refresher.
Did you miss the word "partner"?
Google has demonstrated that it is not a viable "partner" for Apple's future mapping needs!
Maybe they were once "good partnerships", but things change! Like maps, "partnership agreements" need to be updated to reflect current conditions.
Apple could not get what they wanted from Google, so they changed "partners".
Originally Posted by icoco3
Trolls...please refer to this article before commenting.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/27/googles-ilost-motorola-ad-faked-an-address-to-lose-ios-6-maps
Won't do any good; they're refuting that, too.
Originally Posted by Vaelian
Here's your proof. Can you contest it?
Show me where the letter says anything about Maps being released early.
I personally think it was a mistake by Tim Cook to "apologize" like this. I think the smart thing to do would be to have handled this like the so called "antennagate" situation. Call a press conference. Point out that Google Maps has innumerable mistakes. Point out how the Google iLost ad was a lie. Take the media to task for not accurately reporting the facts. Acknowledge the issues that do exist. Explain how they will be fixed, how Google Maps was previously fixed, and continues to be fixed with the same process. Explain why it was necessary to dump Google maps now.
The apology just feeds the media and astroturfing frenzy, as we see in this thread. Getting the media together and knocking their heads together for being idiots and dupes of Google PR is much more effective.
It's clear that Google is behind this. We see the same thing with every iPhone release. They pick one feature they think they can get traction with, and, immediately, on release, they hit the ground running with their story. Like the so called "antennagate", the Maps issues in many cases don't exist or aren't any worse than Google's mistakes, and those that are will be quickly fixed and no one will be complaining about this in 6 months.
Tim needs to learn to be a bit more aggressive in his responses.
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Originally Posted by Vaelian
Your analogy is flawed, Google Maps didn't replace anything.
Sure it did - standalone GPS units - paper maps - dead reckoning - stoping to ask the gas station attendant for directions.
Don't forget swearing and yelling at your wife in the passenger seat!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Won't do any good; they're refuting that, too.
I wouldn't say "refuting", more like defending the fraud that Google perpetrated as ok.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
With the restrictions on user data usage I could see Google never releasing an app. And yes Apple might reject it, if it violates any of the rules for apps, like private API use.
I agree Google may not release the app, but if they do it will be approved eventually. Too many other competing map apps out there that Apple allows. Google would argue Apple is singling them out. I am fairly sure Apple has to hold its nose while approving apps regularly.
That started ages ago.
It was less a recommendation and more a reminder that there are choices. Apple didn't take those away.
Once you sell all your Apple stuff, stop reading any site that mentions Apple etc it will be.
You gotta love these moronic trolls who aren't even Apple users, and they join an Apple forum to complain about a feature that they will never, ever use. And then they have the nerve to call Apple users on an Apple forum for fanboys?
Somebody should virtually beat the living shit out of these psychopaths, in my humble opinion.
I don't even see why some people bother to respond to them, as they are not here for any discussion. They have their talking points, their script to follow, and no amount of facts or logic will ever penetrate through their thick skulls.
From now on, I will not engage Fandroids and obvious Apple haters in any rational discussion, I will aggressively attack, while destroying and eliminating them. They're like cockroaches, and nobody wants a cockroach infestation. What do you do with cockroaches? You kill them and get rid of them.
We need a Streetview long before a fly over view.
Try again. There was no stock holder vote on changing Final Cut or pulling FCS3 from the shelves. There was no stock holder vote on releasing Siri in Beta. On the new iPad only working with LTE in North America. Etc.
They might be in the business of turning a profit which we stock holders benefit from, but we have zero say in how they do that.
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Why coulddn't Tim understand we have legs and wheels not wings.
We need a Streetview long before a fly over view.
Riiiiight...Street View while driving your car.
Which was the truth at the time he said that.
But then later he made the decision to buy Placebase etc.