My sister wants her Kindle fire back so I'm stuck with a decision to make. Any other time and I'd not hesitate but now that decision isn't as clear. I may just buy a Kindle and wait till Apple updates the mini like you know they will.
The Kindles aren't retina either. Why don't you wait until the Mini is in store and check it out in person, rather than being obsessed with the spec sheet. Maybe bring your sisters Fire along for comparison.
As far as waiting. Any consumer electronics you buy is always going to be surpassed within a year.
The Mini is extremely unlikely to get an upgrade for at least a year. It wouldn't surprise me if took 2 years before they released the Retina model (along with a Higher price).
The Kindles aren't retina either. Why don't you wait until the Mini is in store and check it out in person, rather than being obsessed with the spec sheet. Maybe bring your sisters Fire along for comparison.
As far as waiting. Any consumer electronics you buy is always going to be surpassed within a year.
The Mini is extremely unlikely to get an upgrade for at least a year. It wouldn't surprise me if took 2 years before they released the Retina model (along with a Higher price).
Lineup might look like this in 2014:
iPad Mini: $299
iPad Mini Retina: $399
iPad Retina: $499
I will definitely check out the mini once it's in store although given the specs I doubt I'll buy one. My iPhone 5 is noticeably faster than my iPad 3 was. I would imagine it's faster than the iPad 2 as well as the mini so it's not just the retina display that's disappointing. Yes, I am obsessing over the spec sheet but given what I'm currently used to, the mini isn't up to par.
It seems to me that Apple created the mini for people that wanted a smaller more affordable tablet without considering that the people who already own apple products would want something with better specifications and more power. Why they didn't leverage some of their better technologies for an upgraded option is confusing and disappointing. I would have happily paid more for a better more powerful product given that option, because the full size iPad is just too big for my needs and the "right size" iPad Mini isn't up to the specifications I desire. When you look at the component breakdown and estimated cost of these units http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/20/ipad-mini-build-cost-estimated-to-start-at-200-may-retail-for-299 (assuming this is even somewhat accurate), Apple has a lot of leeway for upgraded options. Hell, they're making a killing alone on flash memory!
It seems to me that Apple created the mini for people that wanted a smaller more affordable tablet without considering that the people who already own apple products would want something with better specifications and more power. Why they didn't leverage some of their better technologies for an upgraded option is confusing and disappointing. I would have happily paid more for a better more powerful product given that option, because the full size iPad is just too big for my needs and the "right size" iPad Mini isn't up to the specifications I desire. When you look at the component breakdown and estimated cost of these units http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/20/ipad-mini-build-cost-estimated-to-start-at-200-may-retail-for-299 (assuming this is even somewhat accurate), Apple has a lot of leeway for upgraded options. Hell, they're making a killing alone on flash memory!
They leveraged anything they could for cost reductions, which are more important at this stage. A5 is smaller, and has been coming out of the Fab for a long time, so it would be much cheaper and in plentiful supply. This keeps costs down and supply up. Next year Mini will almost certainly get an A6 upgrade (after A7 is out) when it is less expensive to include and supply is plentiful.
Those cost estimates might be interesting for comparison purposes, but they are useless for margin purposes. They calculate 40-50% margins on entry level full size iPads. Yet court documents show Apples margin was 23% on entry level iPads. That is a massive error making these educated guesses useless for figuring out what room Apple has for better parts. Apple almost certainly doubly squeezed on the Mini, both in Margins and ASP, and there are already tons of complaints about how overpriced it is. Putting in more expensive components will either further erode margin, or increase price (and complaints about price).
If you want bleeding edge you aren't going to see it in a Mini. Those parts will be destined for higher margin, higher ASP iPhones and Retina iPads, at least until the Mini splits into two models, regular Mini and Retina Mini. But I don't see that happening until 2014.
Your plan B is to buy a B&W kindle reader? Have you tried one? If you think a slow Mini will put you off, how will you react to slow e-ink?
Yes. Your argument should be able to stand on its own without this nonsense. Your ownership (or lack thereof) of Apple products is meaningless. It doesn't protect you from rebuttal, it doesn't validate your position.
This is a tactic that many trolls use, as they believe the opposite of the above. By positioning themselves as owners of the company's products, they think they can whine about them as much as they wish, and they also do it to make third parties reading their posts believe that they're actual Apple users actually disgruntled by whatever.
They're not.
I see that you have 18,000 + posts in about a 2 year time frame. Any person with a brain can piece together that yourself is either, unemployed and/or still living with mommy and daddy. For you to take the time and bash my post, which is an OPINION is nothing but trolling. You are one of the biggest ones on this forum.
Instead of adding to the thread, you insisted on putting down others. I in no way attacked anyone at the beginning and you chose to be the little immature baby that you are an post hatrid.
I know for a fact you can't give me TWO reasons why Apple should of put a 5MP lense in their mini.
If I don't respond to your post, its probably because I have work more hours in a day than you ever will fanboy.
Your plan B is to buy a B&W kindle reader? Have you tried one? If you think a slow Mini will put you off, how will you react to slow e-ink?
I understand the math but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Like I said, I was disappointed with the Mini offering and did state that I would have paid more for the higher tech.
My plan B is to compare my options side by side when I can get a look at them and make my decision at that time what I'm going to do. I have a Mac Mini attached to a 50" plasma TV right now that I can emulate my Kindle app and read on my TV as well as a PC hooked to a 32" LCD in my bedroom that I can do the same so it's not imperative that I have a tablet (although it's desirable).
I do travel and like to read when I'm away from home and doing this on my iPhone 5 is a bandaid until I purchase a tablet. Do I need an Apple product to do this? No. But if the resolution of a competing product is comparable at a considerable cost savings (1/3 of the price for the B&W Kindle) then I would lean more towards spending less until Apple upgrades the line. Problem is, how long do I have to wait, do I even want to wait, and I hate spending money on lower quality, much less give money to Google or Samsung (which you do with Apple products now anyway).
For some people it's a no brainer, it's an easy decision one way or the other. I bought the iPhone 3, 4, and 5 only to have the 3G, 4S, and probably 5? come out shortly after. Many people are like me and are tired of that life cycle and will stop buying Apple products without having a diverse offering like they do for their desk top models. It's a "hurry to market" mentality that I as an investor in Apple stock am afraid of.
I understand the math but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Like I said, I was disappointed with the Mini offering and did state that I would have paid more for the higher tech.
Probably the best color tablet reader on the market if you are not wedded to the Kindle ecosystem 7" 243 ppi screen.
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Originally Posted by p40whk
My sister wants her Kindle fire back so I'm stuck with a decision to make. Any other time and I'd not hesitate but now that decision isn't as clear. I may just buy a Kindle and wait till Apple updates the mini like you know they will.
The Kindles aren't retina either. Why don't you wait until the Mini is in store and check it out in person, rather than being obsessed with the spec sheet. Maybe bring your sisters Fire along for comparison.
As far as waiting. Any consumer electronics you buy is always going to be surpassed within a year.
The Mini is extremely unlikely to get an upgrade for at least a year. It wouldn't surprise me if took 2 years before they released the Retina model (along with a Higher price).
Lineup might look like this in 2014:
iPad Mini: $299
iPad Mini Retina: $399
iPad Retina: $499
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowdog65
The Kindles aren't retina either. Why don't you wait until the Mini is in store and check it out in person, rather than being obsessed with the spec sheet. Maybe bring your sisters Fire along for comparison.
As far as waiting. Any consumer electronics you buy is always going to be surpassed within a year.
The Mini is extremely unlikely to get an upgrade for at least a year. It wouldn't surprise me if took 2 years before they released the Retina model (along with a Higher price).
Lineup might look like this in 2014:
iPad Mini: $299
iPad Mini Retina: $399
iPad Retina: $499
I will definitely check out the mini once it's in store although given the specs I doubt I'll buy one. My iPhone 5 is noticeably faster than my iPad 3 was. I would imagine it's faster than the iPad 2 as well as the mini so it's not just the retina display that's disappointing. Yes, I am obsessing over the spec sheet but given what I'm currently used to, the mini isn't up to par.
It seems to me that Apple created the mini for people that wanted a smaller more affordable tablet without considering that the people who already own apple products would want something with better specifications and more power. Why they didn't leverage some of their better technologies for an upgraded option is confusing and disappointing. I would have happily paid more for a better more powerful product given that option, because the full size iPad is just too big for my needs and the "right size" iPad Mini isn't up to the specifications I desire. When you look at the component breakdown and estimated cost of these units http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/20/ipad-mini-build-cost-estimated-to-start-at-200-may-retail-for-299 (assuming this is even somewhat accurate), Apple has a lot of leeway for upgraded options. Hell, they're making a killing alone on flash memory!
Quote:
Originally Posted by p40whk
It seems to me that Apple created the mini for people that wanted a smaller more affordable tablet without considering that the people who already own apple products would want something with better specifications and more power. Why they didn't leverage some of their better technologies for an upgraded option is confusing and disappointing. I would have happily paid more for a better more powerful product given that option, because the full size iPad is just too big for my needs and the "right size" iPad Mini isn't up to the specifications I desire. When you look at the component breakdown and estimated cost of these units http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/20/ipad-mini-build-cost-estimated-to-start-at-200-may-retail-for-299 (assuming this is even somewhat accurate), Apple has a lot of leeway for upgraded options. Hell, they're making a killing alone on flash memory!
They leveraged anything they could for cost reductions, which are more important at this stage. A5 is smaller, and has been coming out of the Fab for a long time, so it would be much cheaper and in plentiful supply. This keeps costs down and supply up. Next year Mini will almost certainly get an A6 upgrade (after A7 is out) when it is less expensive to include and supply is plentiful.
Those cost estimates might be interesting for comparison purposes, but they are useless for margin purposes. They calculate 40-50% margins on entry level full size iPads. Yet court documents show Apples margin was 23% on entry level iPads. That is a massive error making these educated guesses useless for figuring out what room Apple has for better parts. Apple almost certainly doubly squeezed on the Mini, both in Margins and ASP, and there are already tons of complaints about how overpriced it is. Putting in more expensive components will either further erode margin, or increase price (and complaints about price).
If you want bleeding edge you aren't going to see it in a Mini. Those parts will be destined for higher margin, higher ASP iPhones and Retina iPads, at least until the Mini splits into two models, regular Mini and Retina Mini. But I don't see that happening until 2014.
Your plan B is to buy a B&W kindle reader? Have you tried one? If you think a slow Mini will put you off, how will you react to slow e-ink?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Yes. Your argument should be able to stand on its own without this nonsense. Your ownership (or lack thereof) of Apple products is meaningless. It doesn't protect you from rebuttal, it doesn't validate your position.
This is a tactic that many trolls use, as they believe the opposite of the above. By positioning themselves as owners of the company's products, they think they can whine about them as much as they wish, and they also do it to make third parties reading their posts believe that they're actual Apple users actually disgruntled by whatever.
They're not.
I see that you have 18,000 + posts in about a 2 year time frame. Any person with a brain can piece together that yourself is either, unemployed and/or still living with mommy and daddy. For you to take the time and bash my post, which is an OPINION is nothing but trolling. You are one of the biggest ones on this forum.
Instead of adding to the thread, you insisted on putting down others. I in no way attacked anyone at the beginning and you chose to be the little immature baby that you are an post hatrid.
I know for a fact you can't give me TWO reasons why Apple should of put a 5MP lense in their mini.
If I don't respond to your post, its probably because I have work more hours in a day than you ever will fanboy.
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Originally Posted by Snowdog65
Your plan B is to buy a B&W kindle reader? Have you tried one? If you think a slow Mini will put you off, how will you react to slow e-ink?I understand the math but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Like I said, I was disappointed with the Mini offering and did state that I would have paid more for the higher tech.
My plan B is to compare my options side by side when I can get a look at them and make my decision at that time what I'm going to do. I have a Mac Mini attached to a 50" plasma TV right now that I can emulate my Kindle app and read on my TV as well as a PC hooked to a 32" LCD in my bedroom that I can do the same so it's not imperative that I have a tablet (although it's desirable).
I do travel and like to read when I'm away from home and doing this on my iPhone 5 is a bandaid until I purchase a tablet. Do I need an Apple product to do this? No. But if the resolution of a competing product is comparable at a considerable cost savings (1/3 of the price for the B&W Kindle) then I would lean more towards spending less until Apple upgrades the line. Problem is, how long do I have to wait, do I even want to wait, and I hate spending money on lower quality, much less give money to Google or Samsung (which you do with Apple products now anyway).
For some people it's a no brainer, it's an easy decision one way or the other. I bought the iPhone 3, 4, and 5 only to have the 3G, 4S, and probably 5? come out shortly after. Many people are like me and are tired of that life cycle and will stop buying Apple products without having a diverse offering like they do for their desk top models. It's a "hurry to market" mentality that I as an investor in Apple stock am afraid of.
Quote:
Originally Posted by p40whk
I understand the math but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Like I said, I was disappointed with the Mini offering and did state that I would have paid more for the higher tech.
Probably the best color tablet reader on the market if you are not wedded to the Kindle ecosystem 7" 243 ppi screen.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/nook-hd-review/