Phil Schiller says Apple does with its Macs what PC makers are 'afraid' to do

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  • Reply 181 of 247
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    philboogie wrote: »
    Haha the keystroke lag! I read @ AnandTech that it didn't catch all strokes.
    I'm positive you're going to like that iMac, ETA Nov 23, no? From what you wrote here it is entirely possible that a Mini would've sufficed as well. A crying shame you can't get the 30" ACD anymore. I really hope the glare on those 27" screens aren't that visibly (or annoying) - I simply couldn't get anything other than the MP + ACD back in 2010 as I use it for my photography hobby.

    1) What makes this worse is that the OS takes up a lot of space, which is why it has to start at 32GB, not 16GB. You get more usable storage when you compare the $499 iPad to the $499 Surface, but not that much more. I bet their updates and apps will still be bloated which will make any typical app pool use more than on an iDevice.

    To me, that means that people will want the 64GB for "real work". That means you have to pay $200 more for 32GB (Apple charges you $100)... but you also get the TouchCover with it. But if you really are going to use this as a notebook replacement with no compromise you'll have to get the TypeCover, which is another $130. That's $829, as much as the 64GB iPad with 4G LTE.

    Now you're getting into the range of a good quality Windows 8 notebook that runs a much higher performing Intel chip where you can type well, use all your old Windows apps, and probably have at least a 500GB HDD or 128GB SSD. That's the low end of the Ultrabooks, right?


    2) I'm getting the 27" so I have to wait until some undetermined time in December. Yes, a Mac mini would be plenty powerful but add to that $1000 for an Apple Thunderbolt Display and I'm at iMac prices with less performance and options.
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  • Reply 182 of 247
    1) I also concluded as much from the reviews, and my feeling tells me they'll sell a boatload at launch, and then it'll drop. Could pick up if the prices get dropped, but I'm uncertain of that. They supposedly spent 9 billion on R&D, and the component costs are of course higher than what Apple pays due to lower volume. Indeed, people will be better off with a low end Ultrabook. If this is going to be the case, I sympathize with MS as they really put in the effort. Too late, perhaps. What do I know

    2) True, a Mini with an ATD(correct acronym?) will cost more than an iMac. (I do believe it has more ports than your 2010 MBP.) Although if things go awry you could get a different Mini or Display if going that route. Yes, that is a negative thing to think, but should be Taken (pun intended, thanks!) into consideration. My MP once died, and I was happy to borrow a friends' while it was in repair and I still had my monitor.
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  • Reply 183 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by AllanMc View Post


     


    I hear you bro, that's why I also commented on... 


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    The iMac screen is perfect quality for most professional requirements but needs the additional processing oomph of a rack support processor/server, the mac-mini server or multiples thereof serves home and small office duties and I believe the next MacPro should be capable of mixing it with the best studio requirements, many professional creative studios I'm sure would be happy with iMacs as app work terminals offloading the post heavy render lifting to a suitable pci MacPro server or multiples thereof  built up to requirements leaving the iMacs instantly free for editing the next job along, hence enhanced pro_ductivity.


     


    I would be quite prepared to reconsider returning to the mac fold if this were the case, wouldn't you?.



     


    Okay, I gotcha now. I didn't get where you were going with that the first time. I mean well but I'm just not that bright!


     


    What you're suggesting *does* seem like a perfectly reasonable approach to a facility-wide solution. I can see the potential efficiency benefits for certain workflows but I'm not sure it is any more universally efficient or cost-effective than powerful stand-alone workstations, especially in settings where creative is a comparatively small section within a larger Windows-based enterprise.


     


    I also often have need to do serious work in the field, and for that I need a powerful, portable workstation. The distributed processing model doesn't work in that application.


     


    I think for all but larger, collaborative, project-oriented facilities it's still better to have self-contained workstations.

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  • Reply 184 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Oh, the way language is butchered. There isn't anything "flawed" with the internals, they work just fine.



     


    Fair enough. Replace "flawed" with "inadequate." I realize that's subjective, but I think it's fair in that context.

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  • Reply 185 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post



    Yes, really. My Canopus gets my cherished moments from VHS onto HDD/SSD. FW400 only. But if the next PM doesn't have FW but TB I'll simply get a different Canopus, or whatever box. If I'm not done by then.


     


    I have the same unit for the same reason. The Blackmagic Design units are excellent alternatives, and are part of the reason I wanted to upgrade to a newer machine with USB3. They make Thunderbolt versions, but they cost 1/3 more AND require that $50 cable.


     


     




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    Is that still DRM-ed? But one can sync it to an iPad? I do think a digital copy is a lot better than an OD; can't stick it in my comfy 747 chair so the creator is dictating I cannot easily watch a DVD during flight.


     



    True, but I can rip a DVD (and some people successfully rip Blu-Rays without having their machine crash on them the way mine does) so I can watch them anywhere on anything anytime, including transferring them to that iPad.


     


     


     





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    Why would they do that if they sell a Pro mac themselves?


     



    Do they? Can I get a Pro with Thunderbolt? USB3? Buss speeds consistent with current software demands? The existing offering is a good machine, but not exactly current.  It's also kinda spendy for work that requires more than consumer-level performance but not necessarily high-end, like music production, pre-press or basic video editing. The iMac recently become viable in that role, and it's disappointing to see it regressing.


     


    Then there's field work. The current crop of MacBook Pros are still okay (so far) but the decline is already becoming evident as the lower-end models lose dedicated graphics, large, cost-effective storage devices are dumped to make them more like the consumer device they already sell (Air) and the large-screen version is dropped altogether.

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  • Reply 186 of 247
    1) Please. A $50 cable is too much?

    2) I've never tried ripping a BR disc, but I should as I have some great documentaries like Planet Earth that I would love to see but my *cough* Samsung *cough* BR DVD player is, well, shyte. It makes a ton of noise, the remote is utterly frustrating, and... Well, you get the picture. Did you rip BR on your MP?

    3) I understand everyone's gripe with the Mac Pro not being up to standard, not recent. But looking at it the other way around, from an iMac perspective is the wrong way I think: that PC might be able to do so heavy stuff, but should be bought by Pro's who want to do Pro stuff. Compress, decompress, outputting to different video formats, all video editing stuff should be done on a machine with more than one internal HDD, for scratch drive and such. Sure, you can connect TB drives to an iMac, but that'll be more expensive, if money is an object.

    3a) yeah, that 17 inch is sorely missed. Fortunately we still can see the midget/tall guy commercial

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  • Reply 187 of 247
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member


    Yes PC makers are afraid to do what Apple does, PC makers are afraid to charge like $1700 for a $900 ultabook, they re afraid to sell a $900 all in one desktop for $1500, they are afraid to sell a 2-generation old tablet in a slightly smaller case and call it a new product, and charge a large premium over competing products.


     


    There is nothing wrong with what Apple is doing, just like there is nothing wrong with BMW or Lexus  charging a premium for a commodity with a nice twist but BMW and Lexus let their products stand on their own, they dont compare themselves to Fiat or Chevy in public...

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  • Reply 188 of 247


    Originally Posted by a_greer View Post

    …charge like $1700 for a $900 ultabook, they re afraid to sell a $900 all in one desktop for $1500…


     


    You've no idea what you're talking about.

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  • Reply 189 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    1) Please. A $50 cable is too much?


     


    Yes. Adding $50 to every single device in the chain is too much. Especially when $50 is 20-30% of the price of the unit it's connecting. Also especially when I'm already paying a substantial premium for a device that's Thunderbolt capable in the first place. I understand that it's a sophisticated connector for a complicated system but I don't care. USB3 is more than overkill for most of the applications in which one might consider Thunderbolt (obviously not ALL applications, but most), and the cables are three bucks.


     


     


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    [...] Did you rip BR on your MP?


     


    No, I was trying to do it with my 2011 Mini. I read NewEgg reviews on various models of external BD drives looking for ones Mac users reported working for them. I bought such a unit but inserting a disc just crashed my Mac. I spent days trying various firmware and software fixes, and in doing so expired the return window for the drive. My enthusiasm for Blu-Ray ripping diminished substantially after that.

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  • Reply 190 of 247
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    No, it's more "they're not as good at slipping Steveisms in undetected". Their delivery is the problem, and it can be improved if they actually work on it.



     

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    Given that the difference between a well- and a poorly-received rollout is a few billion dollars of shareholder value, maybe the board should insist they invest in public speaking coach.


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  • Reply 191 of 247


    Originally Posted by igriv View Post

    Given that the difference between a well- and a poorly-received rollout is a few billion dollars of shareholder value, maybe the board should insist they invest in public speaking coach.


     


    If that's what people really care about, screw people. In my book, they can do just about anything short of pee on their customers in effigy as long as the products keep being the best on the market. And the market is what will actually determine their success.


     


    Cut to a photoshopped picture of Phil Schiller in the "Calvin peeing on X" pose… 

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  • Reply 192 of 247

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    Given that the difference between a well- and a poorly-received rollout is a few billion dollars of shareholder value, maybe the board should insist they invest in public speaking coach.


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    Share price had nothing to public speaking abilities and everything to do with the Numbers. Analysts didn't like lower iPad sales number and lower iPad ASP.  Also guidance for the next quarter from Apple was lower than expected IIRC.


     


    The actual keynote doesn't affect much. No one but Uber Nerds watch keynotes. I am a nerd and I follow this stuff closely, but I didn't watch the keynote. I haven't seen a single clip from it. I just read the info after it comes out.

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  • Reply 193 of 247
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    If that's what people really care about, screw people. In my book, they can do just about anything short of pee on their customers in effigy as long as the products keep being the best on the market. And the market is what will actually determine their success.


     


    Cut to a photoshopped picture of Phil Schiller in the "Calvin peeing on X" pose… 



     

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    Why "in effigy"? Real men, real pee, real customers, I say.


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  • Reply 194 of 247
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by Snowdog65 View Post


     


    Share price had nothing to public speaking abilities and everything to do with the Numbers. Analysts didn't like lower iPad sales number and lower iPad ASP.  Also guidance for the next quarter from Apple was lower than expected IIRC.


     


    The actual keynote doesn't affect much. No one but Uber Nerds watch keynotes. I am a nerd and I follow this stuff closely, but I didn't watch the keynote. I haven't seen a single clip from it. I just read the info after it comes out.



     

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    You are Oh, SO Wrong. Next time you are not watching the keynote, open Yahoo Finance (which has a live stock price feed), and watch the AAPL stock price. Quite entertaining (especially if you don't hold AAPL stock. If you do, stock up on ' ludes).


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  • Reply 195 of 247
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    If that's what people really care about, screw people. In my book, they can do just about anything short of pee on their customers in effigy as long as the products keep being the best on the market. And the market is what will actually determine their success.


     


    Cut to a photoshopped picture of Phil Schiller in the "Calvin peeing on X" pose… 



     

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    Also, you obviously have a right to your opinion, with which I might or might not agree. However, the relevant question is whether CALPERS agrees -- Steve could keep the institutions at bay to an extent, Tim is not Steve, so I will bet there will be more coaching as time goes on.


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    Easy to say when your company only holds a small portion of the personal computer market. If it were reversed and Apple owned 90%ish of the market they wouldn't be able to easily drop legacy hardware support. 

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  • Reply 197 of 247
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    lamewing wrote: »
    Easy to say when your company only holds a small portion of the personal computer market. If it were reversed and Apple owned 90%ish of the market they wouldn't be able to easily drop legacy hardware support. 

    They just dropped the iPad 3 from the line up and they drop iPod designs almost yearly.
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  • Reply 198 of 247


    Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

    Easy to say when your company only holds a small portion of the personal computer market. If it were reversed and Apple owned 90%ish of the market they wouldn't be able to easily drop legacy hardware support. 


     


    Of course they would. You really need to give up this nonsense.

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  • Reply 199 of 247
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Of course they would. You really need to give up this nonsense.

    And you know this how?
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    And you know this how?


     


    Because they do it where they DO have 90% marketshare! 

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