They just dropped the iPad 3 from the line up and they drop iPod designs almost yearly.
People don't view their iPods the way they do iPads, and I'd say the vast majority of 3rd gen iPad owners don't really care it was so quickly replaced.
I have become to hate burning discs now. My DVD drive has not been used to write anything for ages. I also used to convert my installation disc to .iso for storage but since all of them now available to download, my ODD just sitting idle. Good riddance Apple. Don't bother with Blu-Ray too. PS3 and standalone is available for cheap. We just write everything onto HDDs. They are as cheap as bananas.
Here is the fundamental flaw with their strategy on removing the HDD all together, I agree moving parts is not a good thing it can be damage and wear out. However, a HDD can write a bit to the same location hundred of millions of times and as long as the drive is still spinning and functional you can retrieve that data. Not true with SSD. SSD wear out faster than an HDD does especially if you use applications which write lots of data and erase it. Which most modern OS do to daywith scratch files and caches and logs files. As all Mac users know and have experience with is mac live forever, not unusually to hear people say their mac is 5, 6 or 10 yrs old. With and SSD you may not get that long of life out of them and if you power them down for a period of time you may not be able to retreive the data from the SSD.
That you don't want to change is your issue, not Apples. If they catered to everyone like you we'd still have 5&1/4 drives in machines
I'm all for progress. I'm all for letting one technology ride off into the sunset in favor of technologically superior ones. Streaming videos and streaming music, is, in no way, superior to disc-based version. More convenient? Possibly. Technologically better? Absolutely not. The quality of streaming video and music does not hold a candle to discs.
How many folks really need to be able to do such upgrades.
RAM goes bad all the time. Drives go bad all the time. Good luck to you when it happens. If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
That's probably a $150 service on one of these devices with the memory glued in.
The quality of streaming video and music does not hold a candle to discs.
Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize.
Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive.
$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize.
You don't know what you're talking about. I just paid $40 for 8 GB (2 x 4 GB). When RAM dies, it doesn't usually take other RAM with it, so you usually just replace a single "stick".
Streaming music, at best, is 360 kbps--nowhere near the quality of a physical disc. If you want full quality, you have to rip at lossless bit rate. There's a reason Apple includes a lossless bitrate--it sounds better.
And do you really mean to suggest that a 4.8 GB "HD" copy from iTunes surpasses a 40 GB copy from a Blu ray?
Even on mediocre equipment you can see and hear a big difference in quality. On good equipment? There is absolutely no comparison.
That sounds exactly like what I just said. Did you not read what I said before coming to the conclusion that I was wrong?
Yeah, you didn't read ANYTHING that I said.
Yes, I read everything you said. You said:
"Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive."
It seem an awful lot like you're saying that streaming copies surpass physical copies. Did I really read that wrong?
You also said that $40 gets you 2 GB or 4 GB that won't work on any machine available. This, again, it 100% false. I just bought RAM to replace existing RAM in a 2-year-old PC. The new RAM worked just great.
"$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize."
Tell me how that is different than what I said you said? I've just proven this statement copied and pasted from your reply as 100% false. You said it. You cannot back away from it.
What, in your opinion, is a relevant use? Even the highest bitrate iTunes copy of a movie has some macroblocking. Blu ray has absolutely none. You're statements are like saying a 140 KB JPEG is as equivalent to a 4 MB RAW file. There is just no way.
Tell me how that is different than what I said you said?
You said incompatible as a definite. I said likely. Just go to Newegg and see for yourself.
I've just proven this statement copied and pasted from your reply as 100% false. You said it. You cannot back away from it.
What you said is 100% false. Nothing at all incorrect with what I've said.
What, in your opinion, is a relevant use?
Use in any Mac, which is the topic at hand (and of the forum itself). Streaming and iTunes purchases already surpass any disc that can go in any Mac. Therefore removing the optical drive doesn't matter.
Blu ray has absolutely none.
And MORE 'making-things-up'… Really? So Blu-ray is uncompressed 1080p video?
And MORE 'making-things-up'… Really? So Blu-ray is uncompressed 1080p video?
No, Blu-Ray is not uncompressed, but is is significantly LESS compressed than an iTunes title. The difference in picture quality is obvious. The artefacts in a iTunes movie are often (usually?) very distracting. Severe banding in gradients is the most bothersome characteristic of iTunes video to me.
RAM goes bad all the time. Drives go bad all the time. Good luck to you when it happens. If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
That's probably a $150 service on one of these devices with the memory glued in.
There are several macbooks in use in my family, and several iDevices.And a couple of ancient Mac Pros. This has been true for the last several years, and I don't recall ANY bad RAM (my machines usually are maxed out, so there is a lot of RAM to possibly go bad).
I'm in total agreement. What would fix this? Less compression? Different formats?
Less compression and different algorithms. You wind up with huge files though so I understand why they made the trade-off. I wouldn't wanna download decent quality files. That's why I think optical discs still have a role to play for a while yet.
There are several macbooks in use in my family, and several advices. This has been true for the last several years, and I don't recall ANY bad RAM (my machines usually are maxed out, so there is a lot of RAM to possibly go bad).
I've had RAM go bad on me a few times. It's not frequent or common or unavoidable, like the failure of EVERY SINGLE OPTICAL DRIVE IN EVERY MAC EVER MADE, but it does happen, for me with roughly the same frequency as failed hard drives. Maybe slightly less. It's a bugger when it happens because your machine just starts acting weird and there's no clear evidence what's wrong until you replace it.
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People don't view their iPods the way they do iPads, and I'd say the vast majority of 3rd gen iPad owners don't really care it was so quickly replaced.
Where? What have they taken out of the iPad or iPod that was there before?
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For most normal people, something like Netflix HD is good enough quality, and net streaming is always improving in quality.
Maybe some people only choose to watch physical Blu-Ray discs, but that's not "normal", as that is a small niche market.
It's the home theater market, not the computer market.
And it's completely normal to want to watch movies on a large screen in a comfy chair rather than on a computer. They're simply two different markets.
Here is the fundamental flaw with their strategy on removing the HDD all together, I agree moving parts is not a good thing it can be damage and wear out. However, a HDD can write a bit to the same location hundred of millions of times and as long as the drive is still spinning and functional you can retrieve that data. Not true with SSD. SSD wear out faster than an HDD does especially if you use applications which write lots of data and erase it. Which most modern OS do to daywith scratch files and caches and logs files. As all Mac users know and have experience with is mac live forever, not unusually to hear people say their mac is 5, 6 or 10 yrs old. With and SSD you may not get that long of life out of them and if you power them down for a period of time you may not be able to retreive the data from the SSD.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
That you don't want to change is your issue, not Apples. If they catered to everyone like you we'd still have 5&1/4 drives in machines
I'm all for progress. I'm all for letting one technology ride off into the sunset in favor of technologically superior ones. Streaming videos and streaming music, is, in no way, superior to disc-based version. More convenient? Possibly. Technologically better? Absolutely not. The quality of streaming video and music does not hold a candle to discs.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
How many folks really need to be able to do such upgrades.
RAM goes bad all the time. Drives go bad all the time. Good luck to you when it happens. If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
That's probably a $150 service on one of these devices with the memory glued in.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
The quality of streaming video and music does not hold a candle to discs.
Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive.
$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize.
You don't know what you're talking about. I just paid $40 for 8 GB (2 x 4 GB). When RAM dies, it doesn't usually take other RAM with it, so you usually just replace a single "stick".
Streaming music, at best, is 360 kbps--nowhere near the quality of a physical disc. If you want full quality, you have to rip at lossless bit rate. There's a reason Apple includes a lossless bitrate--it sounds better.
And do you really mean to suggest that a 4.8 GB "HD" copy from iTunes surpasses a 40 GB copy from a Blu ray?
Even on mediocre equipment you can see and hear a big difference in quality. On good equipment? There is absolutely no comparison.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
You don't know what you're talking about. I just paid $40 for 8 GB (2 x 4 GB).
That sounds exactly like what I just said. Did you not read what I said before coming to the conclusion that I was wrong?
And do you really mean to suggest that a 4.8 GB "HD" copy from iTunes surpasses a 40 GB copy from a Blu ray?
Yeah, you didn't read ANYTHING that I said.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
That sounds exactly like what I just said. Did you not read what I said before coming to the conclusion that I was wrong?
Yeah, you didn't read ANYTHING that I said.
Yes, I read everything you said. You said:
"Except they already surpass the quality of any disc you could have put in the machine, so it's fine to have removed the optical drive."
It seem an awful lot like you're saying that streaming copies surpass physical copies. Did I really read that wrong?
You also said that $40 gets you 2 GB or 4 GB that won't work on any machine available. This, again, it 100% false. I just bought RAM to replace existing RAM in a 2-year-old PC. The new RAM worked just great.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
It seem an awful lot like you're saying that streaming copies surpass physical copies.
Yep, for all relevant uses.
Did I really read that wrong?
Nope.
You also said that $40 gets you 2 GB or 4 GB that won't work on any machine available.
Nope.
This, again, it 100% false.
Which is why I didn't say it.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Yep, for all relevant uses.
Nope.
Nope.
Which is why I didn't say it.
Wha?
Go back and read your post. You said:
"$20 gets you a refurbished 80GB hard drive or anywhere from a 2GB set to 4GB stick of RAM that is likely incompatible with any machine. Don't hyperbolize."
Tell me how that is different than what I said you said? I've just proven this statement copied and pasted from your reply as 100% false. You said it. You cannot back away from it.
What, in your opinion, is a relevant use? Even the highest bitrate iTunes copy of a movie has some macroblocking. Blu ray has absolutely none. You're statements are like saying a 140 KB JPEG is as equivalent to a 4 MB RAW file. There is just no way.
Originally Posted by tylersdad
Tell me how that is different than what I said you said?
You said incompatible as a definite. I said likely. Just go to Newegg and see for yourself.
I've just proven this statement copied and pasted from your reply as 100% false. You said it. You cannot back away from it.
What you said is 100% false. Nothing at all incorrect with what I've said.
What, in your opinion, is a relevant use?
Use in any Mac, which is the topic at hand (and of the forum itself). Streaming and iTunes purchases already surpass any disc that can go in any Mac. Therefore removing the optical drive doesn't matter.
Blu ray has absolutely none.
And MORE 'making-things-up'… Really? So Blu-ray is uncompressed 1080p video?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
And MORE 'making-things-up'… Really? So Blu-ray is uncompressed 1080p video?
No, Blu-Ray is not uncompressed, but is is significantly LESS compressed than an iTunes title. The difference in picture quality is obvious. The artefacts in a iTunes movie are often (usually?) very distracting. Severe banding in gradients is the most bothersome characteristic of iTunes video to me.
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Originally Posted by tylersdad
RAM goes bad all the time. Drives go bad all the time. Good luck to you when it happens. If it happens to me, I buy some at Newegg for $20 and spend 5 minutes replacing it.
That's probably a $150 service on one of these devices with the memory glued in.
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Severe banding in gradients is the most bothersome characteristic…
I'm in total agreement. What would fix this? Less compression? Different formats?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'm in total agreement. What would fix this? Less compression? Different formats?
Less compression and different algorithms. You wind up with huge files though so I understand why they made the trade-off. I wouldn't wanna download decent quality files. That's why I think optical discs still have a role to play for a while yet.
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There are several macbooks in use in my family, and several advices. This has been true for the last several years, and I don't recall ANY bad RAM (my machines usually are maxed out, so there is a lot of RAM to possibly go bad).
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I've had RAM go bad on me a few times. It's not frequent or common or unavoidable, like the failure of EVERY SINGLE OPTICAL DRIVE IN EVERY MAC EVER MADE, but it does happen, for me with roughly the same frequency as failed hard drives. Maybe slightly less. It's a bugger when it happens because your machine just starts acting weird and there's no clear evidence what's wrong until you replace it.