Phil Schiller says Apple does with its Macs what PC makers are 'afraid' to do

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  • Reply 81 of 247
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Apple with their much smaller market share in the desktop realm has the luxury of making bold decisions. There's no one making Apple compatible computers but if Dell leaves out something consumers aren't ready to go without out then they'll buy a HP instead.
  • Reply 82 of 247
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
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    I still have 10-15 old VHS cassettes in a drawer somewhere, and I'll be damned if that new iMac doesn't include a slot for my VHS cassette. Apple is really losing it's touch. Steve Jobs would never have done this. No wonder AAPL is down $100 from it's high.

    There's tons of free porn online you know lol
  • Reply 83 of 247
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    There's tons of free porn online you know lol


    Free porn is for Fandroids and teenage virgins, IMO.


     


    I have high porn standards, and if I'm first going to watch something, it'll be 1920x1080, and I don't mind paying around $30 to sign up to a site for a month that gives me super high downloads speeds and a good selection.

  • Reply 84 of 247

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    Originally Posted by newbee View Post


    Why force everyone to buy an internal disc, whether they want one or not .......  when you can easily give 100% of the consumers the choice .... with an external one. So just wtf are you complaining about?



     


    Especially since Apple practically "gives away" the internal HD.

  • Reply 85 of 247
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    Apple with their much smaller market share in the desktop realm has the luxury of making bold decisions. There's no one making Apple compatible computers but if Dell leaves out something consumers aren't ready to go without out then they'll buy a HP instead.


    Jeez Louise, you almost made me shoot coffee out of my nose, haha. .... if you're not in advertising or politics, you should be. That's the best "spin" for "failure to perform" that I've ever seen. Congrats! (btw ... the Apple iMac is the #1 selling desktop computer out there)

  • Reply 86 of 247
    When the original blue iMac was introduced, the lack of floppy drives and serial ports was constantly brought up as a major issue, because these were standard at the time.
    To omit an optical drive should be considerably less controversial, because these drives have become less and less useful: a USB stick does a better job in most cases, and on the rare occasion where you might need one, you can always use a $20 USB model if you don't want to buy Apple's more expensive one.
    Omitting it so you can shrink the computer makes perfect sense to me.
  • Reply 87 of 247
    bugsnwbugsnw Posts: 717member


    I cannot imagine amassing a library of DVD/B-Ray movies and then making backups that I lug around in the chance that the backups are damaged and I have to resort to recopying from my originals.


     


    My largest purchase was the 27-disc DVD set of the tv series King of Queens and hopefully it will be my last. I applaud any and all efforts to move away from spinning plastic. Working with discs of any kind is slow and making backups is even worse.


     


    Bravo to Apple for moving aggressively into the future. There will always be those that are kicking and screaming along the way but eventually, Apple is proven correct.

  • Reply 88 of 247
    rainrain Posts: 538member

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    Originally Posted by tylersdad View Post


    Sure, why put a spinning disc in a computer when we can charge you more for an external one?



     


    Bingo.


    Considering all of Apple's professional software and iLife suite supports cd/dvd burning capabilities as important 'features' and necessary work-flow for video especially - it's pretty naive to think that they aren't aware of how important the media still is.


     


    This is a simple case of form over function - done so that they can market a cool design. Not saying it's right or wrong - but it's the truth.


    Making extra profit on external clutter and adapters is Apple's forte after all.


     


    Dropping firewire for example - it's just one more casualty in the loooooooong list of Apple's revolutionary maverick design choices that result in yet more expensive adapters.


    Is it wrong? Not if your a soccer mom with lots of disposable income. If your a business however - well... that's why they have less then 0.3% business/industry market penetration.


    It reinforces that yes, Apple is a consumer gadget provider - and a good one at that. However, business/industry beware.


     


    Don't listen to the trolls. If Apple's next cut was the display - half the people on this site would call it revolutionary.

  • Reply 89 of 247
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    rain wrote: »
    Bingo.
    Considering all of Apple's professional software and iLife suite supports cd/dvd burning capabilities as important 'features' and necessary work-flow for video especially - it's pretty naive to think that they aren't aware of how important the media still is.

    This is a simple case of form over function - done so that they can market a cool design. Not saying it's right or wrong - but it's the truth.
    Making extra profit on external clutter and adapters is Apple's forte after all.

    Dropping firewire for example - it's just one more casualty in the loooooooong list of Apple's revolutionary maverick design choices that result in yet more expensive adapters.
    Is it wrong? Not if your a soccer mom with lots of disposable income. If your a business however - well... that's why they have less then 0.3% business/industry market penetration.
    It reinforces that yes, Apple is a consumer gadget provider - and a good one at that. However, business/industry beware.

    Don't listen to the trolls. If Apple's next cut was the display - half the people on this site would call it revolutionary.

    This is just crazy talk. Just because optical discs are still popular throughout the world in certain usage cases, like a home BRD player, doesn't mean that it's an ideal option for their products. I personally think they held onto the slow, noisy, large, and power hungry ODDs for a couple years too long;y ou can think they got rid of it decades too soon, but all that matters is how this works for Apple's business. Do you really think Apple won't sell Macs because of they eschewed an obsoleting tech? I don't. Im fact, just like with the floppy drive I think they'll sell more Macs than ever before and take an even larger piece of the profit pie from "PC" vendors (of which they are by far the largest).

    Firewire? Really? How many fucking people are using FireWire today? Is that really something Apple should hold onto despite it being well over 8 years since they first adopted FireWire800. It didn't catch on like they wanted to because USB 2.0 came along. They switched their iDevice to that long ago and now we have Thunderbolt which has none of FireWire's licensing costs or limitations. This is a good thing. You sound like the people that complained when printers moved from parallel cables to USB.
  • Reply 90 of 247
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    newbee wrote: »
    Jeez Louise, you almost made me shoot coffee out of my nose, haha. .... if you're not in advertising or politics, you should be. That's the best "spin" for "failure to perform" that I've ever seen. Congrats! (btw ... the Apple iMac is the #1 selling desktop computer out there)

    But it's not the number one platform. I've had plenty of spinning practice with my girlfriends lol
  • Reply 91 of 247
    For me I still use my dvd drive regularly for a varietyy of functions but I see where Apple's going with it. An external dvd drive is also much easier to repair than an internal one.
  • Reply 92 of 247
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Why use a spinning disc when you can use something that won't fail due to the motion required to use it?

    I'd really like to replace my desktop's 4TB of spinners for SSDs, but that would jeopardise my other interests, hobbies and money-spenders in general.

    In addition, number of laptops - especially small ones - are not being offered with large enough SSD.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm all for SSDs. It is just that they are still not big enough, affordable enough and even much more reliable than spinners to replace them in majority of usage scenarios. But I'm hoping that time will come soon.
  • Reply 93 of 247
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    bugsnw wrote: »
    I cannot imagine amassing a library of DVD/B-Ray movies and then making backups that I lug around in the chance that the backups are damaged and I have to resort to recopying from my originals.

    My largest purchase was the 27-disc DVD set of the tv series King of Queens and hopefully it will be my last. I applaud any and all efforts to move away from spinning plastic. Working with discs of any kind is slow and making backups is even worse.

    Bravo to Apple for moving aggressively into the future. There will always be those that are kicking and screaming along the way but eventually, Apple is proven correct.

    Many now come with a digital copy that can be easily put on a mobile device. Until streaming is as good as a BR there will always be spinning plastic.
  • Reply 94 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post



    [...] but they might surprise me. Just like people buying Blue-Ray DVD's.


     


    I buy my media on optical discs because it's harder for the creator to dictate how and where and when I can view it, unlike the @#$%&!!! DRM-encumbered movies on the iTunes store.

  • Reply 95 of 247
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post





    I'd really like to replace my desktop's 4TB of spinners for SSDs, but that would jeopardise my other interests, hobbies and money-spenders in general.

    In addition, number of laptops - especially small ones - are not being offered with large enough SSD.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm all for SSDs. It is just that they are still not big enough, affordable enough and even much more reliable than spinners to replace them in majority of usage scenarios. But I'm hoping that time will come soon.


    What you say is true, but I think the spinning disk comment was referring to optical media like CDs and DVDs, not hard drives.


     


    SSD's are great, but yeah, it's a bit too expensive for most people to upgrade to SSD only, as terrabytes worth of SSD's would be quite pricey, to put it mildly.


     


    A combination of SSD and traditional drives are the best way to go at the moment.

  • Reply 96 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jeeves Staub View Post




    It isn't difficult to find a Mac-compatible Blu-ray burner.



     


    It *IS*, however, difficult to return one when you find it is NOT Mac-compatible. I bought a Samsung unit from NewEgg based on reviews from Mac users saying it worked for them. For me, it crashes the Mac every singe time I insert a disc. Now I have an expensive paperweight because I didn't give up on finding a way to make it work until after the 7-day return period was up.


     


    The moral of the story seems to be: Plug it in the moment it arrives. If it doesn't "Just work" on the first try, send it back immediately.

  • Reply 97 of 247

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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


     



     


    One more thing, Steve (he opens it up at 4:40, pure classic Apple magic):


     


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    Brilliant!

  • Reply 98 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post



    Anybody who complains about Apple removing the optical drive from the newest iMacs just doesn't get it, and you are not cutting edge enough to be an Apple user. 


     


    That's the second time you've referred to people having to live up to the requirements of being an Apple owner. It's ridiculous. People have work to do. Cutting edge is a very very very very dangerous and expensive place to be when clients are waiting.


     


    What is becoming obvious to more and more of us though is that Apple just doesn't give a shit about that segment of the market because there aren't enough of us. I wouldn't care except that I have a rather sizable investment in software for OSX and I prefer that OS over Windows. I wish Apple would just spin off a "Pro" division to someone else who would be willing to build workstations instead of fashion accessories.

  • Reply 99 of 247
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post



    I can access my Dropbox, for example, from home, work, on the road, etc. From any device. If it's on the web, it's always there. 


     


    Lucky you. I work for a company that's crazy for security so no WiFi. LTE rates for access to my content? No thanks.

  • Reply 100 of 247

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


     


    Still, it's a lot of stuff to fiddle with -- DVDs, cases, blank DVDs, Labels, Blank Cases, marking pen, bag to contain them all -- how many and which ones to take, which ones to leave (always wrong)...  You can't take it [all] with you!   The whole idea of being mobile is to just grab your device and go... the stuff you need will be available in the cloud, wherever you go!



    Well, I travel a lot. Which means I'm in the clouds (the real ones) a lot. Tough to stream your content from the Cloud when you're in the clouds. I could buy movies on iTunes, but why would I pay more for quality inferior to Blu Ray?

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