"This is a huge platform change," Schmidt said. This is of the scale of 20 years ago %u2014 Microsoft versus Apple. We're winning that war pretty clearly now."
---Yea, selling stuff and losing money on each one... Also big problem is that in China, Android is modified to remove Google search and advertising and maps. No money there. LOL
"Of course, while Android controls the lion's share of the smartphone market, its dominant position has not translated into dollar share %u2014 a measure where Apple is the clear winner."
----- And here is a great statement. Apple is pulling in 70 % of the world smartphone profit and 65 % of the internet use. Guess all those Droid phones are just being used to make calls with. LOL
Schmidt, just trolling along his own highway to no where.
YES Because only one company can ever be successful. There can only be one. People do not like competition that why Americans only buy one car, one computer and Toilet paper brand because no two companies can ever be successful. Thats why no one buys Pepsi.
Both of these companies can and will be successful. They do not have to destroy the other to make a profitable business. As an Android Fan I can say this with out feeling bad... But Eric Schmidt has a Chronic case of Foot In Mouth syndrome.
" But Eric Schmidt has a Chronic case of Foot In Mouth syndrome."
If Eric Schmidt doesn't want people to know what he is saying... perhaps he shouldn't be saying it in the first place!
You may want to review AppleInsider's coverage of Apple's falling market share before hitting "Submit" on such posts.
In tablets and smartphones iOS is in steeper decline in a shorter period than MS has experienced on the desktop, where Apple hasn't broken much beyond its all-time-high of 10% back in the '90s.
Apple isn't doomed of course. Far from it. But neither is the company that still controls 70% of computing devices.
About that... Who is responsible for such assumption? PC sales have been flat/declined, and Apple sells per quarter (macs) what they sold per year in 2007. How's that?
Wait, let me get this straight, a FREE OS that is spammed to and sold by every single phone company on the planet, on their entire phone lines spanning dozens of models each, many of which are availble dirt cheap as pay as you go phones, has sold more than an OS available on a single phone model (iPhone) produced by a single company (Apple)? This is earth-shattering.
Schmidt is pretending to be stupid, and saying stupid shit ("we're winning!"), to cloud that fact that Android is losing to Apple, significantly so, in pretty much EVERY single other metric, including actual usage, customer satisfaction, revenue, profit, engagement, appstore sales, developer confidence, etc.
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies. I think my iPhone and iPad are exceptional products, but I hope that Android/WP8/RIM (yes, even RIM) are all strong contenders, such that Apple always has incentive to keep making superior products. And we're fooling ourselves if we think that competitive products don't light a fire under Apple to keep them producing top-notch gear.
Now, if you're all substantial shareholders, such that you get more value out of Apple's market dominance than a pipeline of superior products, that is a totally different situation.
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies.
If you cheat off of someone at university, you get expelled.
If you cheat off of someone in the corporate world, you get people defending their actions and questioning why others want them to go bankrupt.
Seems strange. Maybe we should be giving automatic A's to people that cheat in college.
At the end of the day, Google and Apple are not really competitors. Both have entirely different markets which they address. Microsoft and Google however DO compete for the same type of user (total morons).
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies. I think my iPhone and iPad are exceptional products, but I hope that Android/WP8/RIM (yes, even RIM) are all strong contenders, such that Apple always has incentive to keep making superior products. And we're fooling ourselves if we think that competitive products don't light a fire under Apple to keep them producing top-notch gear.
Now, if you're all substantial shareholders, such that you get more value out of Apple's market dominance than a pipeline of superior products, that is a totally different situation.
Honest question: How come you Google fans never, EVER say, "Google needs competition" in these forums?? Seriously, why? I mean, especially since they are "winning" and all... They always say "Apple needs competition."
He noted that customers are activating more than 1.3 million Android devices every day, while the latest data from Gartner gives Android a 72 percent of the smartphone market, compared to Apple's 14 percent.
"This is a huge platform change," Schmidt said. This is of the scale of 20 years ago ??Microsoft versus Apple. We're winning that war pretty clearly now."
That data was for Q3 2012, which doesn't really factor in the iPhone 5. The 'latest' data should balance things out a bit:
However, it's still not marketshare. It's sales share. People will misinterpret this to mean that 72% of all smartphones out there are Android phones. It's not even close to that.
You may want to review AppleInsider's coverage of Apple's falling market share before hitting "Submit" on such posts.
In tablets and smartphones iOS is in steeper decline in a shorter period than MS has experienced on the desktop, where Apple hasn't broken much beyond its all-time-high of 10% back in the '90s.
Apple isn't doomed of course. Far from it. But neither is the company that still controls 70% of computing devices.
Here's the difference...
Apple's declining market share in its iOS market does not translate to declining number of devices sold. On the contrary, Apple continues to sell record numbers of its iOS devices quarter after quarter.
The same cannot be said of the market for Windows software. The decline is in both market share and Windows PC devices.
... and, of course, MS is in no danger of being doomed... but they had best find a new game because the tipping point could arrive at any time.
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies. I think my iPhone and iPad are exceptional products, but I hope that Android/WP8/RIM (yes, even RIM) are all strong contenders, such that Apple always has incentive to keep making superior products. And we're fooling ourselves if we think that competitive products don't light a fire under Apple to keep them producing top-notch gear.
Now, if you're all substantial shareholders, such that you get more value out of Apple's market dominance than a pipeline of superior products, that is a totally different situation.
Couldn't agree more.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
RE Smartphones - Apple has simply conceded the market by only going after the top end. No range of smartphones (it doesn't really count offering last years at a bit of a discount). No large iPhone for those who do want a big screen (I'd prefer not myself but apparently lots do), no lower priced or mini iPhone. They seem content with making a lot of money on a small market share. But long term it may come back to bite them. Developers will follow marketshare and the iPhones trump card - Apps will be lost. Yes I know, there's iPod touches, and iOS users pay more than Android users, blah, blah. But still ... the balance will tip. Mac verses Windows here we go again. Lawsuits? Deja vue.
RE tablets. Conversely, with the iPad mini, Apple has signalled it wants to stay big in the market. So in the coming year Apple needs to get the iPad mini up to cutting edge in terms of dpi and processor. Cut the price of the current iPad Mini. Introduce a larger iPad. And do some work on iWork now business users have Windows 8 options.
The iPhone 5, Apple's first LTE smartphone, was only released in September but it hasn't taken long for Apple to nab 27% of the global LTE market, according to new data from Strategy Analytics (via Yonhap News).
Apple is second in marketshare to Samsung, which registered 40% marketshare, although Samsung's share actually dropped from 50.9% in the previous quarter as Apple in particular entered the market. LG and Motorola also saw their marketshare take a hit, dropping from 15% each to 9.1% and 6.7% respectively.*The only gain other than Apple was Pantech, who moved from 5.7% to 5.8%.
Strategy Analytics' data shows that global LTE subscriptions has boomed to 50 million devices in 2012, which is a five-fold increase from the estimated 9 million global subscriptions at the end of 2011. Although it's not clear whether the data includes LTE-enabled tablets alongside LTE smartphones, Apple revealed during the announcement of the iPad mini and fourth-generation iPad that their devices would support LTE in more countries.
The LTE market will continue to grow as ABI Research predicts that worldwide shipments of LTE-enabled devices could reach 61 million this year, driven in large part by smartphone owners trading in their 3G phones for LTE-enabled ones.
If you cheat off of someone at university, you get expelled.
If you cheat off of someone in the corporate world, you get people defending their actions and questioning why others want them to go bankrupt.
Seems strange. Maybe we should be giving automatic A's to people that cheat in college.
I'm really not defending nor condemning Google here either way, this is more a commentary on why some consumers want the competitive market to fall apart. Replace Google with any other OS or hardware company, I make the same argument.
But if you do cheat off someone in the corporate world, then you should expect to get sued (like what we see on the patents side). It's not clean, it takes a long time, but it's the best mechanism available at the moment. If indeed Google did effectively steal Android, then let Apple resolve that through the courts, and it will have been a very poor choice for Google. But to the extent it still exists as a viable product, it helps us as Apple consumers.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
RE Smartphones - Apple has simply conceded the market by only going after the top end. No range of smartphones (it doesn't really count offering last years at a bit of a discount). No large iPhone for those who do want a big screen (I'd prefer not myself but apparently lots do), no lower priced or mini iPhone. They seem content with making a lot of money on a small market share. But long term it may come back to bite them. Developers will follow marketshare and the iPhones trump card - Apps will be lost. Yes I know, there's iPod touches, and iOS users pay more than Android users, blah, blah. But still ... the balance will tip. Mac verses Windows here we go again. Lawsuits? Deja vue.
RE tablets. Conversely, with the iPad mini, Apple has signalled it wants to stay big in the market. So in the coming year Apple needs to get the iPad mini up to cutting edge in terms of dpi and processor. Cut the price of the current iPad Mini. Introduce a larger iPad. And do some work on iWork now business users have Windows 8 options.
Yes, just what Apple needs... a better business plan because it is doing so poorly.
By the way... since you don't seem to realize it... iPads are part of the iOS ecosystem.
By the way 2... nobody is screwing you out of more money. If you feel that Android or RIM offers more value for your money then go for it. Nobody is holding your hand to the fire.
By the way 3... your developer argument is really weak. If you were actually well informed you'd know this (hmmm... what am I saying).
Honest question: How come you Google fans never, EVER say, "Google needs competition" in these forums?? Seriously, why? I mean, especially since they are "winning" and all... They always say "Apple needs competition."
It would be tough to label me as a Google fan (never owned an Android phone, but I do own an iPhone, iPad and MBP...). But I would be the first to say that competition urges Google on to make better products for their consumers. So, yes, Google definitely needs competition. Same argument I make for Apple consumers or for any other company. We encourage the death of a competitor and don't realize it hurts us in the long run.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
My disagreement is that we actively choose to purchase those products. Apple doesn't screw us out of anything, we look at the product, and decide that we get more value out of it than the money we need to hand over. We are free to simply not purchase the next phone or go to a competitor.
I'm not even an Apple shareholder but I firmly believe Apple should get every dollar they can out of us because that's the duty the company owes to shareholders.
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---Yea, selling stuff and losing money on each one... Also big problem is that in China, Android is modified to remove Google search and advertising and maps. No money there. LOL
"Of course, while Android controls the lion's share of the smartphone market, its dominant position has not translated into dollar share %u2014 a measure where Apple is the clear winner."
----- And here is a great statement. Apple is pulling in 70 % of the world smartphone profit and 65 % of the internet use. Guess all those Droid phones are just being used to make calls with. LOL
Schmidt, just trolling along his own highway to no where.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
YES Because only one company can ever be successful. There can only be one. People do not like competition that why Americans only buy one car, one computer and Toilet paper brand because no two companies can ever be successful. Thats why no one buys Pepsi.
Both of these companies can and will be successful. They do not have to destroy the other to make a profitable business. As an Android Fan I can say this with out feeling bad... But Eric Schmidt has a Chronic case of Foot In Mouth syndrome.
" But Eric Schmidt has a Chronic case of Foot In Mouth syndrome."
If Eric Schmidt doesn't want people to know what he is saying... perhaps he shouldn't be saying it in the first place!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRulez
You may want to review AppleInsider's coverage of Apple's falling market share before hitting "Submit" on such posts.
In tablets and smartphones iOS is in steeper decline in a shorter period than MS has experienced on the desktop, where Apple hasn't broken much beyond its all-time-high of 10% back in the '90s.
Apple isn't doomed of course. Far from it. But neither is the company that still controls 70% of computing devices.
About that... Who is responsible for such assumption? PC sales have been flat/declined, and Apple sells per quarter (macs) what they sold per year in 2007. How's that?
Wait, let me get this straight, a FREE OS that is spammed to and sold by every single phone company on the planet, on their entire phone lines spanning dozens of models each, many of which are availble dirt cheap as pay as you go phones, has sold more than an OS available on a single phone model (iPhone) produced by a single company (Apple)? This is earth-shattering.
Schmidt is pretending to be stupid, and saying stupid shit ("we're winning!"), to cloud that fact that Android is losing to Apple, significantly so, in pretty much EVERY single other metric, including actual usage, customer satisfaction, revenue, profit, engagement, appstore sales, developer confidence, etc.
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Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies. I think my iPhone and iPad are exceptional products, but I hope that Android/WP8/RIM (yes, even RIM) are all strong contenders, such that Apple always has incentive to keep making superior products. And we're fooling ourselves if we think that competitive products don't light a fire under Apple to keep them producing top-notch gear.
Now, if you're all substantial shareholders, such that you get more value out of Apple's market dominance than a pipeline of superior products, that is a totally different situation.
Originally Posted by wubbus
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies.
If you cheat off of someone at university, you get expelled.
If you cheat off of someone in the corporate world, you get people defending their actions and questioning why others want them to go bankrupt.
Seems strange. Maybe we should be giving automatic A's to people that cheat in college.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrosity
At the end of the day, Google and Apple are not really competitors. Both have entirely different markets which they address. Microsoft and Google however DO compete for the same type of user (total morons).
Best post!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
If you cheat off of someone at university, you get expelled.
If you cheat off of someone in the corporate world, you get people defending their actions and questioning why others want them to go bankrupt.
Seems strange. Maybe we should be giving automatic A's to people that cheat in college.
It escapes me why Americans revere CEO's so much. After a company's founder dies, ~95% of companies eventually go out of business.
Apple, Ford, Boeing, etc., are the exceptions and part of the 5%. Most CEO's are dipsh*ts. And that includes Schmidt.
Honest question: How come you Google fans never, EVER say, "Google needs competition" in these forums?? Seriously, why? I mean, especially since they are "winning" and all... They always say "Apple needs competition."
That data was for Q3 2012, which doesn't really factor in the iPhone 5. The 'latest' data should balance things out a bit:
http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/Global/News/Soaring-iPhone-5-sales-in-US-knock-Android-into-second-place
However, it's still not marketshare. It's sales share. People will misinterpret this to mean that 72% of all smartphones out there are Android phones. It's not even close to that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRulez
You may want to review AppleInsider's coverage of Apple's falling market share before hitting "Submit" on such posts.
In tablets and smartphones iOS is in steeper decline in a shorter period than MS has experienced on the desktop, where Apple hasn't broken much beyond its all-time-high of 10% back in the '90s.
Apple isn't doomed of course. Far from it. But neither is the company that still controls 70% of computing devices.
Here's the difference...
Apple's declining market share in its iOS market does not translate to declining number of devices sold. On the contrary, Apple continues to sell record numbers of its iOS devices quarter after quarter.
The same cannot be said of the market for Windows software. The decline is in both market share and Windows PC devices.
... and, of course, MS is in no danger of being doomed... but they had best find a new game because the tipping point could arrive at any time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher126
It escapes me why Americans revere CEO's so much. After a company's founder dies, ~95% of companies eventually go out of business.
Apple, Ford, Boeing, etc., are the exceptions and part of the 5%. Most CEO's are dipsh*ts. And that includes Schmidt.
Actually, he's a dipschmidt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wubbus
Honest question: Why do so many people (unless ALL of you are shareholders) want to see other OS's or companies fail? Strong competitors fuel good products across all the companies. I think my iPhone and iPad are exceptional products, but I hope that Android/WP8/RIM (yes, even RIM) are all strong contenders, such that Apple always has incentive to keep making superior products. And we're fooling ourselves if we think that competitive products don't light a fire under Apple to keep them producing top-notch gear.
Now, if you're all substantial shareholders, such that you get more value out of Apple's market dominance than a pipeline of superior products, that is a totally different situation.
Couldn't agree more.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
RE Smartphones - Apple has simply conceded the market by only going after the top end. No range of smartphones (it doesn't really count offering last years at a bit of a discount). No large iPhone for those who do want a big screen (I'd prefer not myself but apparently lots do), no lower priced or mini iPhone. They seem content with making a lot of money on a small market share. But long term it may come back to bite them. Developers will follow marketshare and the iPhones trump card - Apps will be lost. Yes I know, there's iPod touches, and iOS users pay more than Android users, blah, blah. But still ... the balance will tip. Mac verses Windows here we go again. Lawsuits? Deja vue.
RE tablets. Conversely, with the iPad mini, Apple has signalled it wants to stay big in the market. So in the coming year Apple needs to get the iPad mini up to cutting edge in terms of dpi and processor. Cut the price of the current iPad Mini. Introduce a larger iPad. And do some work on iWork now business users have Windows 8 options.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1506600
Apple Takes 27% of Global LTE Market
The iPhone 5, Apple's first LTE smartphone, was only released in September but it hasn't taken long for Apple to nab 27% of the global LTE market, according to new data from Strategy Analytics (via Yonhap News).
Apple is second in marketshare to Samsung, which registered 40% marketshare, although Samsung's share actually dropped from 50.9% in the previous quarter as Apple in particular entered the market. LG and Motorola also saw their marketshare take a hit, dropping from 15% each to 9.1% and 6.7% respectively.*The only gain other than Apple was Pantech, who moved from 5.7% to 5.8%.
Strategy Analytics' data shows that global LTE subscriptions has boomed to 50 million devices in 2012, which is a five-fold increase from the estimated 9 million global subscriptions at the end of 2011. Although it's not clear whether the data includes LTE-enabled tablets alongside LTE smartphones, Apple revealed during the announcement of the iPad mini and fourth-generation iPad that their devices would support LTE in more countries.
The LTE market will continue to grow as ABI Research predicts that worldwide shipments of LTE-enabled devices could reach 61 million this year, driven in large part by smartphone owners trading in their 3G phones for LTE-enabled ones.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
If you cheat off of someone at university, you get expelled.
If you cheat off of someone in the corporate world, you get people defending their actions and questioning why others want them to go bankrupt.
Seems strange. Maybe we should be giving automatic A's to people that cheat in college.
I'm really not defending nor condemning Google here either way, this is more a commentary on why some consumers want the competitive market to fall apart. Replace Google with any other OS or hardware company, I make the same argument.
But if you do cheat off someone in the corporate world, then you should expect to get sued (like what we see on the patents side). It's not clean, it takes a long time, but it's the best mechanism available at the moment. If indeed Google did effectively steal Android, then let Apple resolve that through the courts, and it will have been a very poor choice for Google. But to the extent it still exists as a viable product, it helps us as Apple consumers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevt
Couldn't agree more.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
RE Smartphones - Apple has simply conceded the market by only going after the top end. No range of smartphones (it doesn't really count offering last years at a bit of a discount). No large iPhone for those who do want a big screen (I'd prefer not myself but apparently lots do), no lower priced or mini iPhone. They seem content with making a lot of money on a small market share. But long term it may come back to bite them. Developers will follow marketshare and the iPhones trump card - Apps will be lost. Yes I know, there's iPod touches, and iOS users pay more than Android users, blah, blah. But still ... the balance will tip. Mac verses Windows here we go again. Lawsuits? Deja vue.
RE tablets. Conversely, with the iPad mini, Apple has signalled it wants to stay big in the market. So in the coming year Apple needs to get the iPad mini up to cutting edge in terms of dpi and processor. Cut the price of the current iPad Mini. Introduce a larger iPad. And do some work on iWork now business users have Windows 8 options.
Yes, just what Apple needs... a better business plan because it is doing so poorly.
By the way... since you don't seem to realize it... iPads are part of the iOS ecosystem.
By the way 2... nobody is screwing you out of more money. If you feel that Android or RIM offers more value for your money then go for it. Nobody is holding your hand to the fire.
By the way 3... your developer argument is really weak. If you were actually well informed you'd know this (hmmm... what am I saying).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Honest question: How come you Google fans never, EVER say, "Google needs competition" in these forums?? Seriously, why? I mean, especially since they are "winning" and all... They always say "Apple needs competition."
It would be tough to label me as a Google fan (never owned an Android phone, but I do own an iPhone, iPad and MBP...). But I would be the first to say that competition urges Google on to make better products for their consumers. So, yes, Google definitely needs competition. Same argument I make for Apple consumers or for any other company. We encourage the death of a competitor and don't realize it hurts us in the long run.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevt
Couldn't agree more.
It's perverse this "ah, but Apple makes the largest profit" line. This will have shareholders cheering, but Apple charging a lot and screwing me (the customer) out of more money is not something I want to celebrate.
My disagreement is that we actively choose to purchase those products. Apple doesn't screw us out of anything, we look at the product, and decide that we get more value out of it than the money we need to hand over. We are free to simply not purchase the next phone or go to a competitor.
I'm not even an Apple shareholder but I firmly believe Apple should get every dollar they can out of us because that's the duty the company owes to shareholders.