This obviously isn't an iPhone discussion, but I've postulated that Apple could double the resolution of the iPhone 5, stretch it onto a 5 inch screen and have a "Super Retina" display of sorts. 2272 x 1280 pixels is still less than the Retina iPad (2.9 million versus 3.1 million) so such a device could use an A6X and be very speedy and relatively efficient.
How does that sound for a Super iPhone (iPhone X or Pro or whatever they would call it). But I would imagine the price would be $849 or more for the "base" model.
They need the IGZO screen to move to a full HD (1920x1080) bigger iphone. IGZO will allow more pixels with very low power consumption. In the furure I expect Apple to continu to carry the 4" screen and add a bigger model. They may also make a less expensive (but not cheap) iphone for emerging markets.
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
lets just say I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not sure how I feel about Apple upgrading their refresh cycles. Especially when they're not updating software that frequently. It either becomes 'meh' or pisses people off. I suppose its hard to hold back technology but if I purchased a 4th gen iPad and then 6 months later the 5th gen comes out which is thinner and lighter and has even better battery life I'd be pissed. It's not like this stuff is super cheap. And going to a faster refresh cycle would probably bring down the resale value of existing stuff.
thats complete BS. imo you have to be retarded to not expect youre tech toy to be outdated in the near future. I bought the ipad 3 and the ipad 4 refresh didnt bother me at all. On the other hand it keeps new buyers coming and to some degree expand ipad sales until the next refresh.
Imagine if they would have roll out the new mini and no ipad 4 updated. The ipad 3 sales would have completly died down, they ipad mini already outsell the ipad 4 by a factor of 2 to 1.
If Apple starts, "building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon," you can quote me whenever you like.
You'll never be quoting me under those conditions, though. Never. The earth will be destroyed in a collision with an asteroid before your scenario happens.
I see absolutely no reason for the iPhone to follow the resolution of an HDTV.
would be nice to have pixel for pixel airplay. This is a nice feature of the 21.5" 1080p imac, you airplay it pixel for pixel on the TV, retaining desktop size.
dont forget Apple as a "high interest" in the TV space. Iphone apps that match the resolution of a HD TV is a big plus on the app side for both devices.
I don't give a crap about those people who just bought a new iPad 4 or an iPad Mini. Like most people commenting on these articles, my viewpoint is 100% egotistical and I only care about what's good for me.
I need more power, since I need to run some extremely CPU intensive apps, and my iPad 3 is simply not cutting it anymore.
I'll most likely pick up an iPad 5 if it gets released in the spring.
They aren't updating the mini in two months. When you sell out of a product and can't keep them on shelves a full two months after release you aren't going to update it again after two-three more months. It makes no business sense. You meet high demand with availability not major changes. And, I've said this before, as a user of the mini the screen is not that bad. I'm never sitting there using it saying "man I wish this was a retina screen." Pundits just needed something to complain about.
Lastly, the retina iPad did not increase in price from the previous non-retina version, the retina iPhone (4) did not increase in price from the previous non-retina version (3GS), and the retina iPad mini will not increase in price either. The mini will come out in the fall. It will have retina. It will start at $329.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
As I said earlier, I doubt very much that Apple considers, "the resale value of existing stuff," when deciding if and when they are ready to release a new product, nor should they. It's also a ridiculous expectation that they should artificially delay products so that people who bought the previous version can feel properly smug for a good 9-12 months. It's not like purchasing a product comes with some sort of entitlement that no one will have anything better for at least 12 months. They should release new versions when they have something significantly better to offer. You should buy what you need, when you need it. And by doing more frequent releases, Apple would be giving you the best possible value for your money at any given time.
I guess I'm not convinced the public is ready for six-month upgrade cycles. Seems to me the 4th gen is what they wanted the 3rd gen to be and the 5th gen will be what they really wanted the 4th gen to be. One of the reasons I didn't get a 4th gen was the concern there would be a 5th gen right around the corner (they need something to fill the hole in spring 2013). Faster upgrade cycles might make people hold off thinking they can get 6 more months or whatever out of their existing device.
If we get a Spring upgrade all I expect is a case redesign. The new chips for the internals won't be ready till fall.
I know- that was my point. Only a case redesign isn't enough to warrant a change- as significant as that is.
That's why I say the fall for the big iPad. The Mini could get an update when they find a way to get Retina without compromising weight or battery life significantly.
would be nice to have pixel for pixel airplay. This is a nice feature of the 21.5" 1080p imac, you airplay it pixel for pixel on the TV, retaining desktop size.
dont forget Apple as a "high interest" in the TV space. Iphone apps that match the resolution of a HD TV is a big plus on the app side for both devices.
Let's consider this. You don't just want pixel for pixel, you want every pixel utilized. That means you'd want every iOS-based iDevice and every Mac to have the same resolution and aspect ratio. That's just not realistic.
And if Apple does create a TV or creates a digibox for a TV what happens when 4K TVs take off? They probably aren't as far away as people think they are. Remember when we went from SD to HD? That was multiple resolutions and an aspect ratio change. With a 4K TV we're really just talking about 4x as many pixels much like with the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4 which in totality makes it a simpler overall jump. Would we than make the iPod Touch a 4K resolution? Of course not.
There are just too many variances to have the same resolution across the board even if does make AirPlay look a little nicer. But is that an issue for people since they watch movies on their 16:9 HDTVs that have black bars on the top and bottom.
thats complete BS. imo you have to be retarded to not expect youre tech toy to be outdated in the near future. I bought the ipad 3 and the ipad 4 refresh didnt bother me at all. On the other hand it keeps new buyers coming and to some degree expand ipad sales until the next refresh.
Imagine if they would have roll out the new mini and no ipad 4 updated. The ipad 3 sales would have completly died down, they ipad mini already outsell the ipad 4 by a factor of 2 to 1.
Perhaps the mini is outselling the iPad because its thinner and lighter and its a re-design? Or people just really like the smaller form factor. I'm curious how many companies release new hardware on their flagship products every 6 months? I'm assuming if they do they're not re-designed products and are just updating the innards.
I don't give a crap about those people who just bought a new iPad 4 or an iPad Mini. Like most people commenting on these articles, my viewpoint is 100% egotistical and I only care about what's good for me.
I need more power, since I need to run some extremely CPU intensive apps, and my iPad 3 is simply not cutting it anymore.
I'll most likely pick up an iPad 5 if it gets released in the spring.
As rich as you are, why not throw the iPad 3 off the balcony of your penthouse and send your butler to go get a 4?
They absolutly must keep a shorter refresh cycle and above all break the pretictable upgrade patterns to avoid the major dried out of sales ahead of the refresh. They need to find a way to keep sales more constant all year long and dodge the the impossible to meet demand after expected launches.
This might be true of the iPhone lately, and is the one reason I mentioned the iPhone, but it isn't true of the iPad at all. iPad sales are all over the map before and after release dates.
If Apple goes to faster release cycles, they get criticized for "obsoleting" products too quickly. If they only release once a year, they get criticized for going too long between updates. I don't see that they need to be slaves to the calendar. If they can release a new product with significant enhancements, they should do so when they are ready to do it.
I doubt Apple is looking to have two releases per year. I think they are just moving to a more random release of products so as to disrupt their competitors' marketing plans. At one release per year Apple was a sitting target that all other brands could plan their marketing around.
The laptops used to be updated exactly as often as the iPad is becoming. Never had any numbers. Works perfectly fine.
ALL PRODUCTS can be handled perfectly well without artificial numbering.
Exactly. This is exactly what I expect Apple to do, and more or less what they have already done with the iPad by simply calling it the New iPad with the 3rd generation. Once they drop the iPad 2 there will just be the iPad and iPad mini.
Your reasoning here is exactly why I would expect Apple at this point to make a dedicated iPhone mini to sell in the bottom two tiers rather than continue their current model of bumping last years model down a peg, now that the iPhone 5 seems to have achieved a likely parity with future models. Why not just have the iPhone and iPhone mini upgraded every six months as need be without constant rebranding?
Only hold major announcements for the big design/feature changes, exactly the way they do with the Macs. While it may be a big deal to some, routine processor upgrades are downplayed by Apple for the most part, why should this be any different with the iPad and iPhone, as you suggest?
As rich as you are, why not throw the iPad 3 off the balcony of your penthouse and send your butler to go get a 4?
Who said that I was rich? I doubt that it was me, because I'm not. If I wanted an iPad 4, I would have bought one right when it came out. I made a deliberate decision to skip a model, and I am waiting for the iPad 5, before upgrading.
And with the way that AAPL has been behaving lately, I might have to apply for welfare soon and settle for an Android phone or maybe even an Obamaphone, if I qualify.
I guess I'm not convinced the public is ready for six-month upgrade cycles. Seems to me the 4th gen is what they wanted the 3rd gen to be and the 5th gen will be what they really wanted the 4th gen to be. One of the reasons I didn't get a 4th gen was the concern there would be a 5th gen right around the corner (they need something to fill the hole in spring 2013). Faster upgrade cycles might make people hold off thinking they can get 6 more months or whatever out of their existing device.
No, faster upgrade cycles insure that,
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
... Apple would be giving you the best possible value for your money at any given time.
It takes away the "fear" of buying/upgrading, because there's no increased value in waiting. With more unpredictable, possibly more frequent, releases, if you operate under a psychology of waiting for "the right time", you might never buy. For normal (in the psychological sense) people, if there's never a right time, anytime is the right time.
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Originally Posted by blackbook
This obviously isn't an iPhone discussion, but I've postulated that Apple could double the resolution of the iPhone 5, stretch it onto a 5 inch screen and have a "Super Retina" display of sorts. 2272 x 1280 pixels is still less than the Retina iPad (2.9 million versus 3.1 million) so such a device could use an A6X and be very speedy and relatively efficient.
How does that sound for a Super iPhone (iPhone X or Pro or whatever they would call it). But I would imagine the price would be $849 or more for the "base" model.
They need the IGZO screen to move to a full HD (1920x1080) bigger iphone. IGZO will allow more pixels with very low power consumption. In the furure I expect Apple to continu to carry the 4" screen and add a bigger model. They may also make a less expensive (but not cheap) iphone for emerging markets.
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
This will absolutely never happen.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
lets just say I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not sure how I feel about Apple upgrading their refresh cycles. Especially when they're not updating software that frequently. It either becomes 'meh' or pisses people off. I suppose its hard to hold back technology but if I purchased a 4th gen iPad and then 6 months later the 5th gen comes out which is thinner and lighter and has even better battery life I'd be pissed. It's not like this stuff is super cheap. And going to a faster refresh cycle would probably bring down the resale value of existing stuff.
thats complete BS. imo you have to be retarded to not expect youre tech toy to be outdated in the near future. I bought the ipad 3 and the ipad 4 refresh didnt bother me at all. On the other hand it keeps new buyers coming and to some degree expand ipad sales until the next refresh.
Imagine if they would have roll out the new mini and no ipad 4 updated. The ipad 3 sales would have completly died down, they ipad mini already outsell the ipad 4 by a factor of 2 to 1.
I see absolutely no reason for the iPhone to follow the resolution of an HDTV.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
This will absolutely never happen.
Can I quote you next week?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Can I quote you next week?
If Apple starts, "building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon," you can quote me whenever you like.
You'll never be quoting me under those conditions, though. Never. The earth will be destroyed in a collision with an asteroid before your scenario happens.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I see absolutely no reason for the iPhone to follow the resolution of an HDTV.
would be nice to have pixel for pixel airplay. This is a nice feature of the 21.5" 1080p imac, you airplay it pixel for pixel on the TV, retaining desktop size.
dont forget Apple as a "high interest" in the TV space. Iphone apps that match the resolution of a HD TV is a big plus on the app side for both devices.
Sounds good to me!
I don't give a crap about those people who just bought a new iPad 4 or an iPad Mini. Like most people commenting on these articles, my viewpoint is 100% egotistical and I only care about what's good for me.
I need more power, since I need to run some extremely CPU intensive apps, and my iPad 3 is simply not cutting it anymore.
I'll most likely pick up an iPad 5 if it gets released in the spring.
Originally Posted by herbapou
Can I quote you next week?
"Building devices for other companies under their branding"?
You can quote him until the freaking heat death of the Universe. Quote ME, too!
They aren't updating the mini in two months. When you sell out of a product and can't keep them on shelves a full two months after release you aren't going to update it again after two-three more months. It makes no business sense. You meet high demand with availability not major changes. And, I've said this before, as a user of the mini the screen is not that bad. I'm never sitting there using it saying "man I wish this was a retina screen." Pundits just needed something to complain about.
Lastly, the retina iPad did not increase in price from the previous non-retina version, the retina iPhone (4) did not increase in price from the previous non-retina version (3GS), and the retina iPad mini will not increase in price either. The mini will come out in the fall. It will have retina. It will start at $329.
EDIT: Had to edit to respond to this:
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Originally Posted by herbapou
The thing I would also love them to do is to start building iOS phones for others, like facebook, yahoo, amazon, ... This would be a nice way to expand the part of ecosystem (like apps) and still turn a profit out of it.
There is no way in sam hell Apple would do that.
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Originally Posted by blackbook
If we get a Spring upgrade all I expect is a case redesign. The new chips for the internals won't be ready till fall.
I know- that was my point. Only a case redesign isn't enough to warrant a change- as significant as that is.
That's why I say the fall for the big iPad. The Mini could get an update when they find a way to get Retina without compromising weight or battery life significantly.
Let's consider this. You don't just want pixel for pixel, you want every pixel utilized. That means you'd want every iOS-based iDevice and every Mac to have the same resolution and aspect ratio. That's just not realistic.
And if Apple does create a TV or creates a digibox for a TV what happens when 4K TVs take off? They probably aren't as far away as people think they are. Remember when we went from SD to HD? That was multiple resolutions and an aspect ratio change. With a 4K TV we're really just talking about 4x as many pixels much like with the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4 which in totality makes it a simpler overall jump. Would we than make the iPod Touch a 4K resolution? Of course not.
There are just too many variances to have the same resolution across the board even if does make AirPlay look a little nicer. But is that an issue for people since they watch movies on their 16:9 HDTVs that have black bars on the top and bottom.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Sounds good to me!
I don't give a crap about those people who just bought a new iPad 4 or an iPad Mini. Like most people commenting on these articles, my viewpoint is 100% egotistical and I only care about what's good for me.
I need more power, since I need to run some extremely CPU intensive apps, and my iPad 3 is simply not cutting it anymore.
I'll most likely pick up an iPad 5 if it gets released in the spring.
As rich as you are, why not throw the iPad 3 off the balcony of your penthouse and send your butler to go get a 4?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
They absolutly must keep a shorter refresh cycle and above all break the pretictable upgrade patterns to avoid the major dried out of sales ahead of the refresh. They need to find a way to keep sales more constant all year long and dodge the the impossible to meet demand after expected launches.
This might be true of the iPhone lately, and is the one reason I mentioned the iPhone, but it isn't true of the iPad at all. iPad sales are all over the map before and after release dates.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
If Apple goes to faster release cycles, they get criticized for "obsoleting" products too quickly. If they only release once a year, they get criticized for going too long between updates. I don't see that they need to be slaves to the calendar. If they can release a new product with significant enhancements, they should do so when they are ready to do it.
I doubt Apple is looking to have two releases per year. I think they are just moving to a more random release of products so as to disrupt their competitors' marketing plans. At one release per year Apple was a sitting target that all other brands could plan their marketing around.
Your reasoning here is exactly why I would expect Apple at this point to make a dedicated iPhone mini to sell in the bottom two tiers rather than continue their current model of bumping last years model down a peg, now that the iPhone 5 seems to have achieved a likely parity with future models. Why not just have the iPhone and iPhone mini upgraded every six months as need be without constant rebranding?
Only hold major announcements for the big design/feature changes, exactly the way they do with the Macs. While it may be a big deal to some, routine processor upgrades are downplayed by Apple for the most part, why should this be any different with the iPad and iPhone, as you suggest?
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Originally Posted by Andysol
As rich as you are, why not throw the iPad 3 off the balcony of your penthouse and send your butler to go get a 4?
Who said that I was rich? I doubt that it was me, because I'm not. If I wanted an iPad 4, I would have bought one right when it came out. I made a deliberate decision to skip a model, and I am waiting for the iPad 5, before upgrading.
And with the way that AAPL has been behaving lately, I might have to apply for welfare soon and settle for an Android phone or maybe even an Obamaphone, if I qualify.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I guess I'm not convinced the public is ready for six-month upgrade cycles. Seems to me the 4th gen is what they wanted the 3rd gen to be and the 5th gen will be what they really wanted the 4th gen to be. One of the reasons I didn't get a 4th gen was the concern there would be a 5th gen right around the corner (they need something to fill the hole in spring 2013). Faster upgrade cycles might make people hold off thinking they can get 6 more months or whatever out of their existing device.
No, faster upgrade cycles insure that,
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
... Apple would be giving you the best possible value for your money at any given time.
It takes away the "fear" of buying/upgrading, because there's no increased value in waiting. With more unpredictable, possibly more frequent, releases, if you operate under a psychology of waiting for "the right time", you might never buy. For normal (in the psychological sense) people, if there's never a right time, anytime is the right time.