Cannibalization of the iPhone never really happened before. Although Apple never gives sales breakdowns by individual iPhone model... most estimates are that the current flagship model represents 85-90% of sales.
In other words... whenever there is a "good, better, best" lineup.... the "best" is the leader.
Right now the on-contract prices are $0, $100, $200... or off-contract $450, $550, $650. It will be interesting to see how much the new "big" iPhone will cost. Will it slide in at the same price as the iPhone 5 today?
Another thing to consider... this might be the perfect time to release a bigger (again) iPhone:
4.8" iPhone whatever
4.0" iPhone 5
3.5" iPhone 4S
That's a nice lineup right there 8-)
That would be a solid lineup
The only reason the cheaper iPhones don't have a high penetration now is because they're old
If Apple had an all new product on the bottom we'd see a whole different picture.
Probably a scenario close to that of the iPad Mini and iPod Nano. Honestly I don't think Apple wants to cut the profits of their flagship product so they'll probably tread very carefully on the low end.
On the high end if Apple made a larger more expensive iPhone I think a lot of people would buy that instead of the classic iPhone.
Apple may prefer that though if they can get higher margins (ie higher profit) per sale of iPhone "Maths".
Anyway I agree now is the perfect time to add new iPhone models. Not too soon and far from too late.
If there is a stupid device called the iPhone Math I think we should all call it the <font face="Times">?</font>Phone. Maybe it's really a 3.14" phone.
iPhone Math is a good name because if they start releasing all these differ versions and sizes and colors, there are going to be so many numbers out there... Steve had it right, build a great product and the sales will take care of themselves. Let android fragment itself, don't try to copy it. It is like the late 80's again at Apple.
It's 'like the 80's again Apple' because of some shitty, unsubstantiated rumor with no basis in reality? I love how often people like you bash Apple bcause of things that exist only in fiction. Here, I'll give you another rumor: Apple will go out of business next month. Well, guess they had a good run eh?
Apple has a history of making high quality, low cost products - eMac, iPod Nano, iBook. If they release a larger phone it would probably be a non-retina screen, and something similar to the iPad Mini.
No. If a larger iPhone comes out it will be more expensive than the classic model. If a smaller model comes out it will be cheaper than the classic model.
That's just how it goes. You're not gonna see larger and cheaper. That's not Apple's M.O.
Stupid fandroids say that all apple users are sheeps that always buy the latest model no matter what and they are ignorants (they are right, to some extent. Some iPhone users are like that).
I say the large majority of highend android phone buyers are stupid and ignorant, and I'm right. There's no logical reason to buy a galaxy s3, and it is by far the best selling android phone. They think their phones are more advanced (hardware wise) and fast/powerful and they know nothing about hardware/software combo and how that makes the iPhone much faster/powerful than any android device being used today.
Then you read the first coments of that page, and it is priceless and describes very well the majority of s3 and note users:
- I already have note 1 and 2, and i will definitely buy this one.
- Bigger screen? OMG... I don't like that, but i will still buy it (note 2 user).
That's the typical android user that buys highend android phones. Dumb, stupid, idiots, ignorants etc.
That's the reason the new model sells 90%. The others, no matter how good, are 1 year old +.
People (especially PAYG users but even contract users) do not like that. They cost almost the same as the new one but they are old.
If 10 people are looking for a cheaper model, the majority won't pay more for the new phone, they will buy something that's new and costs less, even if it's worse... if not, they wouldn't be looking for something cheaper first.
New models (even with inferior hardware.. same hardware.. but NEW) will sell much better.
Apple is losing millions of potential costumers because of this.
If someone is going to spent 500 euros on a phone, will they buy the iphone 4 (that's what it costs)? Of course not. If someone pays 80$ per month and the iPhone 5 costs 199 but they are looking for something cheaper, will they settle for 1 or 2 or even 3 year old phones? of course not, at least for the majority.
If Apple wants more marketshare, they must produce NEW models. (that's the mentality of most costumers).
I hope this rumor is true, a 4.8" iPhone is exactly what I have been waiting for. I'm sure they got the name wrong though. This will be hugely popular and I am betting will easily outsell a smaller version.
I hope this rumor is true, a 4.8" iPhone is exactly what I have been waiting for. I'm sure they got the name wrong though. This will be hugely popular and I am betting will easily outsell a smaller version.
Won't you be upset if it has a 1136x640 display? What if it doesn't have an SD card slot, slide out keyboard, mini-USB, or micro-HDMi?
That's the reason the new model sells 90%. The others, no matter how good, are 1 year old +.
People (especially PAYG users but even contract users) do not like that. They cost almost the same as the new one but they are old.
If 10 people are looking for a cheaper model, the majority won't pay more for the new phone, they will buy something that's new and costs less, even if it's worse... if not, they wouldn't be looking for something cheaper first.
New models (even with inferior hardware.. same hardware.. but NEW) will sell much better. Apple is losing millions of potential costumers because of this.
If someone is going to spent 500 euros on a phone, will they buy the iphone 4 (that's what it costs)? Of course not. If someone pays 80$ per month and the iPhone 5 costs 199 but they are looking for something cheaper, will they settle for 1 or 2 or even 3 year old phones? of course not, at least for the majority.
If Apple wants more marketshare, they must produce NEW models. (that's the mentality of most costumers).
Well yeah... I didn't say why the newest iPhone is the best selling in the lineup. I just said that it was.
You're right... it is because the cheaper models are "old"
I never mentioned anything about attracting other customers. But you're right. If Apple wants to gain market share or sell to a more diverse group of people... then yeah.... they have to make new phones that are also more affordable.
But that's not what I was talking about originally. Good point, though
Won't you be upset if it has a 1136x640 display? What if it doesn't have an SD card slot, slide out keyboard, mini-USB, or micro-HDMi?
Nope and never requested any of those things. You are the DPI queen with all those useless calculations everyone always ignores and rightly so. If this rumor turns out to be true, you and several other notable naysayers here will have a lot of crow to eat. Assuming you can eat any more. You are probably full or at least full of it after all your past "Apple will never...." predictions that flopped. The iPad mini and iPhone 5 just to name the most recent. For someone who thinks he channels the spirit of Steve Jobs you sure are wrong an awful lot.
Nope and never requested any of those things. You are the DPI queen with all those useless calculations everyone always ignores and rightly so. If this rumor turns out to be true, you and several other notable naysayers here will have a lot of crow to eat. Assuming you can eat any more. You are probably full or at least full of it after all your past "Apple will never...." predictions that flopped. The iPad mini and iPhone 5 just to name the most recent. For someone who thinks he channels the spirit of Steve Jobs you sure are wrong an awful lot.
Oh yeah? I'd love to see some of these comments I've made where I said something will never happen. If anyone on this forum writes in terms of absolute terms that they can't back up it's you and a few your ilk.
As for calculations, we clearly have precedence for Apple wanting to use well worn production and components across multiple products to reduce costs as well limit the amount of radical change to the UI to make it easier for developers and better for users. If you think they are incorrect or think you can make a case for Apple going against the grain then prove otherwise but I can't recall a time when you've actually tried to participate in anything other than cocking up a thread with your whining.
This is what you wrote recently: "Perhaps the iPad Mini 2 and a larger iPhone could share the same resolution size. I think 1920x1080 would be perfect for both." Sounds like a request to me. On top of that you pooh-poohed Apple's careful and planned resolution transitions and stated they don't care about developer or user input. Not a big jump to infer 1080p is better for the iPhone and iPad and that you think Apple should match HDTV resolution -AND- aspect ratio. Perhaps you might want to choose your words more carefully next time... and for once.
Oh yeah? I'd love to see some of these comments I've made where I said something will never happen.
I'd love to see some of those comments where I requested a slide out KB, micro USB or HDMI.
A micro SD slot would be useful since I have a ton of music, apps, photos, and video and I need 128GB. But it is not a deal breaker for me. The only deal killer I have ever mentioned is the screen size. I don't care what resolution it includes and trust Apple. Some new Android phones have 1080P resolutions and they look great but all I care about is the screen size and know Apple will get it right.
You on the other hand and a few of your minions have viciously attacked anyone who dared hope for a larger screen iPhone as imbecilic. You might not have said the word never, but you sure came damned close and certainly expressed it as extremely unlikely and a huge mistake. I thought it was inevitable and a very wise move. Time will tell who was correct.
I'd love to see some of those comments where I requested a slide out KB, micro USB or HDMI.
I made a query. I never said you stated that. However, it does seem like the sort of thing you would request and complain about for not being on an Apple product.
A micro SD slot would be useful since I have a ton of music, apps, photos, and video and I need 128GB. But it is not a deal breaker for me. The only deal killer I have ever mentioned is the screen size. I don't care what resolution it includes and trust Apple. Some new Android phones have 1080P resolutions and they look great but all I care about is the screen size and know Apple will get it right.
See, that's what I"m talking about, hence my query.
You on the other hand and a few of your minions have viciously attacked anyone who dared hope for a larger screen iPhone as imbecilic. You might not have said the word never, but you sure came damned close and certainly expressed it as extremely unlikely and a huge mistake. I thought it was inevitable and a very wise move. Time will tell who was correct.
Not only have I not attacked anyone but I've actually made a technical and economic case for a larger iPhone that actually took a rational approach (as opposed to being emotion drive), consideration of the pros and cons, and some mathematical calculations to complete two possible paths based on Apple's historical patterns.
Note these scenarios I made in favour of the larger device you attacked me for in this thread. What have you done except lie, contradict yourself, and make yourself look like even more of an ass than usual?
I'm gonna guess that that iPhone Math maybe the product of either a translation error and/or some poor schmuck with a heavy lisp. lol See? iPhone Max becomes iPhone Math, eathy ath pie!
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That would be a solid lineup
The only reason the cheaper iPhones don't have a high penetration now is because they're old
If Apple had an all new product on the bottom we'd see a whole different picture.
Probably a scenario close to that of the iPad Mini and iPod Nano. Honestly I don't think Apple wants to cut the profits of their flagship product so they'll probably tread very carefully on the low end.
On the high end if Apple made a larger more expensive iPhone I think a lot of people would buy that instead of the classic iPhone.
Apple may prefer that though if they can get higher margins (ie higher profit) per sale of iPhone "Maths".
Anyway I agree now is the perfect time to add new iPhone models. Not too soon and far from too late.
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Originally Posted by Ryan Maxwell
iPhone Math is a good name because if they start releasing all these differ versions and sizes and colors, there are going to be so many numbers out there... Steve had it right, build a great product and the sales will take care of themselves. Let android fragment itself, don't try to copy it. It is like the late 80's again at Apple.
It's 'like the 80's again Apple' because of some shitty, unsubstantiated rumor with no basis in reality? I love how often people like you bash Apple bcause of things that exist only in fiction. Here, I'll give you another rumor: Apple will go out of business next month. Well, guess they had a good run eh?
No. If a larger iPhone comes out it will be more expensive than the classic model. If a smaller model comes out it will be cheaper than the classic model.
That's just how it goes. You're not gonna see larger and cheaper. That's not Apple's M.O.
I believe that
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Originally Posted by paxman
Puck shaped.
The iPhuck
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Sorry, Apple, but you will never keep up to Samsung in the size game...
http://phandroid.com/2013/01/16/galaxy-note-3-exynos/
(... and I hope to hell you never try)
Do you know what i love about that link?
Stupid fandroids say that all apple users are sheeps that always buy the latest model no matter what and they are ignorants (they are right, to some extent. Some iPhone users are like that).
I say the large majority of highend android phone buyers are stupid and ignorant, and I'm right. There's no logical reason to buy a galaxy s3, and it is by far the best selling android phone. They think their phones are more advanced (hardware wise) and fast/powerful and they know nothing about hardware/software combo and how that makes the iPhone much faster/powerful than any android device being used today.
Then you read the first coments of that page, and it is priceless and describes very well the majority of s3 and note users:
- I already have note 1 and 2, and i will definitely buy this one.
- Bigger screen? OMG... I don't like that, but i will still buy it (note 2 user).
That's the typical android user that buys highend android phones. Dumb, stupid, idiots, ignorants etc.
These are just the first posts.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
4.8" iPhone whatever
4.0" iPhone 5
3.5" iPhone 4S
That's a nice lineup right there
no no no no.
That's the reason the new model sells 90%. The others, no matter how good, are 1 year old +.
People (especially PAYG users but even contract users) do not like that. They cost almost the same as the new one but they are old.
If 10 people are looking for a cheaper model, the majority won't pay more for the new phone, they will buy something that's new and costs less, even if it's worse... if not, they wouldn't be looking for something cheaper first.
New models (even with inferior hardware.. same hardware.. but NEW) will sell much better.
Apple is losing millions of potential costumers because of this.
If someone is going to spent 500 euros on a phone, will they buy the iphone 4 (that's what it costs)? Of course not. If someone pays 80$ per month and the iPhone 5 costs 199 but they are looking for something cheaper, will they settle for 1 or 2 or even 3 year old phones? of course not, at least for the majority.
If Apple wants more marketshare, they must produce NEW models. (that's the mentality of most costumers).
I hope this rumor is true, a 4.8" iPhone is exactly what I have been waiting for. I'm sure they got the name wrong though. This will be hugely popular and I am betting will easily outsell a smaller version.
Won't you be upset if it has a 1136x640 display? What if it doesn't have an SD card slot, slide out keyboard, mini-USB, or micro-HDMi?
Well yeah... I didn't say why the newest iPhone is the best selling in the lineup. I just said that it was.
You're right... it is because the cheaper models are "old"
I never mentioned anything about attracting other customers. But you're right. If Apple wants to gain market share or sell to a more diverse group of people... then yeah.... they have to make new phones that are also more affordable.
But that's not what I was talking about originally. Good point, though
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Won't you be upset if it has a 1136x640 display? What if it doesn't have an SD card slot, slide out keyboard, mini-USB, or micro-HDMi?
Nope and never requested any of those things. You are the DPI queen with all those useless calculations everyone always ignores and rightly so. If this rumor turns out to be true, you and several other notable naysayers here will have a lot of crow to eat. Assuming you can eat any more. You are probably full or at least full of it after all your past "Apple will never...." predictions that flopped. The iPad mini and iPhone 5 just to name the most recent. For someone who thinks he channels the spirit of Steve Jobs you sure are wrong an awful lot.
Oh yeah? I'd love to see some of these comments I've made where I said something will never happen. If anyone on this forum writes in terms of absolute terms that they can't back up it's you and a few your ilk.
As for calculations, we clearly have precedence for Apple wanting to use well worn production and components across multiple products to reduce costs as well limit the amount of radical change to the UI to make it easier for developers and better for users. If you think they are incorrect or think you can make a case for Apple going against the grain then prove otherwise but I can't recall a time when you've actually tried to participate in anything other than cocking up a thread with your whining.
This is what you wrote recently: "Perhaps the iPad Mini 2 and a larger iPhone could share the same resolution size. I think 1920x1080 would be perfect for both." Sounds like a request to me. On top of that you pooh-poohed Apple's careful and planned resolution transitions and stated they don't care about developer or user input. Not a big jump to infer 1080p is better for the iPhone and iPad and that you think Apple should match HDTV resolution -AND- aspect ratio. Perhaps you might want to choose your words more carefully next time... and for once.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Oh yeah? I'd love to see some of these comments I've made where I said something will never happen.
I'd love to see some of those comments where I requested a slide out KB, micro USB or HDMI.
A micro SD slot would be useful since I have a ton of music, apps, photos, and video and I need 128GB. But it is not a deal breaker for me. The only deal killer I have ever mentioned is the screen size. I don't care what resolution it includes and trust Apple. Some new Android phones have 1080P resolutions and they look great but all I care about is the screen size and know Apple will get it right.
You on the other hand and a few of your minions have viciously attacked anyone who dared hope for a larger screen iPhone as imbecilic. You might not have said the word never, but you sure came damned close and certainly expressed it as extremely unlikely and a huge mistake. I thought it was inevitable and a very wise move. Time will tell who was correct.
I made a query. I never said you stated that. However, it does seem like the sort of thing you would request and complain about for not being on an Apple product.
See, that's what I"m talking about, hence my query.
Not only have I not attacked anyone but I've actually made a technical and economic case for a larger iPhone that actually took a rational approach (as opposed to being emotion drive), consideration of the pros and cons, and some mathematical calculations to complete two possible paths based on Apple's historical patterns.
Note these scenarios I made in favour of the larger device you attacked me for in this thread. What have you done except lie, contradict yourself, and make yourself look like even more of an ass than usual?
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Sorry, Apple, but you will never keep up to Samsung in the size game...
http://phandroid.com/2013/01/16/galaxy-note-3-exynos/
(... and I hope to hell you never try)
Soon they won't have to. iPad mini will about do the needful.
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