What will be faster? Syncing times? No. You can add a Thunderbolt port and it wouldn't change anything until the NAND bottleneck is resolved past USB 2.0 speeds.
I have seen quite number of reviews on iPhone 5 and HTC One. Yes, they have awesome looks. But, would they be out there without cases? I have never seen an iPhone 5 without a case (all with hard plastic, part metal, TPU or sillicon case.....all ugly). How would HTC One be with cases?
I prefer plastic body, but I think Sammy would have to go with some form of metal for the next Galaxy.
Someone who actually believes a MicroUSB port on iDevices, jump in here. I can only imagine what you believe so far…
And why do you think a micro-USB port is inherently faster than a Lightning port? Remember that the 30-pin iPod Dock Connector and Lightning ports both use USB signaling. It sounds like you're saying that no iDevice could possibly have a USB 3.0 chipset if it has a Lightning port.
And why this desire for the iPhone 5 to have a USB 3.0 chipset? Did any other vendor even offer a USB 3.0 chipset in a smartphone to make people say "Apple should it too"? The Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note II only had the Exynos 4 SoCs with USB 3.0 only coming as part of the chipset with Exynos 5, but that doesn't mean it'll be 1) enabled in a smartphone with a single NAND chip, and 2) if it, will speed up syncing.
I have seen quite number of reviews on iPhone 5 and HTC One. Yes, they have awesome looks. But, would they be out there without cases? I have never seen an iPhone 5 without a case (all with hard plastic, part metal, TPU or sillicon case.....all ugly). How would HTC One be with cases?
I prefer plastic body, but I think Sammy would have to go with some form of metal for the next Galaxy.
There is plastic and then there is plastic. The Nokia polycarbonate (as in Lumia 920) feels great, and needs no case (you can throw the Nokia from low flying airplanes with no damage), the samsung plastic (whatever it is) feels a bit flimsy. To be fair, I never used a case with my iPhone until I got a Mophie battery case (which I got for the battery, not for protection), and never had any problem, despite being quite hard on the phone.
There is plastic and then there is plastic. The Nokia polycarbonate (as in Lumia 920) feels great, and needs no case (you can throw the Nokia from low flying airplanes with no damage), the samsung plastic (whatever it is) feels a bit flimsy. To be fair, I never used a case with my iPhone until I got a Mophie battery case (which I got for the battery, not for protection), and never had any problem, despite being quite hard on the phone.
I've always wondered if Samsung plastic would look as cheap if it was matte instead of glossy. The Nokia's look real nice as does the HTC One X. My sister's SGS3 looks nice IMO but the gloss looks super duper cheap. It may be a quality thing too as the 3G/3GS plastic was glossy but still looked better.
Then again the 4 and the 4S glass front and back looked and felt better than my Nexus 4S glass. Not better but sturdier.
If Samsung get their build quality and design out if the Asian gutter and somewhere near western quality they will push Apple into a small corner of the Asian market. Since Apple is so slow to release that a large screen size is very important in Asia, Samsung will complete their already considerable cleanup of Apple's market share if they add quality.
I assume from your location that you are familiar with things asian, so given HTC's and Sony's very nice hardware (granted, Sony software is not all it could be), "Asian gutter" is a bit misguided, no?
Misguided? Doesn't make sense really. Samsung has the cool factor that Apple once had in Asia. The Asian gutter refers to the inability of people here to do anything classy or creative of their own. HTC has no special reputation at all. Sony is like I fear Apple is going, once great now ..ho hum...Western style and quality is king generally. Samsung, as I said, has the cool factor so all they need is the perception of high end quality and they will be unstoppable. The other thing, I would add, is that Apple's product refresh cycle is too slow for here.
Misguided? Doesn't make sense really. Samsung has the cool factor that Apple once had in Asia. The Asian gutter refers to the inability of people here to do anything classy or creative of their own. HTC has no special reputation at all. Sony is like I fear Apple is going, once great now ..ho hum...Western style and quality is king generally. Samsung, as I said, has the cool factor so all they need is the perception of high end quality and they will be unstoppable. The other thing, I would add, is that Apple's product refresh cycle is too slow for here.
Ah OK, I had assumed you meant "low quality" by "Asian gutter", but you had meant something else...
And why do you think a micro-USB port is inherently faster than a Lightning port? Remember that the 30-pin iPod Dock Connector and Lightning ports both use USB signaling. It sounds like you're saying that no iDevice could possibly have a USB 3.0 chipset if it has a Lightning port.
And why this desire for the iPhone 5 to have a USB 3.0 chipset? Did any other vendor even offer a USB 3.0 chipset in a smartphone to make people say "Apple should it too"? The Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note II only had the Exynos 4 SoCs with USB 3.0 only coming as part of the chipset with Exynos 5, but that doesn't mean it'll be 1) enabled in a smartphone with a single NAND chip, and 2) if it, will speed up syncing.
Hey SolipsX, TS was being sarcastic... he was answering for igriv, if I read it correctly. His answers were all in quotes.
I actually had a question. You answer every post with a lot of patience and restraint. At what point of time do you just give up? I can't go for more than 3-4 posts of sheer garbage before I throw the poster(?) into the ignore list. And that's when they are actually talking to someone else!
No, only to inflate its margins. You want proof? iPad 1, revolutionary as it was, did not have a fucking camera. None. iPad mini does not have a retina display. iPhones 1-4 did not have LTE, which was a major selling point of the 5, two years after everyone else, all of the above serving to suck every possible dollar out of its customers.
I'm pretty sure that was a strategic decision. If they had stuffed everything into iPad 1, there would be nothing going for the iPad 2. It's been the Apple way for ALL their products - ever since 1997. Their strategy is to focus on the fewest product lines possible, and update them yearly. Of course they have to think extra carefully what and what not to include every year, as their whole business depends on those few products.
"Well, we were copying Apple when we ran out of time and half-azzed a plastic back cover because our customers are too stupid to notice. Wait, you mean we still can't match Apple's profitability? Well, what can we steal next?"
Hey SolipsX, TS was being sarcastic... he was answering for igriv, if I read it correctly. His answers were all in quotes.
I actually had a question. You answer every post with a lot of patience and restraint. At what point of time do you just give up? I can't go for more than 3-4 posts of sheer garbage before I throw the poster(?) into the ignore list. And that's when they are actually talking to someone else!
1) Ah. I didn't catch that.
2) Funny. The people I respond to don't think I am patient or have restraint.
I can't believe all the polite, well-intentioned responses in this thread to a guy who's totally off his meds (at least, I hope that's what it is, for the sake of the people around him).
I'm pretty sure that was a strategic decision. If they had stuffed everything into iPad 1, there would be nothing going for the iPad 2. It's been the Apple way for ALL their products - ever since 1997. Their strategy is to focus on the fewest product lines possible, and update them yearly. Of course they have to think extra carefully what and what not to include every year, as their whole business depends on those few products.
It very well could have been strategic as they plan out new models but we also need to consider the cost of adding more complexity to a device. We always hear something like 'that component only costs a 30¢" and maybe it doesn't but it consider the cost design that component into the device, all the supporting components, the drivers, the OS software, the testing, and other costs involved. It makes sense to focus your goals and only build out once you've mastered the others. I think Apple should have applied that to scaling iCloud in features and users.
If Samsung get their build quality and design out if the Asian gutter and somewhere near western quality they will push Apple into a small corner of the Asian market. Since Apple is so slow to release that a large screen size is very important in Asia, Samsung will complete their already considerable cleanup of Apple's market share if they add quality.
Do you remember the old days of the iPhone 3G, when Apple was slow to realise that a stylus was very important in Asia?
The bulk of Android phones being sold in Asia are small screen, cheap and basic, just like everywhere else.
Android IS small, cheap, basic with a smattering of higher end handsets, don't forget that.
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What will be faster? Syncing times? No. You can add a Thunderbolt port and it wouldn't change anything until the NAND bottleneck is resolved past USB 2.0 speeds.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
What will be faster?
"Syncing."
Someone who actually believes a MicroUSB port on iDevices, jump in here. I can only imagine what you believe so far…
I have seen quite number of reviews on iPhone 5 and HTC One. Yes, they have awesome looks. But, would they be out there without cases? I have never seen an iPhone 5 without a case (all with hard plastic, part metal, TPU or sillicon case.....all ugly). How would HTC One be with cases?
I prefer plastic body, but I think Sammy would have to go with some form of metal for the next Galaxy.
And why do you think a micro-USB port is inherently faster than a Lightning port? Remember that the 30-pin iPod Dock Connector and Lightning ports both use USB signaling. It sounds like you're saying that no iDevice could possibly have a USB 3.0 chipset if it has a Lightning port.
And why this desire for the iPhone 5 to have a USB 3.0 chipset? Did any other vendor even offer a USB 3.0 chipset in a smartphone to make people say "Apple should it too"? The Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note II only had the Exynos 4 SoCs with USB 3.0 only coming as part of the chipset with Exynos 5, but that doesn't mean it'll be 1) enabled in a smartphone with a single NAND chip, and 2) if it, will speed up syncing.
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Originally Posted by hjb
I have seen quite number of reviews on iPhone 5 and HTC One. Yes, they have awesome looks. But, would they be out there without cases? I have never seen an iPhone 5 without a case (all with hard plastic, part metal, TPU or sillicon case.....all ugly). How would HTC One be with cases?
I prefer plastic body, but I think Sammy would have to go with some form of metal for the next Galaxy.
There is plastic and then there is plastic. The Nokia polycarbonate (as in Lumia 920) feels great, and needs no case (you can throw the Nokia from low flying airplanes with no damage), the samsung plastic (whatever it is) feels a bit flimsy. To be fair, I never used a case with my iPhone until I got a Mophie battery case (which I got for the battery, not for protection), and never had any problem, despite being quite hard on the phone.
I've always wondered if Samsung plastic would look as cheap if it was matte instead of glossy. The Nokia's look real nice as does the HTC One X. My sister's SGS3 looks nice IMO but the gloss looks super duper cheap. It may be a quality thing too as the 3G/3GS plastic was glossy but still looked better.
Then again the 4 and the 4S glass front and back looked and felt better than my Nexus 4S glass. Not better but sturdier.
Apple doesn't skimp on materials.
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That's like saying McDonald's made a "slight compromise" by calling their low nutrition high wasted calories junk "food."
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
If Samsung get their build quality and design out if the Asian gutter and somewhere near western quality they will push Apple into a small corner of the Asian market. Since Apple is so slow to release that a large screen size is very important in Asia, Samsung will complete their already considerable cleanup of Apple's market share if they add quality.
I assume from your location that you are familiar with things asian, so given HTC's and Sony's very nice hardware (granted, Sony software is not all it could be), "Asian gutter" is a bit misguided, no?
Misguided? Doesn't make sense really. Samsung has the cool factor that Apple once had in Asia. The Asian gutter refers to the inability of people here to do anything classy or creative of their own. HTC has no special reputation at all. Sony is like I fear Apple is going, once great now ..ho hum...Western style and quality is king generally. Samsung, as I said, has the cool factor so all they need is the perception of high end quality and they will be unstoppable. The other thing, I would add, is that Apple's product refresh cycle is too slow for here.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Misguided? Doesn't make sense really. Samsung has the cool factor that Apple once had in Asia. The Asian gutter refers to the inability of people here to do anything classy or creative of their own. HTC has no special reputation at all. Sony is like I fear Apple is going, once great now ..ho hum...Western style and quality is king generally. Samsung, as I said, has the cool factor so all they need is the perception of high end quality and they will be unstoppable. The other thing, I would add, is that Apple's product refresh cycle is too slow for here.
Ah OK, I had assumed you meant "low quality" by "Asian gutter", but you had meant something else...
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
And why do you think a micro-USB port is inherently faster than a Lightning port? Remember that the 30-pin iPod Dock Connector and Lightning ports both use USB signaling. It sounds like you're saying that no iDevice could possibly have a USB 3.0 chipset if it has a Lightning port.
And why this desire for the iPhone 5 to have a USB 3.0 chipset? Did any other vendor even offer a USB 3.0 chipset in a smartphone to make people say "Apple should it too"? The Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note II only had the Exynos 4 SoCs with USB 3.0 only coming as part of the chipset with Exynos 5, but that doesn't mean it'll be 1) enabled in a smartphone with a single NAND chip, and 2) if it, will speed up syncing.
Hey SolipsX, TS was being sarcastic... he was answering for igriv, if I read it correctly. His answers were all in quotes.
I actually had a question. You answer every post with a lot of patience and restraint. At what point of time do you just give up? I can't go for more than 3-4 posts of sheer garbage before I throw the poster(?) into the ignore list. And that's when they are actually talking to someone else!
More like mutton dressed as mutton.
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Why wouldn't it end well? They're the number 1 Android manufacturer by a large margin. A better build quality could extend that lead.
Because that has nothing to do with build quality (or any other sort of quality).
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No, only to inflate its margins. You want proof? iPad 1, revolutionary as it was, did not have a fucking camera. None. iPad mini does not have a retina display. iPhones 1-4 did not have LTE, which was a major selling point of the 5, two years after everyone else, all of the above serving to suck every possible dollar out of its customers.
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I'm pretty sure that was a strategic decision. If they had stuffed everything into iPad 1, there would be nothing going for the iPad 2. It's been the Apple way for ALL their products - ever since 1997. Their strategy is to focus on the fewest product lines possible, and update them yearly. Of course they have to think extra carefully what and what not to include every year, as their whole business depends on those few products.
1) Ah. I didn't catch that.
2) Funny. The people I respond to don't think I am patient or have restraint.
Don't waste your time, guys.
It very well could have been strategic as they plan out new models but we also need to consider the cost of adding more complexity to a device. We always hear something like 'that component only costs a 30¢" and maybe it doesn't but it consider the cost design that component into the device, all the supporting components, the drivers, the OS software, the testing, and other costs involved. It makes sense to focus your goals and only build out once you've mastered the others. I think Apple should have applied that to scaling iCloud in features and users.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
2) Funny. The people I respond to don't think I am patient or have restraint.
You're one of, if not the, most patient users here.
I'm not counting the ones here with a non-Apple agenda. They're paid to be patient, and no amount of willpower would be able to beat that out.
Notice I didn't name anyone. Watch them respond to the above in the negative.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
If Samsung get their build quality and design out if the Asian gutter and somewhere near western quality they will push Apple into a small corner of the Asian market. Since Apple is so slow to release that a large screen size is very important in Asia, Samsung will complete their already considerable cleanup of Apple's market share if they add quality.
Do you remember the old days of the iPhone 3G, when Apple was slow to realise that a stylus was very important in Asia?
The bulk of Android phones being sold in Asia are small screen, cheap and basic, just like everywhere else.
Android IS small, cheap, basic with a smattering of higher end handsets, don't forget that.
Well, I like to think I'm patient but I know I'm also very direct and candid which can easily mask any patience one might otherwise have.