Samsung wants to kill Taiwan, but they'd have to get in bed with China to do that, and Korea and China aren't really the best of friends…
Does Samsung hate Apple that much? ????
Suggesting things are that personal seems silly to me.
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Originally Posted by jdnc123
This company has lost $300 billion in value and you see no problem with it. I do. Nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of financial markets and I challenge you to tell me one time it has. Tim Cook will go down in history as one of the worst CEOs the world has ever seen. mark it down.
You don't see any of that as market correction given that they didn't stay at $700 for very long? I suspect their management team was expecting some kind of drop given how many articles came out late last year regarding several of them selling off large percentages of their holdings.
Umm, I didn't write that and never said I did. Logic would have said the link to the story that was provided meant I made no effort to claim I wrote it.
Like it or not, that is the view of Apple at the moment. I just passed it along, made no claim I wrote it.
About to drop below $400, over $125 billion in value lost by Tim this year alone. In less than 4 months. Worst. CEO. In history.
Yeah I missed that detail. Something about holding my nose when reading your posts makes it hard to read sometimes.
Suggesting things are that personal seems silly to me.
You don't see any of that as market correction given that they didn't stay at $700 for very long? I suspect their management team was expecting some kind of drop given how many articles came out late last year regarding several of them selling off large percentages of their holdings.
Sure, part of the drop is it was overvalued. The rest is an indictment of management and the current strategy. People don't and really many can't invest in a company that won't tell them what they plan to do strategy-wise. How do you as an analyst go to a PM and say 'well, the stock performed well under Steve Jobs, but nobody knows what Tim Cook wants to do strategy-wise, but i'll make a leap of faith.' That is the harsh reality. People want to know the strategy and Tim is still operating like he's Steve Jobs. He isn't. Articulate a plan. Tell us if you can grow earnings. Saying we want to make the best products doesn't cut it with the stock market if those products aren't selling as good or the margins are being slashed. Listen, I'm sure the guys making Beta though they had a great product also. Just making a great product isn't always a great strategy.
12 years worth of dividend payments wiped away in 4 months.
1 more day like today and not only IBM, but Google will also become more valuable than Apple. Google, Samsung, IBM are all growing earnings, only Apple has hit a wall and that wall was hit due to strategic mistakes by the current management team.
Umm, I didn't write that and never said I did. Logic would have said the link to the story that was provided meant I made no effort to claim I wrote it.
Like it or not, that is the view of Apple at the moment. I just passed it along, made no claim I wrote it.
About to drop below $400, over $125 billion in value lost by Tim this year alone. In less than 4 months. Worst. CEO. In history.
No.
Compare Apple's performance since 2010 to 2013.
Compare their rivals performance and current economic situation.
Read the rumours and FUD since 98.
Read your posts (and those from island hermit).
Conclusions:
- The large majority of Analysts are stupid. You decide (by yourself) to believe in them.
- The large majority of shareholders demands are stupid. You decide (by yourself) to believe in them.
- You are clueless, stupid, arrogant and classless. Or you are a paid shill and reasonably competent at your job.
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I wonder, Tallest Skill, if someone is stupid and dumb as a door, as it is proved (like this case... well, the other option is he being a paid shill or a troll. I mean, i have history on my side. I have science on my side. I have math on my side. I have logic on my side. ), I'm I doing something wrong?
Blatant lies, but again, "believe what you want to believe".
I'd better hear you break into the shareholder meeting and have it delayed ten minutes as they drag you out, screaming "TIM COOK DEAD TIM COOK DEAD". I want to hear that someone tried to physically assault Cook and put him out of commission.
Otherwise all your whining is meaningless. If things were as bad as you're whining about, you'd care more than posting semi-truths on websites.
Blatant lies, but again, "believe what you want to believe".
I'd better hear you break into the shareholder meeting and have it delayed ten minutes as they drag you out, screaming "TIM COOK DEAD TIM COOK DEAD". I want to hear that someone tried to physically assault Cook and put him out of commission.
Otherwise all your whining is meaningless. If things were as bad as you're whining about, you'd care more than posting semi-truths on websites.
Everything I've said here, I've said to Apple IR and to Tim Cook himself (if he reads my emails). So when he gets kicked to the curb in a year as I predict with hundreds of billions of value lost for shareholders since he took over, you think he'll be remembered in a good light historically?
So was this manipulation going on when the stock price was going north... or just when it is going south?
Well, the imac came and the FUD was smaller = Stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPod came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
A few models of the ipod and FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iphone came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPad came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
Look, I'm only 22, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at the best Faculty of my country and I'm learning code by myself. I also have enough talent to be seem as a very smart man.
However, I'm no Sheldon Cooper. My family is poor, I have no Phd, I still haven't saw much of the world, and I understand 0 about french.
Having said that, (and quoting Al Gore (his doc about global warming) when he quoted a friend):
Everything I've said here, I've said to Apple IR and to Tim Cook himself (if he reads my emails). So when he gets kicked to the curb in a year as I predict with hundreds of billions of value lost for shareholders since he took over, you think he'll be remembered in a good light historically?
As I've said before:
1. We have to give Cook a break until at least fiscal 1st quarter 2014. Results in January 2014.
2. Even if the results are shitty for that quarter, what will be worse for Apple, carrying on with Cook or actually firing him?
3. Who is there that can fill that job any better than Cook?
Well, the imac came and the FUD was smaller = Stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPod came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
A few models of the ipod and FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iphone came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPad came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
Look, I'm only 22, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at the best Faculty of my country and I'm learning code by myself. I also have enough talent to be seem as a very smart man.
However, I'm no Sheldon Cooper. My family is poor, I have no Phd, I still haven't saw much of the world, and I understand 0 about french.
Having said that, (and quoting Al Gore (his doc about global warming) when he quoted a friend):
"Don't they fit?"
Hmmm... sounds to me from everything you've written, that AAPL has been acting exactly like every other stock in the markets... up down up down up down.
Funny how that works, because they were predicting the same a year ago. And it didn't happen.
The best COO of all time, who ran the company off and on since 2004 while Steve was debilitated and who kept Apple growing beyond Steve's death?
Yeah, I figure he will.
So because Ron Johnson was once considered the best retail operator in the world, he also will now be remembered in a good light and everyone will forget about the disaster at JCP?
Ever hear of the phrase tainted legacy?
Steve gonna roll over in his grave when Samsung passes Apple in value in the not too distant future at this rate. $350 per share and we are at that point. Samsung will have tripled in value since he died while Apple cut in half (again for those not listening i'm talking about value of the business, ex cash+debt).
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Samsung wants to kill Taiwan, but they'd have to get in bed with China to do that, and Korea and China aren't really the best of friends…
Does Samsung hate Apple that much? ????
Suggesting things are that personal seems silly to me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdnc123
This company has lost $300 billion in value and you see no problem with it. I do. Nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of financial markets and I challenge you to tell me one time it has. Tim Cook will go down in history as one of the worst CEOs the world has ever seen. mark it down.
You don't see any of that as market correction given that they didn't stay at $700 for very long? I suspect their management team was expecting some kind of drop given how many articles came out late last year regarding several of them selling off large percentages of their holdings.
Yeah I missed that detail. Something about holding my nose when reading your posts makes it hard to read sometimes.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Okay... so now you are saying that buying AAPL is a gamble?
Hmmmm....
Stock market is and always will be a gamble. If you don't want to risk, there always is a saving account.
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Originally Posted by hmm
Suggesting things are that personal seems silly to me.
You don't see any of that as market correction given that they didn't stay at $700 for very long? I suspect their management team was expecting some kind of drop given how many articles came out late last year regarding several of them selling off large percentages of their holdings.
Sure, part of the drop is it was overvalued. The rest is an indictment of management and the current strategy. People don't and really many can't invest in a company that won't tell them what they plan to do strategy-wise. How do you as an analyst go to a PM and say 'well, the stock performed well under Steve Jobs, but nobody knows what Tim Cook wants to do strategy-wise, but i'll make a leap of faith.' That is the harsh reality. People want to know the strategy and Tim is still operating like he's Steve Jobs. He isn't. Articulate a plan. Tell us if you can grow earnings. Saying we want to make the best products doesn't cut it with the stock market if those products aren't selling as good or the margins are being slashed. Listen, I'm sure the guys making Beta though they had a great product also. Just making a great product isn't always a great strategy.
12 years worth of dividend payments wiped away in 4 months.
1 more day like today and not only IBM, but Google will also become more valuable than Apple. Google, Samsung, IBM are all growing earnings, only Apple has hit a wall and that wall was hit due to strategic mistakes by the current management team.
This has to be a nightmare for employees.
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Originally Posted by tcasey
the only crisis is engineered by samsung paid bloggers....you would think apple was losing billions and lay off staff..
So, do you really think Apple has fall from 700$ to 400$ because of the... samsung paid bloggers? Oh boy!
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Originally Posted by matrix07
Stock market is and always will be a gamble. If you don't want to risk, there always is a saving account.
You missed my point. It originally sounded like Pedro was saying that AAPL was a sure thing... still sounds that way for that matter.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
You missed my point. It originally sounded like Pedro was saying that AAPL was a sure thing.
Ahh... I now see.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Umm, I didn't write that and never said I did. Logic would have said the link to the story that was provided meant I made no effort to claim I wrote it.
Like it or not, that is the view of Apple at the moment. I just passed it along, made no claim I wrote it.
About to drop below $400, over $125 billion in value lost by Tim this year alone. In less than 4 months. Worst. CEO. In history.
No.
Compare Apple's performance since 2010 to 2013.
Compare their rivals performance and current economic situation.
Read the rumours and FUD since 98.
Read your posts (and those from island hermit).
Conclusions:
- The large majority of Analysts are stupid. You decide (by yourself) to believe in them.
- The large majority of shareholders demands are stupid. You decide (by yourself) to believe in them.
- You are clueless, stupid, arrogant and classless. Or you are a paid shill and reasonably competent at your job.
-----------------------
I wonder, Tallest Skill, if someone is stupid and dumb as a door, as it is proved (like this case... well, the other option is he being a paid shill or a troll. I mean, i have history on my side. I have science on my side. I have math on my side. I have logic on my side. ), I'm I doing something wrong?
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Worst. CEO. In history.
Blatant lies, but again, "believe what you want to believe".
I'd better hear you break into the shareholder meeting and have it delayed ten minutes as they drag you out, screaming "TIM COOK DEAD TIM COOK DEAD". I want to hear that someone tried to physically assault Cook and put him out of commission.
Otherwise all your whining is meaningless. If things were as bad as you're whining about, you'd care more than posting semi-truths on websites.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
- You are clueless, stupid, arrogant and classless. Or you are a paid shill and reasonably competent at your job.
That has to be worth at least a warning from the mods.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Blatant lies, but again, "believe what you want to believe".
I'd better hear you break into the shareholder meeting and have it delayed ten minutes as they drag you out, screaming "TIM COOK DEAD TIM COOK DEAD". I want to hear that someone tried to physically assault Cook and put him out of commission.
Otherwise all your whining is meaningless. If things were as bad as you're whining about, you'd care more than posting semi-truths on websites.
Everything I've said here, I've said to Apple IR and to Tim Cook himself (if he reads my emails). So when he gets kicked to the curb in a year as I predict with hundreds of billions of value lost for shareholders since he took over, you think he'll be remembered in a good light historically?
Quote:
Originally Posted by island hermit
So was this manipulation going on when the stock price was going north... or just when it is going south?
Well, the imac came and the FUD was smaller = Stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPod came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
A few models of the ipod and FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iphone came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPad came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
Look, I'm only 22, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at the best Faculty of my country and I'm learning code by myself. I also have enough talent to be seem as a very smart man.
However, I'm no Sheldon Cooper. My family is poor, I have no Phd, I still haven't saw much of the world, and I understand 0 about french.
Having said that, (and quoting Al Gore (his doc about global warming) when he quoted a friend):
"Don't they fit?"
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Everything I've said here, I've said to Apple IR and to Tim Cook himself (if he reads my emails). So when he gets kicked to the curb in a year as I predict with hundreds of billions of value lost for shareholders since he took over, you think he'll be remembered in a good light historically?
As I've said before:
1. We have to give Cook a break until at least fiscal 1st quarter 2014. Results in January 2014.
2. Even if the results are shitty for that quarter, what will be worse for Apple, carrying on with Cook or actually firing him?
3. Who is there that can fill that job any better than Cook?
It's a quandary.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
So when he gets kicked to the curb in a year as I predict…
Funny how that works, because they were predicting the same a year ago. And it didn't happen.
…you think he'll be remembered in a good light historically?
The best COO of all time, who ran the company off and on since 2004 while Steve was debilitated and who kept Apple growing beyond Steve's death?
Yeah, I figure he will.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
That has to be worth at least a warning from the mods.
Why jdnc123?
Calling rock a rock isn't worth a warning. Or is it? It was justified. There's nothing we can do about it. It's a pity.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Well, the imac came and the FUD was smaller = Stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPod came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
A few models of the ipod and FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iphone came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
The iPad came and the FUD was smaller = stock goes up.
Years go by ----- FUD rises ----- Stock goes down.
Doom is close.
Look, I'm only 22, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at the best Faculty of my country and I'm learning code by myself. I also have enough talent to be seem as a very smart man.
However, I'm no Sheldon Cooper. My family is poor, I have no Phd, I still haven't saw much of the world, and I understand 0 about french.
Having said that, (and quoting Al Gore (his doc about global warming) when he quoted a friend):
"Don't they fit?"
Hmmm... sounds to me from everything you've written, that AAPL has been acting exactly like every other stock in the markets... up down up down up down.
Just saying...
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedromartins
Why jdnc123?
Calling rock a rock isn't worth a warning. Or is it? It was justified. There's nothing we can do about it. It's a pity.
So I can call anyone on this board "stupid" and "clueless" and not have to worry about it?
Really?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Funny how that works, because they were predicting the same a year ago. And it didn't happen.
The best COO of all time, who ran the company off and on since 2004 while Steve was debilitated and who kept Apple growing beyond Steve's death?
Yeah, I figure he will.
If you are mocking someone's predictions you have to find a way to put "Eric Schmidt" in there. There's no excuse if you don't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Funny how that works, because they were predicting the same a year ago. And it didn't happen.
The best COO of all time, who ran the company off and on since 2004 while Steve was debilitated and who kept Apple growing beyond Steve's death?
Yeah, I figure he will.
So because Ron Johnson was once considered the best retail operator in the world, he also will now be remembered in a good light and everyone will forget about the disaster at JCP?
Ever hear of the phrase tainted legacy?
Steve gonna roll over in his grave when Samsung passes Apple in value in the not too distant future at this rate. $350 per share and we are at that point. Samsung will have tripled in value since he died while Apple cut in half (again for those not listening i'm talking about value of the business, ex cash+debt).