I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Hmmm- sounds like we touched a raw nerve here.
Is this poster blind and unable to read the article he's commenting on? As pointed out above, iPhone sales peak after new model introductions, suggesting that people are actually excited by and interested in said new model, while for Android, folks apparently just pick whatever model is available at the time their contract is up. While down from the Christmas season, it appears that Verizon iPhone sales are up Y/Y, while Android sales are, well, flat. iPhone and Android sales _last year_ at this time were indeed "neck and neck", but this year iPhone is clearly ahead.
The US is not the world, but there is all sorts of evidence that Apple is winning the US smartphone market, no matter how much that may bother you.
Android is so overrated. It seems to cater to several demographics:
- 1st-time buyers looking for a cheap, smartphone with price being their only consideration.
- Individuals that want an open, infinitely-customizable smartphone and have way too much time on their hands. They will customize their smartphone so much, no one else will be able to figure out how to make a phone call on it.
- iHaters that want nothing to do with Apple simply because of a false-belief that Apple is more "evil" than the numerous Android handset makers like Samsung whose CEO is a convicted criminal, and Google that has cleverly masqueraded their "open and free" OS as a way to covertly gather as much information on you, the product, and sell "you" to the highest bidder.
You missed one:
- People for whom a smartphone is not a status symbol, part of a larger "eco-system" or a large enough part of their lives to warrant spending a lot of money.
I know people who use their Android phone for email, SMS, voice calls, navigation and games who are perfectly happy. I know of two who perceive the larger screen of their Galaxy as having more value for them than the sharper screen of the iPhone would. A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price. Finally, there's the case of the person who found the perfect service package from a carrier who doesn't sell iPhones. That person chose a Galaxy because the terms of the plan mattered more than the device used to exploit it.
You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish.
What's shocking to me is how there's no "bump" with an Android new product intro -- such as the SG3 -- in either ATT or VZW's graphs.
I think that is actually pretty easily explained; no one model dominates the broader android market, so even if its followers double the regular sales rate it is only a 10-20% bump to the overall numbers. The bump also subsides much faster, so it just becomes noise in quarterly data.
I wonder what it would take for Apple to replicate their success in the US in some of the other larger markets. Does it come down to first-mover advantage in a given market?
Lots wrong with the chart. For starters, it just looks at the two largest carriers in the US who charge the most for service, and frankly if you don't mind dropping $100 a month on your cell service, you're also probably in the market for the iphone as well.
Worldwide across all carriers, its about even with android doing much better than the iphone in low cost carriers and in less developed nations.
Not really sure what kind of story the writer was trying to tell unless it was just the usual "how do I spindle the data to 'prove' that the iphone is more popular than the other guys". What was proven here is that in the US, among the two most expensive carriers, that for the time frame measured those two companies sold more iphones than android phones.
During the 3rd quarter of 2011, more blue rapapangas were sold than red ones in the province of capascapia. Pretty much equally meaningful.
I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Is this poster blind and unable to read .....
He's an Androider lurking around in an Apple forum. What do you expect?
- People for whom a smartphone is not a status symbol, part of a larger "eco-system" or a large enough part of their lives to warrant spending a lot of money.
I know people who use their Android phone for email, SMS, voice calls, navigation and games who are perfectly happy. I know of two who perceive the larger screen of their Galaxy as having more value for them than the sharper screen of the iPhone would. A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price. Finally, there's the case of the person who found the perfect service package from a carrier who doesn't sell iPhones. That person chose a Galaxy because the terms of the plan mattered more than the device used to exploit it.
You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish, rude, or even insulting.
Actually, the arguements were never about a single person's choice on the matter. It became more of a discussion of how can Andriod/Google claim that they are ahead/winning/etc. when the sales numbers do not reflect that. Also, these graphs were about the two largest national carriers (Verizon and AT&T), and correlating that to how the nation probably behaves. It is a good correlation just because of the sheer number of people/sales there were.
That said, I find it more telling that the sum of the two sets of data (iPhone AT&T+Verizon versus Android AT&T + Verizon), the iPhone appeared to sell more every single time.
Frankly it's amazing that a single vendor whose cheapest model is $450 (which doesn't include tariffs and other costs for other countries) can have such a huge percentage throughout the world. This just shows how popular iOS is, not that it's doing poorly.
I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
There are over a hundred cellular service providers in the US. Only counting the top 5 carriers other than VZ and ATT, they have about 100M subscribers combined. This number can be compared to about 200M for VZ and ATT combined. The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
The demographics information would be more important though because it would most likely indicate factors such as median income, education, and geographic location which I am confident would show iPhone as more popular among the higher income/education segment as well as more popular in larger metropolitan areas.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Hmmm- sounds like we touched a raw nerve here.
Is this poster blind and unable to read the article he's commenting on? As pointed out above, iPhone sales peak after new model introductions, suggesting that people are actually excited by and interested in said new model, while for Android, folks apparently just pick whatever model is available at the time their contract is up. While down from the Christmas season, it appears that Verizon iPhone sales are up Y/Y, while Android sales are, well, flat. iPhone and Android sales _last year_ at this time were indeed "neck and neck", but this year iPhone is clearly ahead.
The US is not the world, but there is all sorts of evidence that Apple is winning the US smartphone market, no matter how much that may bother you.
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I still don't get why there isn't a thumbs down feature here. It is so unrealistic and not very natural to not have a thumbs down feature.
And there is a definitely a post in this thread that I would give a thumbs down to, if such an option existed.
Yea, I'd like to do that to the very first post too.
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Android is so overrated. It seems to cater to several demographics:
- 1st-time buyers looking for a cheap, smartphone with price being their only consideration.
- Individuals that want an open, infinitely-customizable smartphone and have way too much time on their hands. They will customize their smartphone so much, no one else will be able to figure out how to make a phone call on it.
- iHaters that want nothing to do with Apple simply because of a false-belief that Apple is more "evil" than the numerous Android handset makers like Samsung whose CEO is a convicted criminal, and Google that has cleverly masqueraded their "open and free" OS as a way to covertly gather as much information on you, the product, and sell "you" to the highest bidder.
You missed one:
- People for whom a smartphone is not a status symbol, part of a larger "eco-system" or a large enough part of their lives to warrant spending a lot of money.
I know people who use their Android phone for email, SMS, voice calls, navigation and games who are perfectly happy. I know of two who perceive the larger screen of their Galaxy as having more value for them than the sharper screen of the iPhone would. A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price. Finally, there's the case of the person who found the perfect service package from a carrier who doesn't sell iPhones. That person chose a Galaxy because the terms of the plan mattered more than the device used to exploit it.
You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish.
AI publishes other people's numbers. They also report when someone is bearish on Apple.
I wonder what it would take for Apple to replicate their success in the US in some of the other larger markets. Does it come down to first-mover advantage in a given market?
Worldwide across all carriers, its about even with android doing much better than the iphone in low cost carriers and in less developed nations.
Not really sure what kind of story the writer was trying to tell unless it was just the usual "how do I spindle the data to 'prove' that the iphone is more popular than the other guys". What was proven here is that in the US, among the two most expensive carriers, that for the time frame measured those two companies sold more iphones than android phones.
During the 3rd quarter of 2011, more blue rapapangas were sold than red ones in the province of capascapia. Pretty much equally meaningful.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Is this poster blind and unable to read .....
He's an Androider lurking around in an Apple forum. What do you expect?
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As an aisde, note how Evans also points out (in the first para of his blog, no less): "Apple discloses these numbers so you can just work them out".
You Androiders just make up yours.
And yet AppleInsider publishes Android numbers anyway....
Agree. AI, unfortunately, wants/likes your eyeballs. Makes more money for them.....
Actually, the arguements were never about a single person's choice on the matter. It became more of a discussion of how can Andriod/Google claim that they are ahead/winning/etc. when the sales numbers do not reflect that. Also, these graphs were about the two largest national carriers (Verizon and AT&T), and correlating that to how the nation probably behaves. It is a good correlation just because of the sheer number of people/sales there were.
That said, I find it more telling that the sum of the two sets of data (iPhone AT&T+Verizon versus Android AT&T + Verizon), the iPhone appeared to sell more every single time.
Frankly it's amazing that a single vendor whose cheapest model is $450 (which doesn't include tariffs and other costs for other countries) can have such a huge percentage throughout the world. This just shows how popular iOS is, not that it's doing poorly.
No, no, no, no, no...
...Android is winning, eleventy billions of acts-vites every minute.
A source in the Android Astroturfer's office just sent me one of their motivational posters:-
Apple is domed.
http://techland.time.com/2012/05/02/samsung-wins-the-world-in-smartphone-sales-still-trails-apple-in-u-s/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57577431-94/android-outscores-ios-in-u.s-smartphone-sales-says-report/
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/pr_120502/
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130214005415/en/Android-iOS-Combinid
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I'd like to see regional charts throughout the major markets in the world. More telling than just the US market.
From the last world comparison I saw, right when the iPhone 5 came out (if anyone has later, please post)...
The US looked like this:
The UK and Australia looked like this:
Most of the EU looked like this:
And here was China:
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
There are over a hundred cellular service providers in the US. Only counting the top 5 carriers other than VZ and ATT, they have about 100M subscribers combined. This number can be compared to about 200M for VZ and ATT combined. The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
The demographics information would be more important though because it would most likely indicate factors such as median income, education, and geographic location which I am confident would show iPhone as more popular among the higher income/education segment as well as more popular in larger metropolitan areas.
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I don't have any firm data on that myself, so we'll have to rely on the outside world for guidance on overall market share:
Worldwide (IDC)
Worldwide (Strategy Analytics)
US (Kantar)
All bogus 'estimates.'
ATT's and VZW's are actuals. And they control 70% of the US market.