It's clear; iPhone is a phone that people give as a gift to others or themselves. Android is a phone you (in most cases) get when you want a smart phone and don't have a big budget.
My mother got a Galaxy phone for about $50 -- so no competing with that until Apple comes out with their low cost version. Then Galaxy is space-toast.
What is the market in which Apple is doing the best, by far?
In that market which two carriers have the data most skewed in Apple's favor?
Answer those questions for yourself.
In any data set, if you pick not only the data that is most advantageous to you- but only the rosiest data within that small subset, and then try to paint that as an 'overall' picture... you're really not quite being honest with yourself.
Cherry picking is fine and expected, given this is AI, but I'm a little surprised at the willful avoidance of all else. I guess people on either side will support anything that supports what they already want to believe.
The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened - it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.
I agree in the US market -- but there's also the battle in the "emerging market." Apple apparently will rush to compete with dirt cheap phones at least in China and India.
My wife got an Android phone -- she hates it other than the streaming music app which occasionally works (probably because of T-Mobile coverage more than anything else). So those TOP TIER Android phones might get repeat business, but the low end models might have soiled the user experience and those people probably think the iPhone is the way to go -- whether it's better than the top tier Android or not.
That's not just smart phones -- that's the reality of any kind of product. The Android covering low end and top tier is both a blessing and a curse and Google SHOULD HAVE marketed a premium platform so that it could guarantee a good reputation.
Thanks. Excellent insight: after all, why should we trust stats from research firms who provide them for a living when we can rely on unemployed bloggers who don't link to their sources?
So you're on record that next time any of those firms provide stats that favor Apple you'll be as quick to show your disdain? We're all looking forward to it.
Because the numbers put out by these "research firms" never seems to match hard data. That's why. Every time you look at the available data on web browsing, ad hits, app sales, media (music, movie, TV show) sales, use of mobile devices for shopping, etc. etc., iOS always seems to have a share far higher than that put out by these "research firms" on 'shipments'.
They probably exaggerate the data because they have more Android clients, who knows. Maybe they pay these "research firms" more because they make Android look good.
I don't trust it when the data goes the other way either. Show me one post where I have gloated based on such bogus estimates.
As to whether the "unemployed blogger" is telling the truth, you can just as easily go out there and get it based on what ATT and VZW have actually reported from their quarterlies. Go out and do the research, if care to disprove this blogger.
The elephant in the room for android is the soon-to-be ubiquity of cheap iPhone 4s/5 models available for upgrade.
Once the iPhone 5s is out, the carriers will reprice the models as follows:
iPhone 4s: Free
iPhone 5: $99
It used to be that android's biggest advantage was competing against the truly premium prices that Apple was charging. The 4s still has an iconic design, good specs, and retina display. It will eat into android marketshare once the 5s is out.
That's rich. Really. The US is a civilized country. WTF. You are kidding yourself buddy. Its a fucking Jungle.
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
Thanks. Excellent insight: after all, why should we trust stats from research firms who provide them for a living when we can rely on unemployed bloggers who don't link to their sources?
So you're on record that next time any of those firms provide stats that favor Apple you'll be as quick to show your disdain? We're all looking forward to it.
Or we could be like you.
When 5 different reports from various research companies all show similar findings where iOS is leading Android you will ignore them and find the 1 that supports a different position, and claim it's correct.
Your post has got to be the most hypocritical thing I've heard all day.
The elephant in the room for android is the soon-to-be ubiquity of cheap iPhone 4s/5 models available for upgrade.
Once the iPhone 5s is out, the carriers will reprice the models as follows:
iPhone 4s: Free
iPhone 5: $99
It used to be that android's biggest advantage was competing against the truly premium prices that Apple was charging. The 4s still has an iconic design, good specs, and retina display. It will eat into android marketshare once the 5s is out.
Really? Like Apple doesn't do this every year? Wth are you on?
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
How much hate can one person hold? America has caused at least as many problems as it's fixed because we police the world to form it the way that suits us best without considering how people in other places and cultures think that THEIR home should be. And we don't even get it right for ourselves sometimes (see Arab Spring).
As far as releasing the Internet and other technologies that we develop, there is no other sensible option. Especially in the case of the Internet, the more people have access, the better the world becomes because easy communication and access to information facilitates trade and research. When technology is widely available, it sets a new base level from which people can innovate, and it's better to have 7 billion people innovating than 400 million.
I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Hey AppleInsider, stick to reporting rumors and stop trying to write your own articles. You are clearly out of your element.
I am sorry, but I think you ought to learn to read. The author clearly points out the peaks, while correctly identifying the "flatline" in the Android sales across the graph. You are comparing a single quarter. The author is comparing total sales across the years. All the peaks are iPhone. You ought to learn to read and how to interpret charts before your criticize others.
What's shocking to me is how there's no "bump" with an Android new product intro -- such as the SG3 -- in either ATT or VZW's graphs. Compare that to the massive spike when a new iPhone is introduced! Shocking, because one would not get that impression reading the tech news.
It's no wonder that these weasels don't put out actual shipment volumes or sales numbers.
Btw, where are all those gazillions of Android activations every day (that Rubin used to boast about) in these numbers?!
I would bet that about 85 to 90% of those activations are cheapo feature phones or very cheap phones being sold in china or india where cheap is in, phones like the Galaxy line would not sell well in countries like this because of locals ability to buy, and probably make up about 10 to 15% of android sales. The cheap phones take the rest. Google will take anything it sees as an activation but that does not mean that it is a high end smart phone. Plus hell all of the two for ones and the free phone give aways, got to get rid of that old stock on the warehouse and store shelves somehow.
And as another point most of the cheapo phones are razor thin on margin, down in the .01% to 1 % area for profit too.
How much hate can one person hold? America has caused at least as many problems as it's fixed because we police the world to form it the way that suits us best without considering how people in other places and cultures think that THEIR home should be. And we don't even get it right for ourselves sometimes (see Arab Spring).
As far as releasing the Internet and other technologies that we develop, there is no other sensible option. Especially in the case of the Internet, the more people have access, the better the world becomes because easy communication and access to information facilitates trade and research. When technology is widely available, it sets a new base level from which people can innovate, and it's better to have 7 billion people innovating than 400 million.
Please think before you post.
Other cultures are irrelevant, especially if they are barbaric and/or primitive. When two cultures meet, it is common sense that the advanced culture trumps the primitive culture. The arab spring is also a joke and massive failure, but since this is not in the political section, I won't go into any further detail.
As for the internet, it doesn't really matter, as there is no going back now obviously. Though I can definitely think of a few advantages that would have been gained by keeping it closed.
In any data set, if you pick not only the data that is most advantageous to you- but only the rosiest data within that small subset, and then try to paint that as an 'overall' picture... you're really not quite being honest with yourself.
Cherry picking is fine and expected, given this is AI, but I'm a little surprised at the willful avoidance of all else. I guess people on either side will support anything that supports what they already want to believe.
This is DED's style. He's like a creationist; he's about fitting the facts around his world view rather than fitting his world view around the facts.
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
Nice sarcasm! I am sure the 80% of silicon valley engineers who are born outside the US are having a chuckle!
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My mother got a Galaxy phone for about $50 -- so no competing with that until Apple comes out with their low cost version. Then Galaxy is space-toast.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Btw, where are all those gazillions of Android activations every day (that Rubin used to boast about) in these numbers?!
Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.
Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.
That's rich. Really. The US is a civilized country. WTF. You are kidding yourself buddy. Its a fucking Jungle.
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Everybody else pleads the fifth, and nobody finds that to be suspicious at all?
Oh, I do.
I always thought I was the only one....
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What is the market in which Apple is doing the best, by far?
In that market which two carriers have the data most skewed in Apple's favor?
Answer those questions for yourself.
In any data set, if you pick not only the data that is most advantageous to you- but only the rosiest data within that small subset, and then try to paint that as an 'overall' picture... you're really not quite being honest with yourself.
Cherry picking is fine and expected, given this is AI, but I'm a little surprised at the willful avoidance of all else. I guess people on either side will support anything that supports what they already want to believe.
The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened - it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.
I agree in the US market -- but there's also the battle in the "emerging market." Apple apparently will rush to compete with dirt cheap phones at least in China and India.My wife got an Android phone -- she hates it other than the streaming music app which occasionally works (probably because of T-Mobile coverage more than anything else). So those TOP TIER Android phones might get repeat business, but the low end models might have soiled the user experience and those people probably think the iPhone is the way to go -- whether it's better than the top tier Android or not.
That's not just smart phones -- that's the reality of any kind of product. The Android covering low end and top tier is both a blessing and a curse and Google SHOULD HAVE marketed a premium platform so that it could guarantee a good reputation.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Thanks. Excellent insight: after all, why should we trust stats from research firms who provide them for a living when we can rely on unemployed bloggers who don't link to their sources?
So you're on record that next time any of those firms provide stats that favor Apple you'll be as quick to show your disdain? We're all looking forward to it.
Because the numbers put out by these "research firms" never seems to match hard data. That's why. Every time you look at the available data on web browsing, ad hits, app sales, media (music, movie, TV show) sales, use of mobile devices for shopping, etc. etc., iOS always seems to have a share far higher than that put out by these "research firms" on 'shipments'.
They probably exaggerate the data because they have more Android clients, who knows. Maybe they pay these "research firms" more because they make Android look good.
I don't trust it when the data goes the other way either. Show me one post where I have gloated based on such bogus estimates.
As to whether the "unemployed blogger" is telling the truth, you can just as easily go out there and get it based on what ATT and VZW have actually reported from their quarterlies. Go out and do the research, if care to disprove this blogger.
You can't face actuals facts, that's the problem.
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Originally Posted by Frood
What is the market in which Apple is doing the best, by far?
In that market which two carriers have the data most skewed in Apple's favor?
Umm.... did you forget to glance at the headline before you jumped in to post?
The elephant in the room for android is the soon-to-be ubiquity of cheap iPhone 4s/5 models available for upgrade.
Once the iPhone 5s is out, the carriers will reprice the models as follows:
iPhone 4s: Free
iPhone 5: $99
It used to be that android's biggest advantage was competing against the truly premium prices that Apple was charging. The 4s still has an iconic design, good specs, and retina display. It will eat into android marketshare once the 5s is out.
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Originally Posted by Taniwha
That's rich. Really. The US is a civilized country. WTF. You are kidding yourself buddy. Its a fucking Jungle.
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
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Originally Posted by igriv
There is a very large demand for the HTC One right now.
Because you read it somewhere?
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Thanks. Excellent insight: after all, why should we trust stats from research firms who provide them for a living when we can rely on unemployed bloggers who don't link to their sources?
So you're on record that next time any of those firms provide stats that favor Apple you'll be as quick to show your disdain? We're all looking forward to it.
Or we could be like you.
When 5 different reports from various research companies all show similar findings where iOS is leading Android you will ignore them and find the 1 that supports a different position, and claim it's correct.
Your post has got to be the most hypocritical thing I've heard all day.
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Originally Posted by bag of kittens
The elephant in the room for android is the soon-to-be ubiquity of cheap iPhone 4s/5 models available for upgrade.
Once the iPhone 5s is out, the carriers will reprice the models as follows:
iPhone 4s: Free
iPhone 5: $99
It used to be that android's biggest advantage was competing against the truly premium prices that Apple was charging. The 4s still has an iconic design, good specs, and retina display. It will eat into android marketshare once the 5s is out.
Really? Like Apple doesn't do this every year? Wth are you on?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
How much hate can one person hold? America has caused at least as many problems as it's fixed because we police the world to form it the way that suits us best without considering how people in other places and cultures think that THEIR home should be. And we don't even get it right for ourselves sometimes (see Arab Spring).
As far as releasing the Internet and other technologies that we develop, there is no other sensible option. Especially in the case of the Internet, the more people have access, the better the world becomes because easy communication and access to information facilitates trade and research. When technology is widely available, it sets a new base level from which people can innovate, and it's better to have 7 billion people innovating than 400 million.
Please think before you post.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
I'm sorry, but is the author of this article blind and unable to read his own charts? Looking at the VZW graph, it's clear that iPhone sales peaked in 2012 at 6 million and have been on a decline to 4 million in the most recent quarter. If you look at the most recent quarter, iPhone sales have slumped to almost the same point as Android - the graphs are almost on top of each other. Latest quarterly iPhone numbers are not shown from AT&T.
This is a worthless and shoddy piece of "journalism" by any metric. Conclusions are drawn based on incomplete data, and the where complete data is available (Verizon) clearly shows Android and iPhone being neck-and-neck and completely disproving the headline and point of this piece.
Hey AppleInsider, stick to reporting rumors and stop trying to write your own articles. You are clearly out of your element.
I am sorry, but I think you ought to learn to read. The author clearly points out the peaks, while correctly identifying the "flatline" in the Android sales across the graph. You are comparing a single quarter. The author is comparing total sales across the years. All the peaks are iPhone. You ought to learn to read and how to interpret charts before your criticize others.
Didn't you just read this article? We're all just reading something from somewhere, how do we know for sure that these graphs are accurate?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
What's shocking to me is how there's no "bump" with an Android new product intro -- such as the SG3 -- in either ATT or VZW's graphs. Compare that to the massive spike when a new iPhone is introduced! Shocking, because one would not get that impression reading the tech news.
It's no wonder that these weasels don't put out actual shipment volumes or sales numbers.
Btw, where are all those gazillions of Android activations every day (that Rubin used to boast about) in these numbers?!
I would bet that about 85 to 90% of those activations are cheapo feature phones or very cheap phones being sold in china or india where cheap is in, phones like the Galaxy line would not sell well in countries like this because of locals ability to buy, and probably make up about 10 to 15% of android sales. The cheap phones take the rest. Google will take anything it sees as an activation but that does not mean that it is a high end smart phone. Plus hell all of the two for ones and the free phone give aways, got to get rid of that old stock on the warehouse and store shelves somehow.
And as another point most of the cheapo phones are razor thin on margin, down in the .01% to 1 % area for profit too.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
How much hate can one person hold? America has caused at least as many problems as it's fixed because we police the world to form it the way that suits us best without considering how people in other places and cultures think that THEIR home should be. And we don't even get it right for ourselves sometimes (see Arab Spring).
As far as releasing the Internet and other technologies that we develop, there is no other sensible option. Especially in the case of the Internet, the more people have access, the better the world becomes because easy communication and access to information facilitates trade and research. When technology is widely available, it sets a new base level from which people can innovate, and it's better to have 7 billion people innovating than 400 million.
Please think before you post.
Other cultures are irrelevant, especially if they are barbaric and/or primitive. When two cultures meet, it is common sense that the advanced culture trumps the primitive culture. The arab spring is also a joke and massive failure, but since this is not in the political section, I won't go into any further detail.
As for the internet, it doesn't really matter, as there is no going back now obviously. Though I can definitely think of a few advantages that would have been gained by keeping it closed.
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Originally Posted by Frood
In any data set, if you pick not only the data that is most advantageous to you- but only the rosiest data within that small subset, and then try to paint that as an 'overall' picture... you're really not quite being honest with yourself.
Cherry picking is fine and expected, given this is AI, but I'm a little surprised at the willful avoidance of all else. I guess people on either side will support anything that supports what they already want to believe.
This is DED's style. He's like a creationist; he's about fitting the facts around his world view rather than fitting his world view around the facts.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Oh yeah? What country are you from, if you're not too ashamed to answer?
As for the US, realize this: Most of the world would be far worse off if not for the USA, the most successful and innovative country in the entire history of humankind. I still think that it was a mistake to open up the internet to foreigners and grant other countries access.
Nice sarcasm! I am sure the 80% of silicon valley engineers who are born outside the US are having a chuckle!