Google's Android has flatlined in the U.S. as Apple's iPhone steals all growth

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  • Reply 41 of 151

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    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post


     


    From the last world comparison I saw, right when the iPhone 5 came out (if anyone has later, please post)...


     


    Blah Blah .....



    As I said to MacRulez above:


     


     


    All bogus 'estimates.'


     


    ATT's and VZW's are actuals. And they control 70% of the US market. 

  • Reply 42 of 151
    v5v wrote: »
    A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price.

    But in the US... thanks to subsidies... iPhones and Android phones are the same price.

    Flagship iPhones and Android phones are $200 with contract... mid-range iPhones and Android phones are $100 with contract... low-end iPhones and Android phones are $0 with contract.

    I wish I could get a Mercedes for the same price as a Toyota!
  • Reply 43 of 151
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


     


    Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.


     


    Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.



     


    That appears to not be the case.


     



    http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html

  • Reply 44 of 151
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Originally Posted by rmcray08 View Post



    I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.



    The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android are inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.


     


    It would be good to have some numbers to know what percentage of Android sales are high end phones.


     


    All we really have is Samsung's claims based on Galaxy S "shipments" 100 million over the last three years, 10% of Schmidt's claim of a billion Android "activations", occurring later this year.


     


     



     


    Given that Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer, it seems that around 90% of Android devices are low to mid range.


     


    That's the elephant in the room Android promoters don't want to face.

  • Reply 45 of 151
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member


    The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened -  it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.

  • Reply 46 of 151
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rmcray08 View Post



    I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.



    The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.


     


    But yet an Android supporter such as yourself feels compelled to join and post on a site like AI. Do you feel like you still have to support your choice? Your posting history would tend to indicate that.

  • Reply 47 of 151

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    The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.



    I agree with mstone that it would be nice to see a chart that includes data from other carriers, such as CellularOne, Sprint, Tracfone, StraightTalk, VirginMobileUSA, Cricket, and T-Mobile to name a few.  Some of those who only recently started selling iPhones have had "bring your own phone" or "sim card only" type plans for a while, although I admit that finding hard data on most of it might be difficult.  The analysts might have to earn their pay for it.  ;)


     


    But in the data that IS shown, I think it's remarkable that there is NO seasonal spike in Android sales during the holiday period, despite heavy advertising and the lower cost of those handsets, both of which you might expect to impact gift-giving.  It seems that iPhone is a very desirable gift. That says something about consumer regard.  And we already know that Apple is the only maker out there substantially profiting from the sales.  So when you combine a desirable product with a high-margin and strong sales.... of course AAPL (stock) price will decline!  image


  • Reply 48 of 151
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.



     


    Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.

  • Reply 49 of 151
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member


    Articles slanted toward Apple really brings 'em out of the woodwork doesn't it. Where do they hide during the day?

  • Reply 50 of 151
    sensisensi Posts: 346member
    lkrupp wrote: »
    Articles slanted toward Apple really brings 'em out of the woodwork doesn't it. Where do they hide during the day?
    Maybe they are working, contrarily to the usual spammers and their Pavlovian and ludicrous litany, btw nice "article"...
  • Reply 51 of 151
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,885member


    Bu-bu-bu-but Android is winning!

  • Reply 52 of 151
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.

    MetroPCS is well on it's way to be considered a major carrier and they don't offer the iPhone.
  • Reply 53 of 151

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    The chart clearly shows Apple's YoY considerably higher. It's foolish to look at the quarter just after a holiday and compare it to a holiday. You either don't understand how to read the chart or you're deliberately being obtuse. Which one is it or do you want to still contend that Android isn't flat and that iOS isn't higher than Android according to the graph for a given carrier?


     


    iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.


     


    So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.

  • Reply 54 of 151
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike Eggleston View Post



    Actually, the arguements were never about a single person's choice on the matter.


     


    Actually, the post to which I was responding was. It was specifically about the kind of people ("demographics") who buy Android devices.

  • Reply 55 of 151
    rmcray08 wrote: »
    The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.

    Jelly Bean is great. Unfortunately... there are millions of Android phones that don't run Jelly Bean.

    You can get Android phones around the world for under $100 that run Gingerbread.

    Is the experience any good? Probably not.

    Do they sell a lot of them? Hell yeah... because they're cheap.

    When measuring the "Android" experience... you need to include ALL Android phones... and ALL Android OSes... not just the few flagship phones running Jelly Bean.

    If all those cheap phones are used to prop up Android's phenomenal market share numbers... then they have to be averaged into the Android user experience too.

    So I would say... on the whole... that "Android" doesn't offer a great experience.
  • Reply 56 of 151
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post


     


    That appears to not be the case.


     


    http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html



     


    Market share does not necessarily equate to "doing well".


     


    Even Google admits that their strategy is to have as many cheap, junk phones running Android as possible.


     


     


    The key to growth for Google’s Android (and likely most other handset manufacturers and mobile OS companies), however, is the developing world.


    “Our goal is to reach everybody,” said Schmidt, and one way to do that is to get handset prices down to $100 or $70, which are key price points for the 5 billion people who are still without smartphones.


  • Reply 57 of 151
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.



     


    Please let me know how many of the 105 carriers in the US do not sell iPhone and I will edit my post to reflect your data.

  • Reply 58 of 151
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.

    So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.

    1) It peaked in the December quarter? NO FUCKING SHIT?! YOU DON'T SAY?! :no:

    2) The numbers show about a 33% increase over the September results (with the iPhone 4S) and March results (with the iPhone 5).

    3) Again, if you don't know what YoY means or why it's more relevant for measuring year-over-year results then you need to take your ass back to school.
  • Reply 59 of 151

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    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post




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    Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.


     


    Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.



     


    That appears to not be the case.


     



    http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html



    Groan. More bogus data. Thanks. Very persuasive. NOT.

  • Reply 59 of 151
    denobindenobin Posts: 46member


    "You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish."


    Right, because fandroids NEVER do this.

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