A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price.
But in the US... thanks to subsidies... iPhones and Android phones are the same price.
Flagship iPhones and Android phones are $200 with contract... mid-range iPhones and Android phones are $100 with contract... low-end iPhones and Android phones are $0 with contract.
I wish I could get a Mercedes for the same price as a Toyota!
I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android are inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
It would be good to have some numbers to know what percentage of Android sales are high end phones.
All we really have is Samsung's claims based on Galaxy S "shipments" 100 million over the last three years, 10% of Schmidt's claim of a billion Android "activations", occurring later this year.
Given that Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer, it seems that around 90% of Android devices are low to mid range.
That's the elephant in the room Android promoters don't want to face.
The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened - it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.
I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
But yet an Android supporter such as yourself feels compelled to join and post on a site like AI. Do you feel like you still have to support your choice? Your posting history would tend to indicate that.
The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
I agree with mstone that it would be nice to see a chart that includes data from other carriers, such as CellularOne, Sprint, Tracfone, StraightTalk, VirginMobileUSA, Cricket, and T-Mobile to name a few. Some of those who only recently started selling iPhones have had "bring your own phone" or "sim card only" type plans for a while, although I admit that finding hard data on most of it might be difficult. The analysts might have to earn their pay for it.
But in the data that IS shown, I think it's remarkable that there is NO seasonal spike in Android sales during the holiday period, despite heavy advertising and the lower cost of those handsets, both of which you might expect to impact gift-giving. It seems that iPhone is a very desirable gift. That says something about consumer regard. And we already know that Apple is the only maker out there substantially profiting from the sales. So when you combine a desirable product with a high-margin and strong sales.... of course AAPL (stock) price will decline!
The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.
The chart clearly shows Apple's YoY considerably higher. It's foolish to look at the quarter just after a holiday and compare it to a holiday. You either don't understand how to read the chart or you're deliberately being obtuse. Which one is it or do you want to still contend that Android isn't flat and that iOS isn't higher than Android according to the graph for a given carrier?
iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.
So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
Jelly Bean is great. Unfortunately... there are millions of Android phones that don't run Jelly Bean.
You can get Android phones around the world for under $100 that run Gingerbread.
Is the experience any good? Probably not.
Do they sell a lot of them? Hell yeah... because they're cheap.
When measuring the "Android" experience... you need to include ALL Android phones... and ALL Android OSes... not just the few flagship phones running Jelly Bean.
If all those cheap phones are used to prop up Android's phenomenal market share numbers... then they have to be averaged into the Android user experience too.
So I would say... on the whole... that "Android" doesn't offer a great experience.
Market share does not necessarily equate to "doing well".
Even Google admits that their strategy is to have as many cheap, junk phones running Android as possible.
The key to growth for Google’s Android (and likely most other handset manufacturers and mobile OS companies), however, is the developing world.
“Our goal is to reach everybody,” said Schmidt, and one way to do that is to get handset prices down to $100 or $70, which are key price points for the 5 billion people who are still without smartphones.
iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.
So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.
1) It peaked in the December quarter? NO FUCKING SHIT?! YOU DON'T SAY?! :no:
2) The numbers show about a 33% increase over the September results (with the iPhone 4S) and March results (with the iPhone 5).
3) Again, if you don't know what YoY means or why it's more relevant for measuring year-over-year results then you need to take your ass back to school.
"You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish."
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Originally Posted by KDarling
From the last world comparison I saw, right when the iPhone 5 came out (if anyone has later, please post)...
Blah Blah .....
As I said to MacRulez above:
All bogus 'estimates.'
ATT's and VZW's are actuals. And they control 70% of the US market.
But in the US... thanks to subsidies... iPhones and Android phones are the same price.
Flagship iPhones and Android phones are $200 with contract... mid-range iPhones and Android phones are $100 with contract... low-end iPhones and Android phones are $0 with contract.
I wish I could get a Mercedes for the same price as a Toyota!
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.
Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.
That appears to not be the case.
http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html
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Originally Posted by rmcray08
I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android are inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
It would be good to have some numbers to know what percentage of Android sales are high end phones.
All we really have is Samsung's claims based on Galaxy S "shipments" 100 million over the last three years, 10% of Schmidt's claim of a billion Android "activations", occurring later this year.
Given that Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer, it seems that around 90% of Android devices are low to mid range.
That's the elephant in the room Android promoters don't want to face.
The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened - it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.
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Originally Posted by rmcray08
I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.
The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.
But yet an Android supporter such as yourself feels compelled to join and post on a site like AI. Do you feel like you still have to support your choice? Your posting history would tend to indicate that.
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The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
I agree with mstone that it would be nice to see a chart that includes data from other carriers, such as CellularOne, Sprint, Tracfone, StraightTalk, VirginMobileUSA, Cricket, and T-Mobile to name a few. Some of those who only recently started selling iPhones have had "bring your own phone" or "sim card only" type plans for a while, although I admit that finding hard data on most of it might be difficult. The analysts might have to earn their pay for it.
But in the data that IS shown, I think it's remarkable that there is NO seasonal spike in Android sales during the holiday period, despite heavy advertising and the lower cost of those handsets, both of which you might expect to impact gift-giving. It seems that iPhone is a very desirable gift. That says something about consumer regard. And we already know that Apple is the only maker out there substantially profiting from the sales. So when you combine a desirable product with a high-margin and strong sales.... of course AAPL (stock) price will decline!
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Originally Posted by mstone
The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.
Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.
Articles slanted toward Apple really brings 'em out of the woodwork doesn't it. Where do they hide during the day?
Bu-bu-bu-but Android is winning!
MetroPCS is well on it's way to be considered a major carrier and they don't offer the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
The chart clearly shows Apple's YoY considerably higher. It's foolish to look at the quarter just after a holiday and compare it to a holiday. You either don't understand how to read the chart or you're deliberately being obtuse. Which one is it or do you want to still contend that Android isn't flat and that iOS isn't higher than Android according to the graph for a given carrier?
iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.
So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.
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Originally Posted by Mike Eggleston
Actually, the arguements were never about a single person's choice on the matter.
Actually, the post to which I was responding was. It was specifically about the kind of people ("demographics") who buy Android devices.
Jelly Bean is great. Unfortunately... there are millions of Android phones that don't run Jelly Bean.
You can get Android phones around the world for under $100 that run Gingerbread.
Is the experience any good? Probably not.
Do they sell a lot of them? Hell yeah... because they're cheap.
When measuring the "Android" experience... you need to include ALL Android phones... and ALL Android OSes... not just the few flagship phones running Jelly Bean.
If all those cheap phones are used to prop up Android's phenomenal market share numbers... then they have to be averaged into the Android user experience too.
So I would say... on the whole... that "Android" doesn't offer a great experience.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
That appears to not be the case.
http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html
Market share does not necessarily equate to "doing well".
Even Google admits that their strategy is to have as many cheap, junk phones running Android as possible.
The key to growth for Google’s Android (and likely most other handset manufacturers and mobile OS companies), however, is the developing world.
“Our goal is to reach everybody,” said Schmidt, and one way to do that is to get handset prices down to $100 or $70, which are key price points for the 5 billion people who are still without smartphones.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.
Please let me know how many of the 105 carriers in the US do not sell iPhone and I will edit my post to reflect your data.
1) It peaked in the December quarter? NO FUCKING SHIT?! YOU DON'T SAY?! :no:
2) The numbers show about a 33% increase over the September results (with the iPhone 4S) and March results (with the iPhone 5).
3) Again, if you don't know what YoY means or why it's more relevant for measuring year-over-year results then you need to take your ass back to school.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.
Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.
That appears to not be the case.
http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html
Groan. More bogus data. Thanks. Very persuasive. NOT.
"You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish."
Right, because fandroids NEVER do this.