I am increasingly of the opinion that there is no news that can be trusted with regard to Apple. Every one has made up their minds already and are simply following the information that proves what they already know. Apple 2.0 and Asymco are the exceptions to this rule. They both attempt to ask what is wrong when they make a mistake. Appleinsider is too interested in collecting information to ask questions or report on their errors. See Apple 2.0's reporting on the false report about droping ipad mini sales. The shear volumn of false reporting is astonishing given how often it is literally designed to mislead the market.
It is amazing how Apple haters lap this tripe up. They are told what to think and they do, like they have no minds. The irony is Apple haters have the nerve to call Apple users sheeple .... :no:
Do you have some statistics on returns that would make you think shipped doesn't ultimately equal sold?
The problem isn't shipped vs sold, the problem is that other than Apple, the shipped numbers are ESTIMATES, not reall numbers provided by the device makers. If Android's numbers are so good why don't other companies disclose how many devices they shipped (either directly to consumers or to resellers)?
Due to Canalys' methodology, Microsoft came in behind Android and Apple with a 19.3 percent share of the "smart mobile device" market thanks to its huge influence in the notebook PC segment. The notebook market saw 50.5 million shipped units, a contraction of 13.1 percent from 2012.
Next quarter Canalys plan to include riding lawnmowers as part of the "smart mobile market"… Likely, John Deere will capture 75% of the market!
Apple can't track all sales. They don't know what is all sold everywhere. They don't have access to other company's inventories. There was an article I read last night that stated that Apple's numbers are "shipped", because they can only track sales through their stores.
Apple can't track all sales. They don't know what is all sold everywhere. They don't have access to other company's inventories. There was an article I read last night that stated that Apple's numbers are "shipped", because they can only track sales through their stores.
"sold" is a myth.
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Here's the thing. Apple releases actual numbers for shipped. They also give out an estimate on what they have in inventory.
Apple can't track all sales. They don't know what is all sold everywhere. They don't have access to other company's inventories. There was an article I read last night that stated that Apple's numbers are "shipped", because they can only track sales through their stores.
"sold" is a myth.
P
Yes but good luck getting people to get that here. Apples numbers are shipped not sell through, although you get the sell through in the conference call.
Yes. Android sales are estimates but even if those estimates were 10% off in unit shipments android is still way ahead.
Yes but good luck getting people to get that here. Apples numbers are shipped not sell through, although you get the sell through in the conference call.
Yes. Android sales are estimates but even if those estimates were 10% off in unit shipments android is still way ahead.
I don't believe Apple themselves has ever explained how they determine channel inventory numbers. If they have perhaps someone could link it. It's almost assuredly an estimate only, tho an educated one, as I don't believe a physical count from hundreds of worldwide retail outlets would be a reasonable expectation.
I don't believe Apple themselves has ever explained how they determine channel inventory numbers. If they have perhaps someone could link it. It's almost assuredly an estimate only, tho an educated one, as I don't believe a physical count from hundreds of worldwide retail outlets would be a reasonable expectation.
I used to work in Apple Cork where they knew exactly down to the unit how many were shipped per quarter from Cork. Foxconn sends devices to Apple which distributes them to channel or direct online sales which can be tracked. So that bit is true - Apples figures are near enough exact, or exact.
They are mostly sales to Channel though , as well as sales to online consumers.
I used to work in Apple Cork where they knew exactly down to the unit how many were shipped per quarter from Cork. Foxconn sends devices to Apple which distributes them to channel or direct online sales which can be tracked. So that bit is true - Apples figures are near enough exact, or exact.
They are mostly sales to Channel though , as well as sales to online consumers.
I don't doubt at all that Apple would know how many units they had shipped, as well they should! I don't believe Apple "knows" the actual product inventory numbers from hundreds of resellers with nearly the same degree of certainly.
A lot of companies are losing money on low margin phones.
They aren't losing money. They're making money that no one else would get.
For extreme example, take Nokia's $20 phone. That's a ridiculously low price, yet they make $4 per unit (20% margin) and probably sell millions of them.
As they say, "A penny here, a penny there. Pretty soon you're talking about real money"
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"Like they have no minds"?
You're way too charitable......
The problem isn't shipped vs sold, the problem is that other than Apple, the shipped numbers are ESTIMATES, not reall numbers provided by the device makers. If Android's numbers are so good why don't other companies disclose how many devices they shipped (either directly to consumers or to resellers)?
Next quarter Canalys plan to include riding lawnmowers as part of the "smart mobile market"… Likely, John Deere will capture 75% of the market!
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Next quarter Canalys plan to include riding lawnmowers as part of the "smart mobile market"… Likely, John Deere will capture 75% of the market!
How else to include Microsoft in a discussion on the mobile market if laptops aren't included?
Sorry, you guys are kicking and screaming but i do find these stats believable, besides samsung's huge numbers.
Again, some of you are missing the point here:
This is about smartphones + tablets + computers.
Apple just passed all of those windows OEMs for good. That's amazing and worth some sort of docs by Discovery or something like that.
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here we go, Shipped vs Sales again
lol losers
Apple can't track all sales. They don't know what is all sold everywhere. They don't have access to other company's inventories. There was an article I read last night that stated that Apple's numbers are "shipped", because they can only track sales through their stores.
"sold" is a myth.
P
Hope Apple remembers Steve Jobs words in his interview alongside Bill Gates.
"Apple didn't need to beat Microsoft. Apple had to remember who Apple was!"
Here's the thing. Apple releases actual numbers for shipped. They also give out an estimate on what they have in inventory.
Yes but good luck getting people to get that here. Apples numbers are shipped not sell through, although you get the sell through in the conference call.
Yes. Android sales are estimates but even if those estimates were 10% off in unit shipments android is still way ahead.
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Yes but good luck getting people to get that here. Apples numbers are shipped not sell through, although you get the sell through in the conference call.
Yes. Android sales are estimates but even if those estimates were 10% off in unit shipments android is still way ahead.
I don't believe Apple themselves has ever explained how they determine channel inventory numbers. If they have perhaps someone could link it. It's almost assuredly an estimate only, tho an educated one, as I don't believe a physical count from hundreds of worldwide retail outlets would be a reasonable expectation.
CLEAN water is not free anymore.
What's really funny is that Coke takes water away from third world farmers, who end up not being able to grow crops, and then commit suicide.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/july-dec08/waterwars_11-17.html
Also pesticides and cover ups in Coke.
http://killercoke.org/crimes_india.php
The link above is one-sided, but gives a good overview.
I used to work in Apple Cork where they knew exactly down to the unit how many were shipped per quarter from Cork. Foxconn sends devices to Apple which distributes them to channel or direct online sales which can be tracked. So that bit is true - Apples figures are near enough exact, or exact.
They are mostly sales to Channel though , as well as sales to online consumers.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
I used to work in Apple Cork where they knew exactly down to the unit how many were shipped per quarter from Cork. Foxconn sends devices to Apple which distributes them to channel or direct online sales which can be tracked. So that bit is true - Apples figures are near enough exact, or exact.
They are mostly sales to Channel though , as well as sales to online consumers.
I don't doubt at all that Apple would know how many units they had shipped, as well they should! I don't believe Apple "knows" the actual product inventory numbers from hundreds of resellers with nearly the same degree of certainly.
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Originally Posted by MessagePad2100
A lot of companies are losing money on low margin phones.
They aren't losing money. They're making money that no one else would get.
For extreme example, take Nokia's $20 phone. That's a ridiculously low price, yet they make $4 per unit (20% margin) and probably sell millions of them.
As they say, "A penny here, a penny there. Pretty soon you're talking about real money"