Phones got 'em, Pads got 'em, Pixel's got one*, even MBP's got 'em.... ...(and when it fits the price/power point)... ...let's do it!
It is certainly possible but I'm just not sure the tech is ready for AIR. Not because if the screens which are obviously here now but rather due to the GPU. I'm just not sure Haswell has the oomph to drive such a display at AIR power levels.
*[Pixel and Kira may or may not have the optical quality of the rMBP's - e.g., I dunno if they're "pentile" or what. Jus' sayin'....]
It's not "people suffering" that determines this.... ...it's strictly Apple's view of the business case for keeping on with building, stocking and selling 'em.... ...and I believe "they have people for that" kind of analysis.... ...'least ways their ongoing bottom lines kinda/sorta indicate they have a decent sense of this.....
....Meanwhile, there will always be people who truly enjoy riding in a horse-drawn buggy or carriage. And they can do so, e.g., in NYC, in Central Park.
NYC is a place I will avoid for as long as I can. I'd rather fly to Las Vegas, clear across the country, than to ever get near NYC again. The people are much nicer out west.
While I agree with you, I also wonder whom among us (power users) are bothered by the lack of one feature or another on a given device. Don't we all have multiple machines and financial resources to afford external drives or accessories that provide whatever we need?
I certainly don't and frankly neither does the company I work for. Everybody has limits and different appreciations for value.
Our personal average is 3-4 battery replacements before we typically move to a new computer (older machines end up sticking around for secondary uses (kids, kitchen/recipes/browsing, etc.). I realize this is a longer lifecycle than for some people, but these are good machines and I hate to throw them out just because their batteries are no longer up to snuff and when they can still be useful.
That's about right. I'm running my third battery in my late 2006 MBP and it's not holding a charge any longer. Damn, these Apple laptops just won't die!!!
I'm certain there are happy retina users out there but that doesn't mean there are a large number of users flocking to buy this machine. It comes down to this, many users are taking the original MBP over the retina. Some thing that is purely an issue of price but I don't buy that. A good portion of those buyers are skipping the retina machine not for what it has but rather what has been left out.
Are there numbers out there indicating unequivocally that (a) there are not a larger number of rMBP customers and (b) many users are taking the original MBP over the RP version?
Not at all. Different OS. Different apps. Touch v. keyboard.
You're so close and yet…
You don't really expect laptops to stick around forever, do you? I imagine that by the start of the '20s, only swiftly-bankrupting PC manufacturers will sell laptops.
You don't really expect laptops to stick around forever, do you? I imagine that by the start of the '20s, only swiftly-bankrupting PC manufacturers will sell laptops.
Perhaps. But laptops as we know them today will not be displaced entirely by tablets as we know today.
You do realize that this is an argument for MBPs with optical drives. That drive give people this very option, something they can't do with the retina MBP. It is just another way that the original MBP is an all around better platform than the Retina machine. Too many people here want to turn the retina MBP into an AIR. A 15" AIR would be nice but like the current retina machine it won't meet every bodies needs.
What always happens here is that any discussion turns into an either or proposition. And a lot of chest thumping. At the moment there are two possible ways to go and to each his own for as long as it is possible. I have upgraded my old MBP and what I got for my money was a MUCH better performance for a small amount of money. But the next machine I buy, given that the old MBP is still available, will be a rMBP, no question. I love the 13" MBA so in a year or two I will re-evaluate. I'd love to function on a full size iPad and 27" iMac, but too often I need graphic packages on the go.
All to say - yeah, long live the old mbp, I have no issues with that, but when it goes I'll already have moved on.
What always happens here is that any discussion turns into an either or proposition. And a lot of chest thumping. At the moment there are two possible ways to go and to each his own for as long as it is possible. I have upgraded my old MBP and what I got for my money was a MUCH better performance for a small amount of money. But the next machine I buy, given that the old MBP is still available, will be a rMBP, no question. I love the 13" MBA so in a year or two I will re-evaluate. I'd love to function on a full size iPad and 27" iMac, but too often I need graphic packages on the go.
All to say - yeah, long live the old mbp, I have no issues with that, but when it goes I'll already have moved on.
Do it. I bought my 15" rMBP a year ago and it is the best notebook I have ever owned, even though I still have a 13" MBA.
I had to decide 6 months ago whether to get an MBP or rMBP.
I knew I would need Ethernet, and already had a fast 256GB SSD I could replace the MBP HD with, so the logical thing was to get the standard MBP. But I threw caution to the wind and got a rMBP with TB->Ethernet adapter instead, and am glad I did. The Retina screen is something that still impresses me 6 months later.
I already had an iPad Retina, and Retina was just a marginal improvement on that I thought, but on the Mac it is somehow more noticeable. Maybe if you have been a Mac fan for years and years, with the window and button images burned in to your brain, then sharpening their appearance is more noticeable.
The rMBP has ports (:rolleyes: ) and "a lot of people" sure don't need an ODD.
Most people I know with ODD-less laptops actually have external ODD, so I'm far from convinced. Was there any serious poll regarding ODD usage nowadays you can refer to, anyway?
I certainly hope (and think) the Analyst is full of Horse S*#^!
I am sure Apple will move to the Haswell Chips for their MBP's - Apple always strives to give better (the best) battery life (you think Apple want others to be able to brag better battery life over Apples offering...) and 10% more processing power - he thinks we don't want more horses under our key pads????
I have a 2012 MBP and I have reached the limit on what the chips can let me do. I want and need more power.
Oh and as for the original layout with hard drives inside - I certainly hope they do continue to offer this model - I have had to take out my hard drive and optical drive to fit my two SSDs inside it. One 960 gig and one 480. I have already used up 1.2 of the 1.5 potential and I can see this being in need of refreshing to be larger. It will be a number of years before Apple can / will offer this as a factory upgrade option to this level of storage.
Yes but the PPC was completly lagging behind the intel processor when they were phased out. The Classic Macbook pro is not lagging behind the PC market.
Sigh..... I always import my CDs, I should have typed, I use my ODD to import CDs into itunes...
DVDs aren't really meant to be ripped (Well legally) so I will play them in the drive.
I'm with you. I travel much as I can and, regardless I try to secure good hotel wherever I go, I still come across hotels with Ethernet only. Even at home, I might plug my laptop on occasion to gigabit switch to copy large amount of data accross to a server.
Re ODD, I'd sacrifice it (actually replace it with external) for better battery life and/or better graphics, but not for slimmer laptop. I'm carrying laptop in Everki Versa backpack when travelling and few mm slimmer unit does not make any difference thickness or weight wise.
I've got 120GB SSD in my old ThinkPad laptop, thinking it will be enough for my usage scenario - I use it a lot while traveling but that is once or twice a year at best, rest of time usage is very light. However, since my new camera is spitting out 20MB RAW files, my laptop is down to 35GB after 2 weeks - and I still have almost 3 weeks of travel in front of me. My laptop's setup was as light as possible, all media except for RAWs on external USB HDD, music on iPhone and iPad... But I'm still running out of space. Unless price of SSDs goes down significantly before my next travel, it is very likely I'm going back to a spinner HDD, for a while at least.
Yes of course I can use external Ethernet, external ODD & HDD, but. We will change 4 hotels and also stay with my and my wife's parents for a while, so taking care about number of easy to lose gadgets is really less convenient than a few millimetres in laptop's thickness.
I'm looking at replacing my ThinkPad with something else before next trip, and classic MBP is on my list. MBP retina, not so. It is great machine, but it just doesn't fit my needs as good as classic.
Different people, different scenarios, different priorities.
I have the 15in rMBP. The Optical disk drive is a waste in a laptop, even in PC world Ultrabooks don't have them anymore either. Argument is dead in the water. The only optical disk people should need is maybe a Blu-Ray player for their TV. An external drive for the occasional time you need one is fine and does the job. However, the lack of Ethernet is still a minor frustration point. Wifi may be good enough for most at home or a Starbucks; but Ethernet is still faster, more reliable, and the only way most businesses let you connect to secure data. Unlike HDs and ODDs, it's not going anywhere. Sure I use an adapter, but it's clumsy, and have to be conscientious of bringing it with me all the time. Otherwise this is the best darn computer I've ever used.
Leave the adapter in work, if you must use it there, yes, it's annoying, but leaving it there makes sense.
Thankyou!!! Someone agrees with me Wizard 69 as well.
The last I had heard was that the Macbook Pro classic was still selling better than the air..... suggesting that users may be missing something in the Air.
To me the mac laptops are far from perfect. For all the models that dont have a GPU, at least the new intel chips will be strong enough to drive the 13" rMBP and allow to build rMBA. But that is intel innovation, not apple. If Apple only upgrade the CPU and the cameras, that would mean they didnt innovate anything in year.
I would like to see OS-X borrow the new iOS touch interface (optionnal mode) so they can build touch screen models that turn into tablets. Onthe hardware side, find a clever way to build tablet/laptops hybrids.
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NYC is a place I will avoid for as long as I can. I'd rather fly to Las Vegas, clear across the country, than to ever get near NYC again. The people are much nicer out west.
I certainly don't and frankly neither does the company I work for. Everybody has limits and different appreciations for value.
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Originally Posted by tikiman
Our personal average is 3-4 battery replacements before we typically move to a new computer (older machines end up sticking around for secondary uses (kids, kitchen/recipes/browsing, etc.). I realize this is a longer lifecycle than for some people, but these are good machines and I hate to throw them out just because their batteries are no longer up to snuff and when they can still be useful.
That's about right. I'm running my third battery in my late 2006 MBP and it's not holding a charge any longer. Damn, these Apple laptops just won't die!!!
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Originally Posted by wizard69
I'm certain there are happy retina users out there but that doesn't mean there are a large number of users flocking to buy this machine. It comes down to this, many users are taking the original MBP over the retina. Some thing that is purely an issue of price but I don't buy that. A good portion of those buyers are skipping the retina machine not for what it has but rather what has been left out.
Are there numbers out there indicating unequivocally that (a) there are not a larger number of rMBP customers and (b) many users are taking the original MBP over the RP version?
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Originally Posted by StruckPaper
So we might end with a rMBA but rMBP will be thinner than before. Wouldn't that blur the lines even more between the Pro and Air lines?
If they make the MBA thinner and lighter then the current model, Apple will be blurring the lines between the MBA and the iPad.
It's becoming a small world after all...
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
If they make the MBA thinner and lighter then the current model, Apple will be blurring the lines between the MBA and the iPad.
It's becoming a small world after all...
Not at all. Different OS. Different apps. Touch v. keyboard.
MBA and MBP, however, differ only in hardware.
Originally Posted by StruckPaper
Not at all. Different OS. Different apps. Touch v. keyboard.
You're so close and yet…
You don't really expect laptops to stick around forever, do you? I imagine that by the start of the '20s, only swiftly-bankrupting PC manufacturers will sell laptops.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You're so close and yet…
You don't really expect laptops to stick around forever, do you? I imagine that by the start of the '20s, only swiftly-bankrupting PC manufacturers will sell laptops.
Perhaps. But laptops as we know them today will not be displaced entirely by tablets as we know today.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
You do realize that this is an argument for MBPs with optical drives. That drive give people this very option, something they can't do with the retina MBP. It is just another way that the original MBP is an all around better platform than the Retina machine. Too many people here want to turn the retina MBP into an AIR. A 15" AIR would be nice but like the current retina machine it won't meet every bodies needs.
What always happens here is that any discussion turns into an either or proposition. And a lot of chest thumping. At the moment there are two possible ways to go and to each his own for as long as it is possible. I have upgraded my old MBP and what I got for my money was a MUCH better performance for a small amount of money. But the next machine I buy, given that the old MBP is still available, will be a rMBP, no question. I love the 13" MBA so in a year or two I will re-evaluate. I'd love to function on a full size iPad and 27" iMac, but too often I need graphic packages on the go.
All to say - yeah, long live the old mbp, I have no issues with that, but when it goes I'll already have moved on.
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Originally Posted by paxman
What always happens here is that any discussion turns into an either or proposition. And a lot of chest thumping. At the moment there are two possible ways to go and to each his own for as long as it is possible. I have upgraded my old MBP and what I got for my money was a MUCH better performance for a small amount of money. But the next machine I buy, given that the old MBP is still available, will be a rMBP, no question. I love the 13" MBA so in a year or two I will re-evaluate. I'd love to function on a full size iPad and 27" iMac, but too often I need graphic packages on the go.
All to say - yeah, long live the old mbp, I have no issues with that, but when it goes I'll already have moved on.
Do it. I bought my 15" rMBP a year ago and it is the best notebook I have ever owned, even though I still have a 13" MBA.
Doh!
No question - it's the portable to have. But that AND a 27" iMac? That would be greedy wouldn't it?
I had to decide 6 months ago whether to get an MBP or rMBP.
I knew I would need Ethernet, and already had a fast 256GB SSD I could replace the MBP HD with, so the logical thing was to get the standard MBP. But I threw caution to the wind and got a rMBP with TB->Ethernet adapter instead, and am glad I did. The Retina screen is something that still impresses me 6 months later.
I already had an iPad Retina, and Retina was just a marginal improvement on that I thought, but on the Mac it is somehow more noticeable. Maybe if you have been a Mac fan for years and years, with the window and button images burned in to your brain, then sharpening their appearance is more noticeable.
Most people I know with ODD-less laptops actually have external ODD, so I'm far from convinced. Was there any serious poll regarding ODD usage nowadays you can refer to, anyway?
I am sure Apple will move to the Haswell Chips for their MBP's - Apple always strives to give better (the best) battery life (you think Apple want others to be able to brag better battery life over Apples offering...) and 10% more processing power - he thinks we don't want more horses under our key pads????
I have a 2012 MBP and I have reached the limit on what the chips can let me do. I want and need more power.
Oh and as for the original layout with hard drives inside - I certainly hope they do continue to offer this model - I have had to take out my hard drive and optical drive to fit my two SSDs inside it. One 960 gig and one 480. I have already used up 1.2 of the 1.5 potential and I can see this being in need of refreshing to be larger. It will be a number of years before Apple can / will offer this as a factory upgrade option to this level of storage.
I'm with you. I travel much as I can and, regardless I try to secure good hotel wherever I go, I still come across hotels with Ethernet only. Even at home, I might plug my laptop on occasion to gigabit switch to copy large amount of data accross to a server.
Re ODD, I'd sacrifice it (actually replace it with external) for better battery life and/or better graphics, but not for slimmer laptop. I'm carrying laptop in Everki Versa backpack when travelling and few mm slimmer unit does not make any difference thickness or weight wise.
I've got 120GB SSD in my old ThinkPad laptop, thinking it will be enough for my usage scenario - I use it a lot while traveling but that is once or twice a year at best, rest of time usage is very light. However, since my new camera is spitting out 20MB RAW files, my laptop is down to 35GB after 2 weeks - and I still have almost 3 weeks of travel in front of me. My laptop's setup was as light as possible, all media except for RAWs on external USB HDD, music on iPhone and iPad... But I'm still running out of space. Unless price of SSDs goes down significantly before my next travel, it is very likely I'm going back to a spinner HDD, for a while at least.
Yes of course I can use external Ethernet, external ODD & HDD, but. We will change 4 hotels and also stay with my and my wife's parents for a while, so taking care about number of easy to lose gadgets is really less convenient than a few millimetres in laptop's thickness.
I'm looking at replacing my ThinkPad with something else before next trip, and classic MBP is on my list. MBP retina, not so. It is great machine, but it just doesn't fit my needs as good as classic.
Different people, different scenarios, different priorities.
Leave the adapter in work, if you must use it there, yes, it's annoying, but leaving it there makes sense.
Thankyou!!! Someone agrees with me
The last I had heard was that the Macbook Pro classic was still selling better than the air..... suggesting that users may be missing something in the Air.
I would like to see OS-X borrow the new iOS touch interface (optionnal mode) so they can build touch screen models that turn into tablets. Onthe hardware side, find a clever way to build tablet/laptops hybrids.
If the only place you work is home and work that might be fine.