While I quite like lots of elements of iOS7, and have mixed feeling about others (the new icons? really?) I'm interested in how this new, very opinionated, very forthright style for iOS will work with third party apps. iOS up to now has not been without problems, but one thing it's been pretty good at is promiscuity with lots of different interfaces in apps. Developers could go out on crazy tangents with their UIs, and iOS still seemed to work with it, without jarring transitions, because the central OS had a certain plain flexibility. Flat was ok, textured was ok, 3D crazy holographic was ok, I have apps with all sorts of weird and wonderful UIs that I can flit between and not mind the differences. But with an OS that is so distinct in its design choices, is that going to make textured apps seem out of place?, Will apps that don't have the same approach to translucency and flatness stick out like a sore thumb? Especially when you pull up control center,or pull down Notification Center, and get that iOS style reminder overlaid on an app. Maybe not, maybe it'll be fine, but it'll be interesting to see.
And the even worse alternative is that all apps follow Apple's design lead and we end up with a rather bland and boring platform, where the price of consistency is that everything looks the same, which I think is a problem with Windows Phone. I think that's less likely though, the iOS development community is just as opinionated and stubborn (in a good way) as Apple
While I quite like lots of elements of iOS7, and have mixed feeling about others (the new icons? really?) I'm interested in how this new, very opinionated, very forthright style for iOS will work with third party apps. iOS up to now has not been without problems, but one thing it's been pretty good at is promiscuity with lots of different interfaces in apps. Developers could go out on crazy tangents with their UIs, and iOS still seemed to work with it, without jarring transitions, because the central OS had a certain plain flexibility. Flat was ok, textured was ok, 3D crazy holographic was ok, I have apps with all sorts of weird and wonderful UIs that I can flit between and not mind the differences. But with an OS that is so distinct in its design choices, is that going to make textured apps seem out of place?, Will apps that don't have the same approach to translucency and flatness stick out like a sore thumb? Especially when you pull up control center,or pull down Notification Center, and get that iOS style reminder overlaid on an app. <span style="line-height:1.231;">Maybe not, maybe it'll be fine, but it'll be interesting to see.</span>
<span style="line-height:1.231;">And the even worse alternative is that all apps follow Apple's design lead and we end up with a rather bland and boring platform, where the price of consistency is that everything looks the same, which I think is a problem with Windows Phone. I think that's less likely though, the iOS development community is just as opinionated and stubborn (in a good way) as Apple </span>
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I listened to the Accidental Tech podcast with John Siracussa and Marco Arment. Their overall opinion is that it was time for iOS to change but it will be messy for a while as developers work on updating their apps. I enjoyed this podcast because it was a thoughtful discussion about iOS 7, not a knee jerk reaction based on the look of app icons.
Something interesting they talked about was in iOS 6 Apple (and prior) Apple used textures, gradients, shadows, etc. to give something 2D depth or a 3D feel but it was kind of fake 3D. Whereas in iOS 7 they removed a lot of that but you get a more realistic 3D feel with other things they've implemented like parallax and UIKit Dynamics. And that not once did Apple use the word "flat" in their keynote. This stuff has me stoked. I went back and re-watched the keynote and the icons look like they're basically floating on the screen. You definitely saw depth between the icon and the wallpaper. And some of the animations (like in the weather app) are super cool too. My fingers are crossed that Apple can get this working right without negative impact to battery life.
My overall impression based on what I've seen/read is while there is a flatter design aesthetic ala Windows/Android, iOS 7 still has a lot of depth compared to Windows 8 which is flat as a pancake.
Installed the iOS7 beta on my iPod touch yesterday. It definitely feels like a completely different animal than previous versions, like it shed 500lbs of weight. The sum of the changes, overall, are generally fantastic and for the better. In many areas, it looks absolutely beautiful. Other places, it needs some refining and cleaning up (ie, the messages app looks gorgeous. News Stand, not so much). As for the icons, like anything, you get used to them, and they become irrelevant. I can't imagine the work that went into putting this together, and I think now that the pieces are there it will improve at a rapid pace.
After using the OS for a while my iPhone on iOS6 already feels still and stodgy. This one is just so much more light, alive, and animated.
But it's a drastic change, and I do feel a bid bad for Forstall when using it, as it's clear they've thrown so many thousands of hrs of design time for previous OSes in the trash. And to me- the fact that Apple was willing to do this at such a drastic level, regardless of your personal opinion of the new look, only tells me positive things about the company and their boldness moving forward.
While I quite like lots of elements of iOS7, and have mixed feeling about others (the new icons? really?) I'm interested in how this new, very opinionated, very forthright style for iOS will work with third party apps. iOS up to now has not been without problems, but one thing it's been pretty good at is promiscuity with lots of different interfaces in apps. Developers could go out on crazy tangents with their UIs, and iOS still seemed to work with it, without jarring transitions, because the central OS had a certain plain flexibility. Flat was ok, textured was ok, 3D crazy holographic was ok, I have apps with all sorts of weird and wonderful UIs that I can flit between and not mind the differences. But with an OS that is so distinct in its design choices, is that going to make textured apps seem out of place?, Will apps that don't have the same approach to translucency and flatness stick out like a sore thumb? Especially when you pull up control center,or pull down Notification Center, and get that iOS style reminder overlaid on an app. Maybe not, maybe it'll be fine, but it'll be interesting to see.
And the even worse alternative is that all apps follow Apple's design lead and we end up with a rather bland and boring platform, where the price of consistency is that everything looks the same, which I think is a problem with Windows Phone. I think that's less likely though, the iOS development community is just as opinionated and stubborn (in a good way) as Apple
I REALLY hope that app developers dont just do ahead and drop their interface to mimick what Apple has done. That would be the worst thing ever. I don't think the current look of iOS should put pressure on them to do that- if ANYTHING, there's now less going on, and it's more "neutral". Devs should continue going crazy with their interfaces and being unique- I DON'T want all my apps transitioning to helvetica on a shitload of whitespace. I think it looks fantastic on the OS level, but will suck all the diversity and interest out of the app ecosystem.
Well, I'm first in line of believers in the truth that Mr Forstall might have been full of shit and all skeuomorphic evil he did should now be damned and burnt down.
Sadly, I would never know the answer to the question that I've long been asking Apple:
OK, I see what small rounded rectangle icons are to the iPhone. They are just what buttons are to a phone. Got it.
What are small rounded rectangle icons to the iPad?
I know, amusing parallactic moves, which must be turning 3-4 in Android development these days, are much easier to figure out..
I have no idea what your point is. Part of the reason for iPad's success is that it shares the general same interface and apps as iPhone, and familiarity is there. Or should Apple throw this compatibility and cohesiveness in the trash, to entertain people like you?
Installed the iOS7 beta on my iPod touch yesterday. It definitely feels like a completely different animal than previous versions, like it shed 500lbs of weight. The sum of the changes, overall, are generally fantastic and for the better. In many areas, it looks absolutely beautiful. Other places, it needs some refining and cleaning up (ie, the messages app looks gorgeous. News Stand, not so much). As for the icons, like anything, you get used to them, and they become irrelevant. I can't imagine the work that went into putting this together, and I think now that the pieces are there it will improve at a rapid pace.
After using the OS for a while my iPhone on iOS6 already feels still and stodgy. This one is just so much more light, alive, and animated.
But it's a drastic change, and I do feel a bid bad for Forstall when using it, as it's clear they've thrown so many thousands of hrs of design time for previous OSes in the trash. And to me- the fact that Apple was willing to do this at such a drastic level, regardless of your personal opinion of the new look, only tells me positive things about the company and their boldness moving forward.
Your commentary paints a very hopeful picture. The look is growing on me and I feel sets the stage for a much more consistent experience. If 10 people have an opinion about look and feel, there will be quite likely, 10 quite different opinions. However, under the hood improvements no doubt vastly exceed aesthetic changes in benefit to users.
If anyone is interested in trying out iOS 7, but needs to register their UDID numbers, I have a few slots left under my developer account. I request a competitively small donation for this service. PM me or contact me at nalakrub1 at google.
Good god, are you touched? One card layout for multitasking and wallpaper looking similar. Keep digging kid
Uh wow when your entire new UI is basically some color changes and icons designs I would think that showing two of the biggest new features being direct copies is kinda a big deal. I guess if google has slide to unlock then it's ripping off apple, but if apple basically completely copies the entire lock screen, Dynamic/live wallpaper, and the UI for multitasking then it's no big deal right?
Please inform me on what the big changes were again? Oh that's right it was almost entirely a face lift... I guess a large percentage of that being stolen is totally alright....kid
Not trying to get bashed or anything i'm just trying to add some facts that should be considered before making a conclusion.
I appreciate the fact that some people feel this way, but it truly is a perceptional bias, you can see elements of IOS7 alot of different ways if you are so pre-disposed. I am a regular visitor to windows phone and BB forums and everyone is screaming that it copied their operating system. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
I appreciate the fact that some people feel this way, but it truly is a perceptional bias, you can see elements of IOS7 alot of different ways if you are so pre-disposed. I am a regular visitor to windows phone and BB forums and everyone is screaming that it copied their operating system. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
I understand that to some degree but this is pretty much copy paste with tiny tweets. I just think that the level of hypocrisy around here is pretty hilarious. Oh google copied the spring back function that is a super tiny detail. Alert the presses and the wave of apple defenders swarm to AI but if apple copies entire areas of the UI they get a pass.
I had hoped Apple would have gone with a very slick and subtle toned down, but still somewhat skeuomorphic design. Instead applications seemed to have gone slavishly flat with no button cues. So that is disappointment.
But then there are the icons, that are boring and amateurish. Another disappointment.
But finally there is the color scheme. W.T.F. ? Was someone high watching kiddie cartoons when they decided to chose a new palette.
There are some nice functional improvements but the look makes me want to retch.
I am using an image of the iOS 7, home screen straight from Apple, and you are editing yours in photoshop and you argue about the propriety of my comparison?
The truth is the default colors as shown, are gag inducing kiddie cartoon stuff.
BTW, here is a great link having fun with the new iOS 7 palette.
Kindergarten design from stone age IMHO. Apple still design from MS Metro, Android and even died Symbian... I expect a lot of copyright claims and reduction of sales, I'll personally migrate to Sony Xperia with NFC and waterproof.
iPhone 4S with iOS6 was really the best for that time, Steve pls come back, otherwise this gay destroy your company !
The next iPhone update is due out when iOS 7 is released, around OCT-ish. Until then, there will not be any sneak peaks, which would kill Apple's great PR talents
[/quote] … They gave it a standing ovation yesterday. Probably because they were more focused on the improved functionality than whether the app icons are ugly or not. :rolleyes:[/quote]
Well, the Apple employees gave a standing ovation at least. Apple staff are known to sit in the audience to be the excited attendees, cheering & standing, etc.
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While I quite like lots of elements of iOS7, and have mixed feeling about others (the new icons? really?) I'm interested in how this new, very opinionated, very forthright style for iOS will work with third party apps. iOS up to now has not been without problems, but one thing it's been pretty good at is promiscuity with lots of different interfaces in apps. Developers could go out on crazy tangents with their UIs, and iOS still seemed to work with it, without jarring transitions, because the central OS had a certain plain flexibility. Flat was ok, textured was ok, 3D crazy holographic was ok, I have apps with all sorts of weird and wonderful UIs that I can flit between and not mind the differences. But with an OS that is so distinct in its design choices, is that going to make textured apps seem out of place?, Will apps that don't have the same approach to translucency and flatness stick out like a sore thumb? Especially when you pull up control center,or pull down Notification Center, and get that iOS style reminder overlaid on an app. Maybe not, maybe it'll be fine, but it'll be interesting to see.
And the even worse alternative is that all apps follow Apple's design lead and we end up with a rather bland and boring platform, where the price of consistency is that everything looks the same, which I think is a problem with Windows Phone. I think that's less likely though, the iOS development community is just as opinionated and stubborn (in a good way) as Apple
Something interesting they talked about was in iOS 6 Apple (and prior) Apple used textures, gradients, shadows, etc. to give something 2D depth or a 3D feel but it was kind of fake 3D. Whereas in iOS 7 they removed a lot of that but you get a more realistic 3D feel with other things they've implemented like parallax and UIKit Dynamics. And that not once did Apple use the word "flat" in their keynote. This stuff has me stoked. I went back and re-watched the keynote and the icons look like they're basically floating on the screen. You definitely saw depth between the icon and the wallpaper. And some of the animations (like in the weather app) are super cool too. My fingers are crossed that Apple can get this working right without negative impact to battery life.
My overall impression based on what I've seen/read is while there is a flatter design aesthetic ala Windows/Android, iOS 7 still has a lot of depth compared to Windows 8 which is flat as a pancake.
http://blog.mengto.com/ios-7-transition-flat/
Very very interesting article guys. Read it.
Installed the iOS7 beta on my iPod touch yesterday. It definitely feels like a completely different animal than previous versions, like it shed 500lbs of weight. The sum of the changes, overall, are generally fantastic and for the better. In many areas, it looks absolutely beautiful. Other places, it needs some refining and cleaning up (ie, the messages app looks gorgeous. News Stand, not so much). As for the icons, like anything, you get used to them, and they become irrelevant. I can't imagine the work that went into putting this together, and I think now that the pieces are there it will improve at a rapid pace.
After using the OS for a while my iPhone on iOS6 already feels still and stodgy. This one is just so much more light, alive, and animated.
But it's a drastic change, and I do feel a bid bad for Forstall when using it, as it's clear they've thrown so many thousands of hrs of design time for previous OSes in the trash. And to me- the fact that Apple was willing to do this at such a drastic level, regardless of your personal opinion of the new look, only tells me positive things about the company and their boldness moving forward.
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Originally Posted by Crowley
While I quite like lots of elements of iOS7, and have mixed feeling about others (the new icons? really?) I'm interested in how this new, very opinionated, very forthright style for iOS will work with third party apps. iOS up to now has not been without problems, but one thing it's been pretty good at is promiscuity with lots of different interfaces in apps. Developers could go out on crazy tangents with their UIs, and iOS still seemed to work with it, without jarring transitions, because the central OS had a certain plain flexibility. Flat was ok, textured was ok, 3D crazy holographic was ok, I have apps with all sorts of weird and wonderful UIs that I can flit between and not mind the differences. But with an OS that is so distinct in its design choices, is that going to make textured apps seem out of place?, Will apps that don't have the same approach to translucency and flatness stick out like a sore thumb? Especially when you pull up control center,or pull down Notification Center, and get that iOS style reminder overlaid on an app. Maybe not, maybe it'll be fine, but it'll be interesting to see.
And the even worse alternative is that all apps follow Apple's design lead and we end up with a rather bland and boring platform, where the price of consistency is that everything looks the same, which I think is a problem with Windows Phone. I think that's less likely though, the iOS development community is just as opinionated and stubborn (in a good way) as Apple
I REALLY hope that app developers dont just do ahead and drop their interface to mimick what Apple has done. That would be the worst thing ever. I don't think the current look of iOS should put pressure on them to do that- if ANYTHING, there's now less going on, and it's more "neutral". Devs should continue going crazy with their interfaces and being unique- I DON'T want all my apps transitioning to helvetica on a shitload of whitespace. I think it looks fantastic on the OS level, but will suck all the diversity and interest out of the app ecosystem.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
Well, I'm first in line of believers in the truth that Mr Forstall might have been full of shit and all skeuomorphic evil he did should now be damned and burnt down.
Sadly, I would never know the answer to the question that I've long been asking Apple:
OK, I see what small rounded rectangle icons are to the iPhone. They are just what buttons are to a phone. Got it.
What are small rounded rectangle icons to the iPad?
I know, amusing parallactic moves, which must be turning 3-4 in Android development these days, are much easier to figure out..
I have no idea what your point is. Part of the reason for iPad's success is that it shares the general same interface and apps as iPhone, and familiarity is there. Or should Apple throw this compatibility and cohesiveness in the trash, to entertain people like you?
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Installed the iOS7 beta on my iPod touch yesterday. It definitely feels like a completely different animal than previous versions, like it shed 500lbs of weight. The sum of the changes, overall, are generally fantastic and for the better. In many areas, it looks absolutely beautiful. Other places, it needs some refining and cleaning up (ie, the messages app looks gorgeous. News Stand, not so much). As for the icons, like anything, you get used to them, and they become irrelevant. I can't imagine the work that went into putting this together, and I think now that the pieces are there it will improve at a rapid pace.
After using the OS for a while my iPhone on iOS6 already feels still and stodgy. This one is just so much more light, alive, and animated.
But it's a drastic change, and I do feel a bid bad for Forstall when using it, as it's clear they've thrown so many thousands of hrs of design time for previous OSes in the trash. And to me- the fact that Apple was willing to do this at such a drastic level, regardless of your personal opinion of the new look, only tells me positive things about the company and their boldness moving forward.
Your commentary paints a very hopeful picture. The look is growing on me and I feel sets the stage for a much more consistent experience. If 10 people have an opinion about look and feel, there will be quite likely, 10 quite different opinions. However, under the hood improvements no doubt vastly exceed aesthetic changes in benefit to users.
To the people who say that IOS-7 looks nothing like windows phone should check out this link.
http://www.geek.com/apple/ios-7-looks-eerily-similar-to-2011-windows-phone-1558625/
Not trying to get bashed or anything i'm just trying to add some facts that should be considered before making a conclusion.
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Originally Posted by 2385amh
To the people who say that IOS-7 looks nothing like windows phone should check out this link.
http://www.geek.com/apple/ios-7-looks-eerily-similar-to-2011-windows-phone-1558625/
Not trying to get bashed or anything i'm just trying to add some facts that should be considered before making a conclusion.
Good god, are you touched? One card layout for multitasking and wallpaper looking similar. Keep digging kid
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Originally Posted by punkndrublic
Good god, are you touched? One card layout for multitasking and wallpaper looking similar. Keep digging kid
Uh wow when your entire new UI is basically some color changes and icons designs I would think that showing two of the biggest new features being direct copies is kinda a big deal. I guess if google has slide to unlock then it's ripping off apple, but if apple basically completely copies the entire lock screen, Dynamic/live wallpaper, and the UI for multitasking then it's no big deal right?
Please inform me on what the big changes were again? Oh that's right it was almost entirely a face lift... I guess a large percentage of that being stolen is totally alright....kid
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Originally Posted by 2385amh
To the people who say that IOS-7 looks nothing like windows phone should check out this link.
http://www.geek.com/apple/ios-7-looks-eerily-similar-to-2011-windows-phone-1558625/
Not trying to get bashed or anything i'm just trying to add some facts that should be considered before making a conclusion.
I appreciate the fact that some people feel this way, but it truly is a perceptional bias, you can see elements of IOS7 alot of different ways if you are so pre-disposed. I am a regular visitor to windows phone and BB forums and everyone is screaming that it copied their operating system. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
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Originally Posted by tookieman2013
I appreciate the fact that some people feel this way, but it truly is a perceptional bias, you can see elements of IOS7 alot of different ways if you are so pre-disposed. I am a regular visitor to windows phone and BB forums and everyone is screaming that it copied their operating system. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
I understand that to some degree but this is pretty much copy paste with tiny tweets. I just think that the level of hypocrisy around here is pretty hilarious. Oh google copied the spring back function that is a super tiny detail. Alert the presses and the wave of apple defenders swarm to AI but if apple copies entire areas of the UI they get a pass.
I had hoped Apple would have gone with a very slick and subtle toned down, but still somewhat skeuomorphic design. Instead applications seemed to have gone slavishly flat with no button cues. So that is disappointment.
But then there are the icons, that are boring and amateurish. Another disappointment.
But finally there is the color scheme. W.T.F. ? Was someone high watching kiddie cartoons when they decided to chose a new palette.
There are some nice functional improvements but the look makes me want to retch.
Why not a proper comparison instead of nonsense?
I am using an image of the iOS 7, home screen straight from Apple, and you are editing yours in photoshop and you argue about the propriety of my comparison?
The truth is the default colors as shown, are gag inducing kiddie cartoon stuff.
BTW, here is a great link having fun with the new iOS 7 palette.
Jony Ive Redesigns Things.
Apple still design from MS Metro, Android and even died Symbian...
I expect a lot of copyright claims and reduction of sales, I'll personally migrate to Sony Xperia with NFC and waterproof.
iPhone 4S with iOS6 was really the best for that time, Steve pls come back, otherwise this gay destroy your company !
The next iPhone update is due out when iOS 7 is released, around OCT-ish. Until then, there will not be any sneak peaks, which would kill Apple's great PR talents
… They gave it a standing ovation yesterday. Probably because they were more focused on the improved functionality than whether the app icons are ugly or not. :rolleyes:[/quote]
Well, the Apple employees gave a standing ovation at least. Apple staff are known to sit in the audience to be the excited attendees, cheering & standing, etc.